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[ADLegend21]

Volrath937 wrote...

@AD: She does, actually. Liara makes note of it in LotSB. For male Shepard's only. Like the romance. There is nothing to support anything else except dialogue that cannot be accessed in-game.

Okay, see, that's all conjecture. Which is nice sometimes, and with this news of homosexual LIs being implemented in lieu of focusing on the existing ones, it's worth discussing. But as it stands, the most female Shepard's can get right now is a good, trusting friendship. Until ME3, in which case they might invent all sorts of things to justify holding onto romantic feelings all throughout a suicide mission instead of expressing them during a big, emotional conversation where Tali admits she trusts Shepard as much as it's possible for a quarian to trust someone.

can't be accessed in game? seems accessed here. Link.
 Her dossier betrays your "Male only" designation as my femshep would gladly question her about her human fetish involving her if she could. but alas they don't have that option since Va's that aren't Shepard don't get brought back in for DLC.

[Quole]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Volrath937 wrote...

@AD: She does, actually. Liara makes note of it in LotSB. For male Shepard's only. Like the romance. There is nothing to support anything else except dialogue that cannot be accessed in-game.

Okay, see, that's all conjecture. Which is nice sometimes, and with this news of homosexual LIs being implemented in lieu of focusing on the existing ones, it's worth discussing. But as it stands, the most female Shepard's can get right now is a good, trusting friendship. Until ME3, in which case they might invent all sorts of things to justify holding onto romantic feelings all throughout a suicide mission instead of expressing them during a big, emotional conversation where Tali admits she trusts Shepard as much as it's possible for a quarian to trust someone.

can't be accessed in game? seems accessed here. Link.
 Her dossier betrays your "Male only" designation as my femshep would gladly question her about her human fetish involving her if she could. but alas they don't have that option since Va's that aren't Shepard don't get brought back in for DLC.

Whats said in the dossier is completely open to interpretation. All it shows is that Tali likes humans. She COULD be referring to shepard, but theres no confirmation.
Also, that link is something that only occurs if you use mods, meaning it isnt canon.

Modifié par Quole, 16 mai 2011 - 06:03 .

[ADLegend21]

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Volrath937 wrote...

@AD: She does, actually. Liara makes note of it in LotSB. For male Shepard's only. Like the romance. There is nothing to support anything else except dialogue that cannot be accessed in-game.

Okay, see, that's all conjecture. Which is nice sometimes, and with this news of homosexual LIs being implemented in lieu of focusing on the existing ones, it's worth discussing. But as it stands, the most female Shepard's can get right now is a good, trusting friendship. Until ME3, in which case they might invent all sorts of things to justify holding onto romantic feelings all throughout a suicide mission instead of expressing them during a big, emotional conversation where Tali admits she trusts Shepard as much as it's possible for a quarian to trust someone.

can't be accessed in game? seems accessed here. Link.
 Her dossier betrays your "Male only" designation as my femshep would gladly question her about her human fetish involving her if she could. but alas they don't have that option since Va's that aren't Shepard don't get brought back in for DLC.

Whats said in the dossier is completely open to interpretation. All it shows is that Tali likes humans. She COULD be referring to shepard, but theres no confirmation.
Also, that link is something that only occurs if you use mods, meaning it isnt canon.

Seems canon cuz Bioware put it in there. Anythign that happens in game is canon Modds or not. Bioware took the time to record the dialogue soit's canon alright. Tali seemedto think ti was canon too.

[Quole]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Volrath937 wrote...

@AD: She does, actually. Liara makes note of it in LotSB. For male Shepard's only. Like the romance. There is nothing to support anything else except dialogue that cannot be accessed in-game.

Okay, see, that's all conjecture. Which is nice sometimes, and with this news of homosexual LIs being implemented in lieu of focusing on the existing ones, it's worth discussing. But as it stands, the most female Shepard's can get right now is a good, trusting friendship. Until ME3, in which case they might invent all sorts of things to justify holding onto romantic feelings all throughout a suicide mission instead of expressing them during a big, emotional conversation where Tali admits she trusts Shepard as much as it's possible for a quarian to trust someone.

can't be accessed in game? seems accessed here. Link.
 Her dossier betrays your "Male only" designation as my femshep would gladly question her about her human fetish involving her if she could. but alas they don't have that option since Va's that aren't Shepard don't get brought back in for DLC.

Whats said in the dossier is completely open to interpretation. All it shows is that Tali likes humans. She COULD be referring to shepard, but theres no confirmation.
Also, that link is something that only occurs if you use mods, meaning it isnt canon.

Seems canon cuz Bioware put it in there. Anythign that happens in game is canon Modds or not. Bioware took the time to record the dialogue soit's canon alright. Tali seemedto think ti was canon too.

Bioware also put in dialogue for an argument between grunt and Mordin. This was never implemented in the game, but you can still hear the dialogue on youtube. By your logic, Mordin and Grunt DID have an argument that shepard had to use persuasion to stop, even though it never actually happened.

[Volrath937]

@AD: Uh huh, and to trigger that dialogue, Tali must be romanced. Which female Shepards can't do.

The dossier is open to personal interpretation, which is has been since the DLC was released and no triggers were implemented in which ones of Tali's appear. So assume what you want, can't really prove anything.

@Quole: Bingo.

[ADLegend21]

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Volrath937 wrote...

@AD: She does, actually. Liara makes note of it in LotSB. For male Shepard's only. Like the romance. There is nothing to support anything else except dialogue that cannot be accessed in-game.

Okay, see, that's all conjecture. Which is nice sometimes, and with this news of homosexual LIs being implemented in lieu of focusing on the existing ones, it's worth discussing. But as it stands, the most female Shepard's can get right now is a good, trusting friendship. Until ME3, in which case they might invent all sorts of things to justify holding onto romantic feelings all throughout a suicide mission instead of expressing them during a big, emotional conversation where Tali admits she trusts Shepard as much as it's possible for a quarian to trust someone.

can't be accessed in game? seems accessed here. Link.
 Her dossier betrays your "Male only" designation as my femshep would gladly question her about her human fetish involving her if she could. but alas they don't have that option since Va's that aren't Shepard don't get brought back in for DLC.

Whats said in the dossier is completely open to interpretation. All it shows is that Tali likes humans. She COULD be referring to shepard, but theres no confirmation.
Also, that link is something that only occurs if you use mods, meaning it isnt canon.

Seems canon cuz Bioware put it in there. Anythign that happens in game is canon Modds or not. Bioware took the time to record the dialogue soit's canon alright. Tali seemedto think ti was canon too.

Bioware also put in dialogue for an argument between grunt and Mordin. This was never implemented in the game, but you can still hear the dialogue on youtube. By your logic, Mordin and Grunt DID have an argument that shepard had to use persuasion to stop, even though it never actually happened.

Actually that's just audio, this on the other hand was animated with movements since Bioware realized that femshep players were modding their files to romance the Maleshep LI's and accomodated us because, look at thiiiiiiiis they can continue or even restart said romances in the next game!!!! Oh that Bioware, they think of everything.

[ADLegend21]

Volrath937 wrote...

@AD: Uh huh, and to trigger that dialogue, Tali must be romanced. Which female Shepards can't do.

The dossier is open to personal interpretation, which is has been since the DLC was released and no triggers were implemented in which ones of Tali's appear. So assume what you want, can't really prove anything.

@Quole: Bingo.

And i was accused of ignoring evidence I didn't like. talis ays suit sharing is about trust nd who is the ONLY human on the ship Tali trusts like that? quick guess, they aren't anyone ranked lower than commanding officer of the Normandy.

[Quole]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Volrath937 wrote...

@AD: She does, actually. Liara makes note of it in LotSB. For male Shepard's only. Like the romance. There is nothing to support anything else except dialogue that cannot be accessed in-game.

Okay, see, that's all conjecture. Which is nice sometimes, and with this news of homosexual LIs being implemented in lieu of focusing on the existing ones, it's worth discussing. But as it stands, the most female Shepard's can get right now is a good, trusting friendship. Until ME3, in which case they might invent all sorts of things to justify holding onto romantic feelings all throughout a suicide mission instead of expressing them during a big, emotional conversation where Tali admits she trusts Shepard as much as it's possible for a quarian to trust someone.

can't be accessed in game? seems accessed here. Link.
 Her dossier betrays your "Male only" designation as my femshep would gladly question her about her human fetish involving her if she could. but alas they don't have that option since Va's that aren't Shepard don't get brought back in for DLC.

Whats said in the dossier is completely open to interpretation. All it shows is that Tali likes humans. She COULD be referring to shepard, but theres no confirmation.
Also, that link is something that only occurs if you use mods, meaning it isnt canon.

Seems canon cuz Bioware put it in there. Anythign that happens in game is canon Modds or not. Bioware took the time to record the dialogue soit's canon alright. Tali seemedto think ti was canon too.

Bioware also put in dialogue for an argument between grunt and Mordin. This was never implemented in the game, but you can still hear the dialogue on youtube. By your logic, Mordin and Grunt DID have an argument that shepard had to use persuasion to stop, even though it never actually happened.

Actually that's just audio, this on the other hand was animated with movements since Bioware realized that femshep players were modding their files to romance the Maleshep LI's and accomodated us because, look at thiiiiiiiis they can continue or even restart said romances in the next game!!!! Oh that Bioware, they think of everything.

1. She still uses the same exact animated movement as male shepard. Besides, even if she didnt it wouldnt make a difference because...


2. It wasnt implemented in the game, and so its not canon.

BTW: Ur doing a good job trolling, I like to think I taught you well.

[ADLegend21]

[quote]Quole wrote...
Actually that's just audio, this on the other hand was animated with movements since Bioware realized that femshep players were modding their files to romance the Maleshep LI's and accomodated us because, look at thiiiiiiiis they can continue or even restart said romances in the next game!!!! Oh that Bioware, they think of everything.[/quote]

1. She still uses the same exact animated movement as male shepard. Besides, even if she didnt it wouldnt make a difference because...


2. It wasnt implemented in the game, and so its not canon.

BTW: Ur doing a good job trolling, I like to think I taught you well.

[/quote]
glad you admit to trolling during serious discussion. reported.

[Quole]

The fact is; unless Tali actually says that she feels that way about femshep, its all interpretation.

[Quole]

ADLegend21 wrote...



glad you admit to trolling during serious discussion. reported.

I have done no such thing. You have been reported for accusing me of doing such a horendous thing. I hope you are proud of yourself, because I am offended.

Modifié par Quole, 16 mai 2011 - 06:24 .

[conglomerator]

I've been out of the Tali/ME3 loop for a long time, so can someone please answer one simple question... Has Tali been confirmed for ME3?

[Gust4v]

conglomerator wrote...

I've been out of the Tali/ME3 loop for a long time, so can someone please answer one simple question... Has Tali been confirmed for ME3?

Yes, as a full-time squad member.

Edit: Hmm, this page doesn't have a pic.

Modifié par Gust4v, 16 mai 2011 - 10:26 .

[conglomerator]

WOOT! :happy::wub: 

[Troodon80]

[quote]Someone With Mass wrote...

So, there's been many tweets lately about new romances in ME3 from Casey and the like.

Would you like if Tali is bi in ME3?[/quote]
I'm just gonna parrot what's been said already:

[quote]mikethor007 wrote...

To put it plainly and bluntly:

NO
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[quote]jacobOriley wrote...

Throwing all intelligent caution to the wind......NO. I said it and that's all I'm going to say (I think.....)
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[quote]Runescapeguy9 wrote...

No.

And to make my post not seem so short and to the point;

*Snip*
[/quote]

[quote]Goat_Shepard wrote...

You know as well as I do that that's not the point. To use a metaphor, instead of Garrus laughing at my "you were always ugly" jokes, he'll say "I hear some men find facial scars attractive". The bro-hug is now going to be awkward. I don't have a problem with homosexuals, I have a problem with straight characters turned bisexual to pander.
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[quote]Volrath937 wrote...

She follows the exact same relationship path with male and female Shepards up until the point where it advances into romantic territory with males. And that they had the dialogue for a lesbian Shepard to continue into the romance with her, and yet knowingly removed it from accessible gameplay. So, it seems a fair bet to say she wasn't intended to be gay in ME2.
[/quote]

[quote]FsDxRAGE wrote...

It seems like "all of a sudden I am bi" would be inconsistent with the character's writing.....
[/quote]
I hope this isn't the case, I'd prefer to have a consistent character. They've done so well with most of the characters, but Tali especially, so far.

[quote]Collider wrote...

Not necessarily true. Male and Female Shepard seem to have the same script - that's why you get stuff like this. They didn't necessarily remove it so much as not implement/write it to begin with.
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I've gone through all the audio too, and normally audio between S/S romances can't be heard. So they either:
(a) Stopped because they thought no one would want it, or they ran out of time
or ( They decided that Tali wasn't going to be bi in ME2.

Either way, she wasn't bi in ME2. To go back on that just seems incredibly out of character with what they've already given us.

[quote]XX55XX wrote...

If BioWare made her straight in ME2, then they should keep her that way in ME3.

I know the homosexual/bisexual gamers lobby is quite strong here, and they too want their options, but I don't a character's sexuality to be retconned. If Tali was bisexual to begin with, then that is a different story altogether.
[/quote]
I agree with this.

[quote]Capt_Flashheart wrote...

@ ADLegend21
You seem to be ignoring what actually happened in ME2. The fact is that male Shepards can pursue a romance with Tali and FemSheps couldn't. Tali is a romanceable option for male Shepards only. There is no "if" or "but" about this. Tali is assumed to be straight, otherwise she would be romanceable by FemShep.
A character switching their sexuality off screen, changing from straight to bi between games, seems unsatisfactory, cheap and leaves fans who thought they knew their fav charactor feeling a little dejected.
I have no problems with new bi characters, but changing previously gender specific romances to be bi?
That, I have a problem with.
[/quote]
This, so much this.

[quote]ADLegend21 wrote...

can't be accessed in game? seems accessed here. Link.
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Normally. Without a save game editor.

I don't feel like argueing this since it just gets brushed aside anyway, but I just thought I'd voice my opinion too since everyone else way.

Modifié par Troodon80, 16 mai 2011 - 10:58 .

[Captain Crash]

Quole wrote...

The fact is; unless Tali actually says that she feels that way about femshep, its all interpretation.

Yeah I agree with this. Its still subjective at present until Bioware state otherwise.


But as mrsph showed with the below vid it is very easy to interpret Tali's feelings of friendship as something more if wanted.   She virtually idolises Shepard (of either gender) It would be an easy route to go down as the stones are already laid out.   


Also remember Tali became a LI in ME2  partly because of all the postitive feedback she got.   Now Bioware have mentioned S/S romances its only natural people consider past squadmates.   Especially with the relationship potential that is undoubtedly there.   Whether you agree to it or not, its very difficult to dismiss the fact that your conversations with Tali could be construed to mean something more.   


Anyway heres another fact to jog the mind.  If Tali Loves Shepard because of his personality and deeds then why is gender that important?   After all Shepard does the same actions regardless of gender.  

mrsph wrote...

And there is this. that can be interpreted several ways.

Jack and Tali actually made a lot of sense for S/S romances in 2.

 

[SilentNukee]

Tali doesn't say her sexual preferences.
So we don't know for sure what she is. The conversations with FemShep are so cute, although they don't get as far as male Shep, it's still valued. (Hale's voice acting is superb for everything except Renegabe speeches. ...and I love it, especially when she's talking with Tali. >.<)

[Troodon80]

Captain Crash wrote...
Anyway heres another fact to jog the mind.  If Tali Loves Shepard because of his personality and deeds then why is gender that important?   After all Shepard does the same actions regardless of gender.  
 

Gender isn't all that important, good characterisation and continuity is.

So far, without a saved game editor, which people seem to be conveniently forgetting about what BioWare already said about it possibly 'messing up you save game', is that Tali is not available for female Shepard's to romance. Period.

There is no 'if', 'and', or 'but'. In a normal playthrough it can't be done. If they had made Tali bi in ME2(again, without the use of a savegame editor, or mod (if there is one), or by any other method that isn't in the normal gameplay), then I'd have less objection to it, but to change that now...

Well, it would be a disappointment for a good few people.

[Collider]

I've gone through all the audio too, and normally audio between S/S romances can't be heard. So they either:
(a) Stopped because they thought no one would want it, or they ran out of time
or ( They decided that Tali wasn't going to be bi in ME2.

As has been said before, male and female Shepard (probably) have the same script. It doesn't have to be anything more than them just not implementing it. One can't really assume much about the files besides that they're just there.

Either way, she wasn't bi in ME2. To go back on that just seems incredibly out of character with what they've already given us.

Tali's romance is among the most (if not the most period) gender neutral in the entire series. I believe there's just one gender specific line and it's simply a pronoun change. Thus, it wouldn't be incredibly out of character, in my opinion. At the very least, it would be just about the least amount of change you can get so far as changing character sexualities goes. If they have to edit character orientations to make for another F/F romance with an existing character, it may as well be Tali, because you'd be changing very little relatively speaking.

Since she was not available in ME2 for female Shepard, I do think that any S/S romance with her should be easily avoidable for those who prefer the friendship or "sismance" that is already available with her. In essence the romance would be something that isn't relevant unless the player actively pursues it.

Modifié par Collider, 16 mai 2011 - 11:22 .

[Nodscouter]

She doesn't plainly state her sexuality, but this is 174 years into the future. I doubt she'd have a problem romancing femsheps, as I'm going to go ahead and suggest that homophobia isn't a widespread problem in the future.
So no to bi Tali. Especially as if they made her like that in the last game, then the female Talimancers would get less dialogue 'n' stuff than the male ´Talimancers.

[Someone With Mass]

More fun for the female players, I guess.

Me? I don't care. If I don't like it, I can avoid it. Have done it in the past, and it's been working out pretty well thus far.

[Captain Crash]

SilentNukee wrote...

Tali doesn't say her sexual preferences.
So we don't know for sure what she is. The conversations with FemShep are so cute, although they don't get as far as male Shep, it's still valued.

Yep, its certainly on the cards.  Depends if the decision is taken to keep her as a close friend or something more.   I think it would be a natural development of things.   That hug on The Alerei was cute too!  

Anyway Im a Tali fan,  I havent posted in one her threads for quite sometime.  But im happy to own one of her Lithos's.   I play primarily as femshep and I can easily she one of my characters falling for Tali very easily.  As said the foundation is laid all it takes is Bioware to take that bold step.

Troodon80 wrote...

Gender isn't all that important, good characterisation and continuity is.

So far, without a saved game editor, which people seem to be conveniently forgetting about what BioWare already said about it possibly 'messing up you save game', is that Tali is not available for female Shepard's to romance. Period.

There is no 'if', 'and', or 'but'. In a normal playthrough it can't be done. If they had made Tali bi in ME2(again, without the use of a savegame editor, or mod (if there is one), or by any other method that isn't in the normal gameplay), then I'd have less objection to it, but to change that now...

Well, it would be a disappointment for a good few people.

Well as SilentNukee said above she never once states her sexual preference and again those vids really do leave a lasting impression that something more could potentially be there.   Continuity can therefore not be damaged if its subjective to begin with.  The potential is there and a lot of people see it in ME2.  Who knows, she may not become a LI for her, but like a lot of people who dont support it, there are alot who do. 


As with modding ME2, its kind of irrelevant to a new romance with her in ME3.    Bioware stated that modding and editting will always have the potential to mess up a save to begin with.  They accept no liability.   Additionally Tali isnt a romance option for femshep in ME2.  This would be new tickboxes for ME3 if they add a "new" romance option for her.   Unique dialogue would have to be given to Tali and femshep to start a romance.

[SilentNukee]

I am most definitely going to make a Tali romance playthrough if she does become a potential LI for FemShep. She just has that...thing about her, which I guess all of us posting in this thread after feels for her.
I'm pretty sure she will be a potential LI, considering she is the only other female member we actually get to really connect with as FemShep in ME2. (The dossier on her is there too, even for FemSheps. )
If she won't be, I'll be pretty dissapoint. >:[ But oh well, they did mention friendships and not just romances will be more valued or something to that effect, which could work just as well.

Modifié par SilentNukee, 16 mai 2011 - 11:39 .

[Xilizhra]

Tali is currently open to interpretation, but enough so that implementing her as s/s would still make sense.

[Troodon80]

Captain Crash wrote...
Well as SilentNukee said above she never once states her sexual preference and again those vids really do leave a lasting impression that something more could potentially be there.   Continuity can therefore not be damaged if its subjective to begin with.  The potential is there and a lot of people see it in ME2.  Who knows, she may not become a LI for her, but like a lot of people who dont support it, there are alot who do. 

I know, and I don't oppose having a bi or ****** relationship with any other character that has more than just "the potential", like for example Jack, who has openly said to have been with both.

Captain Crash wrote...

As with modding ME2, its kind of irrelevant to a new romance with her in ME3.    Bioware stated that modding and editting will always have the potential to mess up a save to begin with.  They accept no liability.   Additionally Tali isnt a romance option for femshep in ME2.  This would be new tickboxes for ME3 if they add a "new" romance option for her.   Unique dialogue would have to be given to Tali and femshep to start a romance.

And you've just said what I've said previously.

My question is this:

Since all the audio is there (and all it requires is a simple modification to the save game), why didn't they implement it already?

It's only a safe conclusion that, while Tali trusts Shepard, there's no romantic tendencies. Noting, of course, that while trust could lead to something more, if it were possible, why didn't they do it in ME2, since (as I said) the audio is already there? Why dodge and dance around the possibility?

According to the audio she's ready to fall for female Shepard, but she doesn't in-game without the savegame editor to advance the romance. This means, that, while the trust is there, the romance isn't. Therefore, if the romance isn't there, they are now changing the character.

ME2 was when Tali comes out and tells Shepard of her adoration, etc. but it doesn't go anywhere with female Shepard. This should speak for her sexuality that while the possibility was there, it wasn't implemented; meaning that they chose not to make her bi.

Modifié par Troodon80, 16 mai 2011 - 11:56 .