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[ADLegend21]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...
So this thread is stupid then? insulting a thread by calling it stupid, oh that's trolling Goat. seriously.

You're unsubstantial interpretations are berating one character in favor for another in the fan thread of the character you're berating to trigger a negative emotional response.

Troll.

oh yeah because "Ashley saves Shepard from Wrex" Tali doens't" while point out all the time Tali has to be saved is really berating tali so bad. It's such a blatant disrespect for her character....wait no that's what actually happens in the Game, so it's a fact, not bashing. your accusations of me eing an internet troll aren't holding goat since I'm just pointing out things tht happen in game and not trying to rile you up.


EDIT: ToP Tali

Modifié par ADLegend21, 16 mai 2011 - 04:41 .

[Faust1991]

I've been pretty lax on posting the past day or so, all the discussion going on is WAAY above me, but what a strange turn its going in. Can't say I've ever seen this much back n forth about a character lol.

[Troodon80]

ADLegend21 wrote...

oh yeah because "Ashley saves Shepard from Wrex" Tali doens't" while point out all the time Tali has to be saved is really berating tali so bad. It's such a blatant disrespect for her character....wait no that's what actually happens in the Game, so it's a fact, not bashing. your accusations of me eing an internet troll aren't holding goat since I'm just pointing out things tht happen in game and not trying to rile you up.

What Goat has said in the past, as far as I can tell, is that Tali never asks to be saved/rescued/helped/etc, although she does appreciate being helped. At least that's as far as I understand it. So constantly saying that she needs help, or she's a damsel in distress, etc, etc, etc., isn't going to do you any favours.

Modifié par Troodon80, 16 mai 2011 - 04:47 .

[Goat_Shepard]

Troodon80 wrote...
I find that line almost offensive, does it have to come down to things like this?

Now you are hurting your arguments. Please refrain.

He/she is trying to be offensive. Just ignore. Moving on...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...
Where did I ever say this? Don't put words into my mouth please.

You said you wouldn't buy ME2 if Tali wasn't a LI. Me and you got in a big fight about it. Let's just move on.

Captain Crash wrote...

not necessarily true, meaning it could happen?   Arghh theres not going to be a straight answer for a few months is there     Really does look like hes still unsure if to confirm or deny it.     Means at least they are still considering it right?   

Indeed. There could be new characters who are LIs, or previously un-romanceable characters may be romanceable. I doubt Vega is the only new character showing up. I'm really interested in this Tweet.

Pride Demon wrote...
Again, I seriously hope I haven't said anything you deemed offensive, if so, I'm deeply sorrow and publicly  apologize to you (and anyone who might have taken offence) in front of the other users in this thread...

No, I'm sorry. I didn't take offense I was just using your post as a segway to my statement

Your post is logical and I agree with you.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 16 mai 2011 - 04:46 .

[ADLegend21]

Troodon80 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

oh yeah because "Ashley saves Shepard from Wrex" Tali doens't" while point out all the time Tali has to be saved is really berating tali so bad. It's such a blatant disrespect for her character....wait no that's what actually happens in the Game, so it's a fact, not bashing. your accusations of me eing an internet troll aren't holding goat since I'm just pointing out things tht happen in game and not trying to rile you up.

What Goat has said in the past, as far as I can tell, is that Tali never asks to be saved/rescued/helped/etc, although she does appreciate being helped. At least that's as far as I understand it.

and that's fine! she doesn't have to ask for help to be saved hell Ashley has to be "saved" on Virmire in the form of a firemans carry from the bomb site because she's wounded. One thing I did forget to mention is how she doens't help with the heavy mech on Freedoms progress. That sort of annoyed me after I had am import form ME1. Like after all this time you couldn't help me with an overload attack? (granted it was on insanity at level one so I got killed a few times for hiding behind that breakable crate.)

[Harpalyce]

I'm actually quite pleased by the development here, though I hope they leave a more platonic option open (for BOTH sexes of Shepards, since I know some MaleSheps see Tali more as a little sister).

It just seemed odd for me when my FemShep did nothing with Tali's invitation to link suits. That's a huge compliment from a Quarian, and the kind of invitation you just don't casually refuse. (ymmv, this is my speaking as a southern girl who was raised to be keenly aware of the intricacies of politeness.) It was so strange to see FemShep just do nothing with that!

So I'm hoping that with a romance option, FemShep can actually do something with that invitation. Of course, I'd be rather pleased if there was a more platonic option as well, but that goes for all the new romances, more or less.

I do like Tali and I look forward to seeing her in ME3. She occasionally reminds me of myself, and she's a charming, very personable character.

[TheHikariMoon]

Truthfully, my initial reaction Tali telling femShep that she trusts her enough to link suits with her was to believe that Bioware cut another same sex romance from the game. This belief was particularly reinforced when I watched the TalixMaleShep romance dialogue on YouTube and found the line is the same (with the same inflection and tone) regardless of gender. The only difference is the conversation just abruptly and awkwardly ends with femShep.

Anyway, *reenagaes lurk mode*

[Runescapeguy9]

Goat_Shepard wrote...
You said you wouldn't buy ME2 if Tali wasn't a LI. Me and you got in a big fight about it. Let's just move on.

I see. Not exactly what you said but I guess it was related. Anyway I am needed at work, so I will have to write a reply to this later. KS'

[ADLegend21]

Troodon80 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Whatever happens in my game = canon as it is with all the other millions of copies, which has been said by Casey Hudson and content has been made FOR said canon's in LoTSB. Even in said LoTSB where Tali can't hesitate with female Shepard on the romance path, it still shows she masturbates to human porn like a honry school girl as she does in Male shep playthroughs. It's plain to see she wants to be with female Shepard so bad, but is unable to take the necessary steps because she could be new to the whole female/female relationship.

I find that line almost offensive, does it have to come down to things like this?

Now you are hurting your arguments. Please refrain.

You should really be offended by her dossier then. I did not create said dossier tht has her downloading and upgradeing her "nerve" stimulator over and over again, that was the DLC team behind LoTSB. I have yet to say anyhting inflamatory about Tali that's NOT in the game so I don't see how it hurts my arguements to pull my arguements from the games.

[Evil_Sarevok]

You realise she is young and going through an experimentation phase, I cant see anything abnormal about it, especially in a universe that still, like our own, would have a lot of access to such things - More so Tali herself would be viewing, or able to view things easier being a tech head, and therefore being able to surf things would likely be in her role of Engineer.

Just because shes a smart girl doesnt mean she wont have to browse manuals

Maybe I wouldnt put it in those words, and I get bored of argumentative debates but its only 'human' to be experimental when of that age. Though it is sort of like saying all Uni Students go to Uni to get pissed, which is a generalisation.. but whatever. Heck though, for all you know the stimulants might just be an oddly named 'vibrating chair/bed' mode for Quarians.

Though yes ADLegend, theres a way to make a point, and theres a way to attempt to make a point then destroy your argument by making yourself look stupid and childish, at this moment in time you've done the latter, and most of your argument will probably be ignored by the thread.

[Captain Crash]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...

not necessarily true, meaning it could happen?   Arghh theres not going to be a straight answer for a few months is there     Really does look like hes still unsure if to confirm or deny it.     Means at least they are still considering it right?   

Indeed. There could be new characters who are LIs, or previously un-romanceable characters may be romanceable. I doubt Vega is the only new character showing up. I'm really interested in this Tweet.

Yes Im quite excited about that quote.   All the LI talk has pushed that to the sidelines hasnt it.   It wouldnt be Mass Effect if you wernt meeting new people and developing a team.  But now its confirmed the outside romance dialogue is richer too is great!   You can actually build up your friendships move effectively, or potentially damage them. 

Tali/Quarians and the Geth will have some interesting outcomes for ME3 im sure.  Especially on her personal stance and if you agree with it.  Although she may be more willing to let go of her homeworld ideal now her father cant fulfill his promise?   Then again it may have strengthened her opinion on the Geth.   Im sure Bioware will be keen to see this come to a head emotionally.

TheHikariMoon wrote...

Tali telling femShep that she trusts her enough to link suits with her was to believe that Bioware cut another same sex romance from the game.

Yeah the suit environments is a very intimate thing isnt it. Especially seeing where it led with Male Shep.   Like you say,  it easy to see why femsheps relationship with Tali can be viewed in several ways.  It can be seen as she trusts femshep deeply like family therefore staying best friends.  Or it can be seen as more of a flirt.  After all Tali isnt great at conveying her feelings and its something she would bottle up because shes unsure how to act.   Just adds to the cute! 

[ADLegend21]

Evil_Sarevok wrote...

You realise she is young and going through an experimentation phase, I cant see anything abnormal about it, especially in a universe that still, like our own, would have a lot of access to such things - More so Tali herself would be viewing, or able to view things easier being a tech head, and therefore being able to surf things would likely be in her role of Engineer.

Just because shes a smart girl doesnt mean she wont have to browse manuals

Maybe I wouldnt put it in those words, and I get bored of argumentative debates but its only 'human' to be experimental when of that age. Though it is sort of like saying all Uni Students go to Uni to get pissed, which is a generalisation.. but whatever. Heck though, for all you know the stimulants might just be an oddly named 'vibrating chair/bed' mode for Quarians.

Though yes ADLegend, theres a way to make a point, and theres a way to attempt to make a point then destroy your argument by making yourself look stupid and childish, at this moment in time you've done the latter, and most of your argument will probably be ignored by the thread.

you had me until the ilalicized bit. Calling someone stupid and childish is a great way to do as yous ay I am, destroying your point. I ahve said nothing that wasn't in game and happened, yet posters here refuse to engage because it goes against their opinion/way of thinking. I've been called a troll for stating facts which is hardly being a troll. I'm aware Tali is young she was a "child" in ME1 and 2 years later she's 19-20(ish) and she is in the experimenting phase. Which means she can and shouldbe open to a romantic relationship with Femshep. I also have other criticisms about her character, but I'll jsut be called a troll sine I am voicing a negative opinion of soe her actions and words as it hs been proven by certian posters in this thread.

[Formis_Sage]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

Look at the bright side, at least we can all haz Tali...

snp

Clearly we ALL can't. Not sexually, anyway. I find it curious that so many people are just now crawling out of the woodworks to talk about Tali only when there's news she could be made bi. It's unfortunate that so many don't seem to care about Tali unless they can f*ck her (this goes for straight people, too. I'm looking at you, Rune)

Seems aggressive of me to say, and I know people are ready to say "AHH, I DO TOO care about Tali as a friend!". If you do, that's great, but doesn't change the fact that so many showed up, and so many remain here, only because of the romance.

People come and leave all the time. Let them come and prove themselves. Some of them maybe just showed up in the right place but in the wrong time

MICHELLE7 wrote...
Casey's latest tweet:

Some game
sites saying "previously straight chars now available for both m&f
chars" not necessarily true. Will have some new LI's in #ME3

Good to hear. Not that I'm completely against old characters becoming "bisexual" but I'd rather see the new LIs to take that path.

Someone With Mass wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...
Casey's latest tweet:

Some
game sites saying "previously straight chars now available for both
m&f chars" not necessarily true. Will have some new LI's in
#ME3

Good. 

Glad that's over with.

It'll never be over. Even when the LIs are confirmed, people will just change
the "The character must be like this and that." discussions to "The character should have been like this and that." Humans are just like that, stubborn

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...

not necessarily true, meaning it could happen?   Arghh theres not going to be a straight answer for a few months is there [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie] 
  Really does look like hes still unsure if to confirm or deny it.    
Means at least they are still considering it right?   

Indeed.
There could be new characters who are LIs, or previously un-romanceable
characters may be romanceable. I doubt Vega is the only new character
showing up. I'm really interested in this Tweet.

Damn Twitter... Could anyone post that here? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Formis_Sage, 16 mai 2011 - 05:28 .

[Troodon80]

Damn Twitter... Could anyone post that here?

there761
@CaseyDHudson Will there be less dialogue with characters just because you don't romance with them? That was a problem with ME2.
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Casey Hudson
.@there761 #ME3 writing team has some great ideas for breaking the mold on char. interactions, which should add to non romance relationship.

[Influ]

Captain Crash wrote...
After all Tali isnt great at conveying her feelings and its something she would bottle up because shes unsure how to act.   Just adds to the cute! 

That's why I like the Tali romance so much, in a nutshell.

[Goat_Shepard]

ADLegend21 wrote...
I ahve said nothing that wasn't in game and happened,

Really? So Tali in-game is ACTUALLY a school-girl? This is what Sarevok was saying that you apparently missed. There is a way to present your argument, and you're failing at it.

Captain Crash wrote...
Yes Im quite excited about that quote.   All the LI talk has pushed that to the sidelines hasnt it.   It wouldnt be Mass Effect if you wernt meeting new people and developing a team.  But now its confirmed the outside romance dialogue is richer too is great!   You can actually build up your friendships move effectively, or potentially damage them. 

Tali/Quarians and the Geth will have some interesting outcomes for ME3 im sure.  Especially on her personal stance and if you agree with it.  Although she may be more willing to let go of her homeworld ideal now her father cant fulfill his promise?   Then again it may have strengthened her opinion on the Geth.   Im sure Bioware will be keen to see this come to a head emotionally.

I'm glad that if ME3 is going to be delayed, it is partly due to the characters having more things to say and having more friendship paths and "failure" paths

Tali wants the homeworld as much as anybody, but she cares more about stopping the Reapers, and I'm quite anticipatory of the possible outcomes with the geth. There's just so many little things such as reactions and background dialogue that I fear will get cut due to resource limitations, but when is that not true? I'm curious about Tali's reaction to you telling her about the geth only being caretakers for Rannoch and I hope we see it

Formis_Sage wrote...
Damn Twitter... Could anyone post that here? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]

Just sign up, look up Casey Hudson, and stalk that beautiful man!

[jacobOriley]

Evil_Sarevok wrote...
Though yes ADLegend, theres a way to make a point, and theres a way to attempt to make a point then destroy your argument by making yourself look stupid and childish, at this moment in time you've done the latter, and most of your argument will probably be ignored by the thread.

Already has been.

[Collider]

One of the things that people didn't like in ME2 is that conversations with most love interests end abruptly if you don't romance them. Jack's the worst offender there.
I hope they fix that up.

[Goat_Shepard]

Collider wrote...

One of the things that people didn't like in ME2 is that conversations with most love interests end abruptly if you don't romance them. Jack's the worst offender there.
I hope they fix that up.

Indeed. I hope with the extra time that it isn't just Jacob who has a clear friendship path.

[ADLegend21]

Influ wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...
After all Tali isnt great at conveying her feelings and its something she would bottle up because shes unsure how to act.   Just adds to the cute! 

That's why I like the Tali romance so much, in a nutshell.

I'd love to see her get all flusterd with a femshep of mine.it is adorable and would be adorable x5 if it was with femshep.

[ADLegend21]

jacobOriley wrote...

Evil_Sarevok wrote...
Though yes ADLegend, theres a way to make a point, and theres a way to attempt to make a point then destroy your argument by making yourself look stupid and childish, at this moment in time you've done the latter, and most of your argument will probably be ignored by the thread.

Already has been.

oh hey, I still ahve yet to get your response to me asking your opinion on Tali's view of the geth. I've been waiting for that patiently.

[Someone With Mass]

Collider wrote...

One of the things that people didn't like in ME2 is that conversations with most love interests end abruptly if you don't romance them. Jack's the worst offender there.
I hope they fix that up.

Seems to be fixed.

[Collider]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Collider wrote...

One of the things that people didn't like in ME2 is that conversations with most love interests end abruptly if you don't romance them. Jack's the worst offender there.
I hope they fix that up.

Seems to be fixed.

I would hope so.

[Influ]

ADLegend21 wrote...

I'd love to see her get all flusterd with a femshep of mine.it is adorable and would be adorable x5 if it was with femshep.

Agreed. Maybe in ME3...

[jacobOriley]

Troodon80 wrote...

there761
@CaseyDHudson Will there be less dialogue with characters just because you don't romance with them? That was a problem with ME2.
21 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply
in reply to @there761 ↑

Casey Hudson
.@there761 #ME3 writing team has some great ideas for breaking the mold on char. interactions, which should add to non romance relationship.

This is a direction I was hoping they would go.