ORLy, cuz Virmire doesn't count. since you're just meeting up with her if she's with the Salarians and getting her back to the ship after she's wounded if she's with the bomb. She's also holdingher own against the Geth on Eden prime when she joins up with Shepard on Eden Prime and it's assumed she fights her way to shepard on Horizon.mrsph wrote...
I recall saving Ashley three times.
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ADLegend21 wrote...
ORLy, cuz Virmire doesn't count. since you're just meeting up with her if she's with the Salarians and getting her back to the ship after she's wounded if she's with the bomb. She's also holdingher own against the Geth on Eden prime when she joins up with Shepard on Eden Prime and it's assumed she fights her way to shepard on Horizon.mrsph wrote...
I recall saving Ashley three times.
Modifié par mrsph, 16 mai 2011 - 04:52 .
I don't care how detailed a story of a human with wings is, we don't have them and adding them in because it would be 'cool' halfway in the story would be stupid as all hell. That said my snipping of your extremely long quote makes this look off topic and what I have wanted to say has already been said so I am done with it.Goat_Shepard wrote...
So Rune, you don't have to leave
evidence I don't like? I'm quite please with it. When she's with the bomb she's fending off a Geth dropship. alone. With no anti-air weapons Asualt Rifle, Shotgun, Pistol, and Sniper rifle and maybe some grenades. When she's with the salarians, she's STILL fending off said Drop ship and Geth with a team of STG members. Damsel's don't go out like badasses. Tali threw a grenade and rolled into cover and did nothing while Shepard killed said Mercs with Ashley/Kaidan/Garrus/Wrex. Anyone that's not an infant can throw grenades well but "you've seen what I can do in the alley commander" was enough to get Udina to put he on my crew. Now if she'd busted out a shotgun and pumped some suckers full of high velocity lead slugs THEN I'd be impressed. Gameplay wise she's awesome and versatile so there's that. She couldn't keep her team in line on Freedoms Progress and they betray her not 1 minute after she agrees to work with Shepard, Jacob, and Miranda. I won't begrudge her getting her team killed in Geth space, when she was the only one important on that mission anyway. I'll be waiting for your return.mrsph wrote...
ADLegend21 wrote...
ORLy, cuz Virmire doesn't count. since you're just meeting up with her if she's with the Salarians and getting her back to the ship after she's wounded if she's with the bomb. She's also holdingher own against the Geth on Eden prime when she joins up with Shepard on Eden Prime and it's assumed she fights her way to shepard on Horizon.mrsph wrote...
I recall saving Ashley three times.
Sounds pretty damsel in distressy to me.
Or are we just ignoring evidence we don't like?
And Tali held her own against the mercs on the citadel and the geth on Haestrom, you know
edit:Meh, I got work in the morn, I'll argue this later.
People are going to argue that their version of her face is correct anyway. Better to have a 'real' one, in my opinion.DrRedrum wrote...
That picture made me realize, no matter what Bioware reveals to be Tali's face, people are going to argue over it, right down to the Eye color (In this case, purple). "It can't happen because the reflecting light would be much darker" or whatever.
I am starting to think that Tali may be an experience the "Blank Canvas" effect a little too much. The only way we will all be slightly satisfied is if they don't do it all.
wait...I'd LOVE some wings on my back. GRanted putting on a shirt would be difficult, but I'd save hundreds sinceI wouldn't need my car anymore and could fly whereever the hell I wanted. (provided I wasn't abducted and taken to a lab for tests or hit by a plane, or shot down by the national guard.) Just thought I'd put this here....IGNORE ME!Runescapeguy9 wrote...
I don't care how detailed a story of a human with wings is, we don't have them and adding them in because it would be 'cool' halfway in the story would be stupid as all hell. That said my snipping of your extremely long quote makes this look off topic and what I have wanted to say has already been said so I am done with it.Goat_Shepard wrote...
So Rune, you don't have to leave
DrRedrum wrote...
That picture made me realize, no matter what Bioware reveals to be Tali's face, people are going to argue over it, right down to the Eye color (In this case, purple). "It can't happen because the reflecting light would be much darker" or whatever.
I am starting to think that Tali may be an experience the "Blank Canvas" effect a little too much. The only way we will all be slightly satisfied is if they don't do it all.
Wow. Nothing you just said makes ANY sense.Siansonea II wrote...
What I don't understand is why it's so important to some players to preserve a character's exclusive heterosexuality—whatever that means when dealing with aliens who may or may not have the same gender equivalents as humans. I’m not saying I advocate expanding Tali to express or be receptive to same-sex interest in Shepard, but I am very curious why there is such strenuous objection to it.
It's not like the existing MaleShep/Tali or FemShep/Garrus romances would be affected in any way, it would simply allow more players to experience a deeper connection with those characters. Some players might not like playing as MaleShep, but would love to get to know Tali on a deeper level, and the same goes for players who only like playing as MaleShep and want to romance Garrus.
These two characters have already crossed a significant threshold by pursuing a relationship with an alien. And not even a somewhat "compatible" alien like an asari, but a human, a levo-chiral alien with no asari-like abilities to make reproduction at least somewhat of an option. So it’s clearly a relationship that is for it’s own sake, rather than for the purposes of starting a family.
Tali, by pursuing Shepard, is basically taking herself out of the quarian gene pool anyway, so why should Shepard's gender matter? Do quarians even have the same ideas about gender as modern-day real-world humans? I'm not saying they do or don't, but it's something to think about.
Maybe I don't suspend disbelief as readily as some, but for me, crossing species lines is much, MUCH bigger than crossing gender lines. I think it's a huge leap to have sex with an alien, especially a non-asari alien, and especially when they're of the opposite amino chirality. Asari at least have the natural biotic field that allows them to mate with other species, sometimes without any actual physical contact, but such options are not available to a human-quarian or human-turian pairing. And as little as we know about these two species, there's no guarantee that any sort of mutually-satisfying interaction is possible without the aid of specialized apparatus or other types of stimulation. That being the case, how is gender any more of a complication than the difference in species?
Again, not trying to say that I’m strongly advocating for or against expanding Tali to express or be receptive to same-sex interest in Shepard.
Modifié par Quole, 16 mai 2011 - 05:37 .
I think what Sian is saying is along what I was saying. She suddenly falls in love with a dead man, but oh she fell for you back when she was just elling you about her people, that's already incositent.Volrath937 wrote...
@Sian: Consistency in characterization is something to strive for. Otherwise the story feels cheap and hamfisted, which is bad. Quarians follow human sexual dimorphism (externally anyway) more or less, which is why I find a female quarian attractive, but not a male one.
@Rune: Good to see a holdout among us, heh.
@Keeper: That picture is pretty off the mark on all counts. And I'm fairly sure some of it is traced.
Modifié par Volrath937, 16 mai 2011 - 05:35 .
I see your point, but she doesn't develop a crush on Male Shepard, jsut Shepard. it's not "oh you're such a manly man, I must have you" it's "you're Shepard, savior of the galaxy, Hero of the Citadel, accolades blah blah blah" I can understand her bucking of femshep as her nervousness of her first time with a female and her Dossier as her wanting to study up on how two females should have sexual interaction, at least by human standards, since it's different than Male and Female sexual intercourse. I've done it in ym story with femshep and ash where Ash took her time and studied up before going for it so Tali can do the same in ME3. Plus she doesn't have to worry about being injected with possibly fatal bodily fluids from femshep like she does with Male Shep.Volrath937 wrote...
@AD: She developed a crush on male Shepard during ME1, he died. He comes back, they meet again, her feelings rekindle and grow over the course of the game. We don't really see it slowly grow due to the way budgeting resources works, but it's one of those things you have to take on faith. Like with every other LI.
Inconsistent is going through the events of ME2 with a female Shepard, ending their dialogue with no romantic implications, then having a presto-chango turn of heart in ME3 because...something something something.
Artists are not immune to criticism. Anatomically, it's all over the place, just look at it.
Quole wrote...
Wait is the dossier even implied to be referring to Shepard if Shepard is female?
Quole wrote...
Really? I never noticed. Do you have link by chance?
Dont worry about it, I just read it on the wiki.SilentNukee wrote...
Quole wrote...
Really? I never noticed. Do you have link by chance?
Hm, I guess I could take a pic of it from my other monitor. (I play ME on 360 on a monitor... <.<) Thing is, the boyfriend is currently playing Arkham Asylum. ._. I'll try to find and post it as soon as he's done though.
ADLegend21 wrote...
I think what Sian is saying is along what I was saying. She suddenly falls in love with a dead man, but oh she fell for you back when she was just elling you about her people, that's already incositent.Volrath937 wrote...
@Sian: Consistency in characterization is something to strive for. Otherwise the story feels cheap and hamfisted, which is bad. Quarians follow human sexual dimorphism (externally anyway) more or less, which is why I find a female quarian attractive, but not a male one.
@Rune: Good to see a holdout among us, heh.
@Keeper: That picture is pretty off the mark on all counts. And I'm fairly sure some of it is traced.
also I doubt the artist would appreciate you dissing her work since it's challening enough to draw Tali or any squaddie for that matter.
She joins the fight, and yes, she uses her shotgun. Udina likes her tech skills too, she obtained the evidence from a geth's memory core.ADLegend21 wrote...
Tali threw a grenade and rolled into cover and did nothing while Shepard killed said Mercs with Ashley/Kaidan/Garrus/Wrex. Anyone that's not an infant can throw grenades well but "you've seen what I can do in the alley commander" was enough to get Udina to put he on my crew. Now if she'd busted out a shotgun and pumped some suckers full of high velocity lead slugs THEN I'd be impressed.
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