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When it comes to Husks, I just use Incinerate. Kills them with one shot.

When killing Husks, don't wait! Incinerate!

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Tali is an engineer as well.
I'm not seeing the problem here.

I was playing as Tali earlier when getting the avis for those Tali and Legion gifs, and damn she should be a Sentinel 'cause the girl looks awesome in Tech Armor.

EDIT: omg, I need to go get a screenshot of her in purple Tech Armor like right now.

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Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Yes and no.  While I do so love Tali, she honestly should not have Combat Drone.  No squaddie other than Shepard should.  It is the only 'unique' power that Engineers have.  Same with Adrenaline Rush, Singularity, Tactical Cloak, Tech Armor, and Charge.  That, or engineers should have gotten a different unique ability.

Tali is an engineer as well.
I'm not seeing the problem here.

By that logic, Jack should have had Charge, Grunt should have had Adreniline Rush, Miranda should have had Tech Armor, and Samara or Thane should have had singularity.  They don't, for the (quite logical and reasonable) reason Tali and Legion should not have drones: It would take away from the uniqueness of the main character in that class.

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Kikaimegami wrote...
I was playing as Tali earlier when getting the avis for those Tali and Legion gifs, and damn she should be a Sentinel 'cause the girl looks awesome in Tech Armor.

EDIT: omg, I need to go get a screenshot of her in purple Tech Armor like right now.

I beat you to the punch. Without the purple.

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Runescapeguy9 wrote...
I beat you to the punch. Without the purple.

-talitecharmorsnip-

Yeah, well!

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Kikaimegami wrote...
Yeah, well!

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Purple is so awesome on Tali :innocent:

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Tali looks awesome with Tech Armor. Of course when doesn't she ever look awesome?

Also I think its fair that Tali (and Legion) get the drone along with Shepard. Shepards drone has a cooldown of like, 3 seconds. He has a super-drone while everyone else has a regular one.

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Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Purple is so awesome on Tali :innocent:

Furthermore,

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Kikaimegami wrote...
Furthermore,
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I love you Kikai <3

Purple armor Tali is very cool.

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Runescapeguy9 wrote...

]I love you Kikai <3

Purple armor Tali is very cool.

And also,

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I AM HAVING FAR TOO MUCH FUN

MY VIDEOCARD HATES ME

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Kikaimegami wrote...
I AM HAVING FAR TOO MUCH FUN

MY VIDEOCARD HATES ME

Well too bad for your video card.
Moving on though, Tali's shields probably should be enhanced again like they were in me1. You know, being good with tech and all.

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Yeah, the characters in ME3 should have stats that fits them. Like Tali having low health, but tons of shield.

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I don't think Tali would make a good Admiral. For one, she doesn't want it (she says so herself, doesn't she?), and two, I think she's much better at hands-on stuff. Three, the Admiralty board are military; Han'Gerrel mentions having fought with Rael'Zorah before they were sent on their Pilgrimage, and Daro'Xen strikes me as being a good fit as a ruthlessly cold commander. And Tali's not cut out to be a military leader, IMO.

Again, reaching quite far back, but I think it deserves mention:

Concerning Tali's relationship with Shepard and how it would be perceived by others. While I don't think it would be quite as shocking for humans (certainly less shocking than a Shep/Garrus pairing, due to the human-turian antagonism), other races might not be quite as sympathetic, since they'd have more experience with disliking quarians than humans would. I don't think it would go over very well with the Fleet either, simply because it would mean that Tali would never have children. Quarians are a pretty minority race as of ME2, and they need to keep up their population. Especially if there is war coming (whether with the geth or with the Reapers). I don't think short-term relationships with other races are frowned upon by quarian society, but something long-term? Might cause some tension.

I also don't think that the relationships in ME2 are specifically designed to be unworkable. Sure, they have their own share of ingrained conflict, some more than others, but that doesn't mean they're irrevocably doomed. It just means they need extra TLC. As long as Shepard indicates that he/she wants the relationship to work out, I don't see why the game would forcibly break it off in ME3. That would just cause unnecessary drama and resentment.

Oh, and a random comment in passing, since I also remember this: krogan-asari doesn't seem to be all that uncommon, since Aethyta also had a krogan father.

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Call it a hunch, I don't see her relationship with Kal being much different than her relationship with Shep. Dashing military leader fights to keep her alive, maybe you are correct and the conversations between the two are simply polite, but I think there is a mutual shyness between the two. If Shep chooses not to Romance Tali I think she ends up with Kal, maybe more of a gut feeling than anything else.


Even as someone who thinks this pairing could work, I have to disagree on that one. There's no mutual shyness there. Kal hesitates a little before he admits that he's there to defend Tali on her trial, and that's it. While it could be interpreted as a hint on his side, there's nothing to indicate that Tali likes him more than a potential friend, as of ME2. Doesn't mean it can't change in ME3, and I wouldn't mind it, but people don't like this being brought up around here.

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"Bringing active geth to the fleet? Me? Nah, don't know what you're talking about."

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Would of posted sooner but Firefox was getting all update glitch happy on me there. So heres what I was gonna say on her Drone.

On one hand I don't think she should have a Shep-class skill just because of the 'unique' power thing (ignoring Liara got Singularity) but at the same time I also think she should have a drone, and should keep the skill in ME2. Besides Tali being, you know Tali and thus awesome, the fact SHES the character (my favorite) having the 2 BG2 refrenses made me stupid happy for some reason.

Go for the Optics Chik'tikka! (Minsc and boo) and just naming her Drone Chik'tikka Vas Paws (Chiktikka Fastpaws, Aerie) makes me smile, everytime. It's also why I make her drone a combat drone, not because of dmg protential or surviability but simply because if she spent the time naming it I figure it might as well be more of a full functioning Drone. Not something designed to play suicide bomber.

As for having higher shields then everyone else I was kind of disapointed that wasn't in her passive, but I think Energy drain was Biowares way of getting that in, sort of. Still seems kinda iffy, not sure why Mordin gets crazy shields and Tali doesn't seems backwards a biologist getting it and not the tech engineer but...whatever. Legion though - no idea why he has a drone. That one seems kinda out of place. Overload and AI would make a bit more sense I'd imagine, or Cryo and AI Hacking. Drone though just seems odd, I don't think ANY geth uses a drone.

Anyways guess my point is I feel more like Shep Engineer should have a different unique ability instead of Tali not getting a Drone. No idea what that would be though, or how ordering any of it would work out.

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Anyways guess my point is I feel more like Shep Engineer should have a different unique ability instead of Tali not getting a Drone. No idea what that would be though, or how ordering any of it would work out.

This is how I feel. Chiktikka is Tali's thing <3
Also, agreed about the drone for Legion. It just seems a bit weird that a geth would use a drone for something they could probably do better themselves. Oh well. I rarely ever use him anyway.

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Yeah exactly, course if Drone was made into a universal Engineer skill that would mean Sentinel or Infiltrator would get the Drone too instead of one of there abilities. Personally I think a higher duration version for Infiltrator would make sense. Distraction over -HAHAH FIRE FIRE- just seems like it would also fit.

But they did want the Engineer being the 'pet class' which makes sense, would be nice to have one in there. Drones a tad weak to really have it be that though. Need Tali to make that a reality which the other classes don't. Oh well, in the end I don't mind sharing Tali's Drone skill (see what I did there? =P).

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Oh well, in the end I don't mind sharing Tali's Drone skill (see what I did there? =P).

Indeed.

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I was also bummed that Tali's shields weren't epic in ME2 like they were in ME1. I always dumped stats into shielding for both Tali and Garrus in ME1. Garrus makes the best tank in the whole game if you level him right. On a level with Wrex IMO. I actually used Tali as a frontline fighter a lot since she had epic shields and a shotgun. It's a little harder to do that in ME2. And I like her drone. It works great in concert with an infiltrator. Her drone distracts whatever and then I can cloak and attack. It's especially nice when fighting heavy mechs as it gets them to turn around for a few vital seconds. I have never finished ME2 with an engineer, but I am working on a dudeshep engineer right now who will romance Tali. I'm eager to see how that turns out. I think AI hacking is useless in both games. Geth die too quickly to bother hacking them.

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I was also bummed that Tali's shields weren't epic in ME2 like they were in ME1. I always dumped stats into shielding for both Tali and Garrus in ME1. Garrus makes the best tank in the whole game if you level him right. On a level with Wrex IMO. I actually used Tali as a frontline fighter a lot since she had epic shields and a shotgun. It's a little harder to do that in ME2. And I like her drone. It works great in concert with an infiltrator. Her drone distracts whatever and then I can cloak and attack. It's especially nice when fighting heavy mechs as it gets them to turn around for a few vital seconds. I have never finished ME2 with an engineer, but I am working on a dudeshep engineer right now who will romance Tali. I'm eager to see how that turns out. I think AI hacking is useless in both games. Geth die too quickly to bother hacking them.

Yeah they should have kept the awesome shields with Tali. Not sure about the Garrus situation though. I more or less ignored him in the first game after he joined up. Combat drone, as I have probably said about 20 times today, is an absolute godsend on upper difficulties. But really, I can't be the only person who thought AI hacking was ok, can I? :(

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Well, I also just have an aversion to abilities that don't actually do damage or add some kind of direct combat advantage (barrier, cloak, etc.) I don't like stuff that just disables or is mostly a distraction. The drone actually does some damage plus I have always liked summoning and/or animal companions and that kind of thing and the drone is sort of like that. I've never been inclined to use AI hacking much because I was always kind of "meh" on the very idea of it. If I tried it and it had been immediately awesome I might have done more with it.



And to address something further up, I don't think the quarians would be horribly distraught at Tali being with Shep. Shep has potentially done more for the quarians than just about any outsider ever (sent geth data back with Tali, saved Alerei, and all kinds of little things like helping Ken and Lia and that random quarian on an uncharted world.) Qurians are communal. They are going to hear the name "Shepard" constantly coming up in scenarios that helped them out. The quarians have a tremendous amount of respect for Shepard since he defeated Saren and the geth. They seem one of the few races who actually believe the Reapers are coming. And a Tali/Shepard relationship could do wonders towards presenting quarian concerns towards the rest of the galaxy. I think Tali never having a kid might be a sacrifice lots of quarians are willing to make in this case. Not saying all of them would be fine with it, but I think they would be more open to it than the average turian would be to Garrus/Shep. I'm sure most humans would be appalled however given that quarians are considered beggars and thieves. I think the human reaction would be about the same with either Garrus or Tali.

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Ignore this post.  It is an imposter.  Here have some Tali instead.  This picture makes me sad.  And Tali's arm is too small in it.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...



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Informative.

And I agree with your previous post. It isn't such a big deal with all the positive thing it brings to the table.

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I think the biggest problem with A.I. hacking is that on higher difficulties, whatever you hacked is just going to get shredded in seconds, and on lower difficulties, by the time you kill all the enemy's the hacked drone turns back on you. Plus the shields have to be down to use it. It just seems easier to kill the enemy right then and there.
Tali should have been given a shield boosting ability instead.

(Adendum: I sware this thread can be completely silent for a half an hour then as soon as I try to post something 3 or 4 people beat me too it. Strange cycles in the Tali thread.)

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