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 Yea, my first post got eaten and wouldn't show up which made  me wonder if I had forgotten to press submit.  So I posted that and then they both popped up for some reason and I stuck some Tali art in there to keep it from being a waste of space.  And to that end, here is some more so this post isn't purely spam:
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(Adendum: I sware this thread can be completely silent for a half an hour then as soon as I try to post something 3 or 4 people beat me too it. Strange cycles in the Tali thread.)

This is absolutely dead compared to how it used to be. Oh well. Gives me more time to sketch Tali.
Edit: If you didn't like that flower one there is no way you would like mine.

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I never come and post in the Tali thread (I like lurking, my bad :D)

Glad to see the thread's still alive. Sadly, I have nothing tali-like to post. D:

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Indeed. I used to lurk in the past few Tali forums for art and short stories. Never posted though. 10,000 pages was quite impressive.

Its probably for the best, the more noticeable your thread is the more likely its going to be attacked.

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Alexine wrote...

I never come and post in the Tali thread (I like lurking, my bad :D)
Glad to see the thread's still alive. Sadly, I have nothing tali-like to post. D:

While the support is appreciated, we really need to keep the off topicness down. If you want to contribute sometime, take a picture from here and pop one in every once in a while.

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I think with a slower thread you can count on more buy in from various Garrus fangirls. Lots of us love Tali, but the speed of the old thread scared the crap out of me. Don't know if us here is a good thing or not, but new opinions and more Tali love wouldn't hurt I hope.

And to keep this OT, I will address something else that was talked about earlier. I don't think Tali would make a good Admiral. She has a tendency to...well, be aggressive instead of diplomatic when her opinion is challenged. Granted lots of times she has good reason to be aggressive like when she told Prazza down. He was being an idiot there and Tali was right to want to have two teams, but still sometimes a good leader has to know when to not strong-arm and be more manipulative or else coercive. I don't know that Tali has that in her.

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Agreed. Tali would not be a good admiral. I love her beyond all time but leadership is not one of her qualities.

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I would agree that Tali wouldn't make the best admiral. But even is she would, she could probably do more good on Shepards team. If you paragon the Tali/Legion conflict, she basically begins sewing the seeds of peace between the two races.

What could she possibly accomplish as an admiral better then that? I think she needs to be a diplomat before anything else.

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I don't think Tali could make a good admiral either. However, we can't make a complete analysis until ME3 comes out. Who knows, maybe Tali's character would develop further in ME3?


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Alexine wrote...

I don't think Tali could make a good admiral either. However, we can't make a complete analysis until ME3 comes out. Who knows, maybe Tali's character would develop further in ME3?


This is true but she does have some small places where she is put in a leadership position in ME2.  Granted the quarians probably didn't figure she would run into a bunch of rogue mechs or the geth.  And as was said earlier in the thread there are lots of different types of leaders.  Ken and Gabby refer to Tali as their "boss" and things seem to be going pretty well down in engineering.  Tali would make a great head of an engineering or research team.  I just don't think she would be a good politician or a good squad leader in combat.

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I think the reason why she doesn't have really much leadership skills is her background. I mean, she probably has friends in the Flotilla, but she talked about how the rest of the quarians would treat her differently due to the fact that she's Rael'Zorah daughter. I would also assume that the quarians would further distance themselves (more like respect and awe) from Tali as she is one of the people who defeated Saren along with Shepard. Tali never had that chance to really learn leadership skills properly until after the Normandy was lost. Even then, her main leadership roles were mainly leading scientists or research teams, as it is her expertise and a good way to build up her leadership skills.

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I totally think the main reason Tali got such a bump up in standing post ME1 is because she helped defeat the geth and possibly brought back that geth data. It's sort of like how generals or famous actors sometimes end up as politicians. People recognize them and thus want to stick them in leadership roles for some reason even if their skills are really better suited for something else. And to be fair, I really don't think they anticipated her having to lead people in combat. I mean going to pick up Veetor from some backwater colony hardly has "epic fight" written all over it. Now the Haestrom mission was kind of fishy, but even Tali herself says that.



And a random side note, do quarians have claws? Sort of like turians but perhaps smaller? Somehow I don't picture them with fingernails.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
And a random side note, do quarians have claws? Sort of like turians but perhaps smaller? Somehow I don't picture them with fingernails.

It is the general consensus that quarians evolved out of a predatory stature, so yes.
I may happen to disagree with this, but eh. Whatever.
Also, just off of DA:

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TheodoricFriede wrote...

I think the biggest problem with A.I. hacking is that on higher difficulties, whatever you hacked is just going to get shredded in seconds, and on lower difficulties, by the time you kill all the enemy's the hacked drone turns back on you. Plus the shields have to be down to use it. It just seems easier to kill the enemy right then and there.
Tali should have been given a shield boosting ability instead.


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But yeah, I didn't get any use out of AI hacking in either ME1 or ME2. I only used it in ME1 to get the achievement for it.

Again, concerning the reaction to Tali/Shepard, it probably also depends on how you behave during the trial. If you encourage the quarians to go to war with the geth, and it ends up having disastrous consequences, Shepard's influence is going to take a hit. But yeah, it's true that Tali having a relationship with Shepard specifically might go over better than her just running off with some random alien. I was thinking more along general lines, that quarians may not encourage long-term relationships with other species because it means less quarian children. It's true though, that turian reactions at Garrus/Shep would be a LOT more disapproving. Especially if it's a Renegade Shep.

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I totally think the main reason Tali got such a bump up in standing post ME1 is because she helped defeat the geth and possibly brought back that geth data. It's sort of like how generals or famous actors sometimes end up as politicians. People recognize them and thus want to stick them in leadership roles for some reason even if their skills are really better suited for something else.


I think it's also got a lot to do with the fact that she's an Admiral's daughter. She does say in ME1 that great things are expected of her already. Defeating Saren and the geth is just lots of icing on the cake.

As for claws...quarians don't actually strike me as predators (what with the weak immune systems), so no, I don't think they have them. Their fingertips look a lot more rounded than turian ones, at least.

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As for claws...quarians don't actually strike me as predators (what with the weak immune systems), so no, I don't think they have them. Their fingertips look a lot more rounded than turian ones, at least.

You should read riptide's theories on this. I thought they were in his blog but apparently they are not. Interesting...
Edit: Also, for eyesight, check this to answer any questions you may have.

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Runescapeguy9 wrote...

You should read riptide's theories on this. I thought they were in his blog but apparently they are not. Interesting...
Edit: Also, for eyesight, check this to answer any questions you may have.


Yeah, I've already seen that post about eyesight already. Very interesting. Would also be interesting to see those evolutionary theories.

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Nilfalasiel wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

You should read riptide's theories on this. I thought they were in his blog but apparently they are not. Interesting...
Edit: Also, for eyesight, check this to answer any questions you may have.


Yeah, I've already seen that post about eyesight already. Very interesting. Would also be interesting to see those evolutionary theories.

I doubt BioWare will ever go into such detail to explain the things, but it would be really nice.

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Bioware should totally be reading some of the fan ideas on worldbuilding. I have read some really excellent, plausible, and interesting stuff.

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I really don't think Tali is a bad leader. She is just a horrible leader compared to someone like Shepard or Garrus who are natural born leaders.



She is a better leader than Zaeed anyway.

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mrsph wrote...

She is a better leader than Zaeed anyway.


We can all agree on that one.

Then again, it's really not hard to be a better leader than Zaeed.

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I really don't think Tali is a bad leader. She is just a horrible leader compared to someone like Shepard or Garrus who are natural born leaders.

She is a better leader than Zaeed anyway.


True.  I think she is better than lots of other people out there.  I still don't think she would make a good admiral, at least not right now.

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I'm using Stasis instead of AI Hacking. Quite effective against heavy mechs, since it knocks them on their asses after it disappears.

And I don't mind if Tali is not a good leader. She compensates for it in so many other ways. She should get a better shield boost in ME3, though. When she got the Colossus armor in ME1, I never had to worry about her going down again, because she had so much shield points and fast recharge, the geth didn't stand a chance.

Also, she and the rest of the squad should be able to perform melee attacks, because I can't remember how often they accidentally ran into an enemy and were downed the second after, because they can't hit them with their weapon or something. And it looks silly.

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True.  I think she is better than lots of other people out there.  I still don't think she would make a good admiral, at least not right now.


Yeah, I agree with her being a poor choice for an admiral. She is just too young and inexperienced to be in charge of an entire species decisions.

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She may know what's good for the fleet, but an admiral has to be more than that.

And her current position isn't exactly helping. Cleaning and maintaining engines on a ship is pretty much what any quarian does for a living.

Not to mention the politics where she would most likely have to make difficult decisions at some point which could affect the fleet in many ways.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Not to mention the politics where she would most likely have to make difficult decisions at some point which could affect the fleets in many ways.


Considering how difficult it is for her to write a letter of condolences for casualties that weren't even her fault, she'd probably have an excruciatingly hard time trying to make life-or-death decisions at that level.