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[Norad2]

This argument has been going on for days with no end in sight.
 

Edit: Top       This is only the second time I have ever been top.  This is one of Riptide's works. ( His best imo) Bonus: It has Garrus, too.

Modifié par Norad2, 20 mai 2011 - 05:55 .

[Captain Crash]

Capt_Flashheart wrote...


Then why can't you just stop with that? Why must you continue to push for retconing Tali when you're already getting other meaningful s/s romances? If you'd just leave the old LI's alone practically half of all the opposition to s/s romances would join the s/s supporters against the people who don't want any bi romances at all...

 ...Tali is straight, get over it.

As Ryn said, how can it be retconing. She still loves your male shep and that wont change at all. She wont be Bi in your playthrough, she will be straight. So you dont need to worry.   

There is enough potential to suggest that their could be more there if wanted for Tali and femshep though.  If characters do take on a S/S roll Tali would be at the top of the list im sure. She still has enough transparicy to allow for S/S romance.    Plus people would like the option.  People like already established characters, especially those that have taken on what can be construed as "suggestive" already.   Agree or not, but many people see Tali nature towards femshep in ME2 as a little more. 

Norad2 wrote...

This argument has been going on for days with no end in sight.

Bit of a Hot Topic isnt it.  But yes in the end its opinion.  Theres enough uncertainty with her that it has fueled this convo a lot more then the other characters.    Hopefully Bioware can give clarification in the near future  

[ADLegend21]

Norad2 wrote...

This argument has been going on for days with no end in sight.

it really shouldn't be an arguement, because the "opposition" is just worried that Tali will be bi and leave malehsep for a woman, when that won't be the case if she's made available to Femshep. We're capmaigning for her to be available to BOTH Shepard's and that still includes Maleshep and adds femshep. how could you not like more fans wanting Tali to be romanceable?

[Troodon80]

Capt_Flashheart wrote...

*Snip*

Nice. And I agree with everything you've said.

Influ wrote...

Well, okay. Let's reverse the question again. Why couldn't you live with the option of Tali being a bisexual LI in ME3?

Right, and reversing a question that's been answered by the majority of people here, several times, instead of answering my question to everyone else really helps your argument.

Influ wrote...

I really don't care which way they go...

Then why do you, and others, keep arguing the opposite? That Tali must be made into a bisexual to suit other people. If you don't care, then why are you even debating it?

There are fans who did EVERYTHING the Tali fans did since Game one in support of same sex romance, thousands upon thousands of posts, hours of lives, fanfictions, etc. But one thing they didn't do was go around bashing others and gettign their trhead's closed due to massive flame wars, forgotten about that have you?

No, most people haven't forgotten about the countless trolls that got the previous threads closed because people should have just ignored them, just like people should now start ignoring you, because obviously your only intent, right now, is to get a rise out of people since you refuse to listen to A. opposition B. Valid arguments C. The majority of people.

So You're saying that since it was "for a charcter that wasn't bisexual" you'll disown Tali and kick her out of the captains Cabin in ME3 if on some other persons game disc she's with a femshep?

Not at all. Not even close. By changing a character that most people already think they know and love, it will disparage and dishearten them to find out they didn't know them at all.

you might as well do so since she's with other dudesheps anyway since you're obviously not willing to "share" her.

Now you're just trolling. Again.

and the recording of Same Sex dialogue in Every Mass Effect game

Recordings, that I might add, weren't included in normal game-play. Which you refuse to acknowledge.

She still has a human fetish and wants to link suits with Shepard regardless of gender.

That's been answered time and time again, but you refuse to listen.

(Also, please don't pick apart this post like crash's, it makes it hard to quote. Thank you.)
It really doesn't...

Seriously. If you want to keep having a pointless debate like this, then take it to the S/S thread. No one will object there.

[ADLegend21]

Again? I've only been saying things that appear ot be true and yes there have ben Tali fans who admitted they don't want to share her with femshep players so that's been proven. you jsut accuse me of trolling because I don't agree with you which is trolling on your behalf. I also asked for my post to stay intat and not be picked apart, but I guess that was too hard for you? The point is it was recorded, if they weren't thinking of doing it then why bother wasting time by recording it in the first place? I acknowledge it was left out of the main game, but it was still created for a purpose. Lair of the shadow broker also had dialogue that was left out, but it was added to the main game after a while. It's only pointless because the negative side refuses to actually LISTEN to the positive side in which case it's like talking to a brick wall. It doens't change the fact that Tali's still gorwon as a person and still wishes to share suit environments with Female Shepard regardless of her "established" sexuality.

[Runescapeguy9]

Modifié par Runescapeguy9, 20 mai 2011 - 06:15 .

[Norad2]

@ Anyone who wants to know what I think.
My fear is that the dialogue might be short cutted and made gender neutral, taking away some of the depth and experience. More so then that is my worry that if Bioware takes that step in ME3 with Tali, then other popuar characters may well follow (like Garrus). Something like that could affect my play through. Although they would surely give you a way to halt the development through dialogue, it would still be a little awkward.

Over all, I am strongly against this development concerning Tali. But, I am only one person with one opinion, so what does it matter what I say?

Modifié par Norad2, 20 mai 2011 - 06:18 .

[Norad2]

Edit: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! MY FIRST DOUBLE POST!

Modifié par Norad2, 20 mai 2011 - 06:17 .

[Capt_Flashheart]

rynluna wrote...

Can anyone tell me how Tali is retconned into being bi if she never romances anyone in a FemShep playthrough? 

Shepard's actions and presence is the source of all variables in Mass Effect. Any character that interacts with Shepard has the same personality in each playthrough even if Shepard doesn't. In this regard, a character's sexuality is universal. Tali being bi in one playthrough is Tali being bi in every playthrough to me

Also, how is she retconned into being bisexual in ME3 if she romanced MaleShep in ME2?

She would be considered retconned because she was straight in ME2.
Edit: Remember that Tali only needs to be able to romance Femshep for me to consider her bi in all playthroughs

Are you guys afraid that even if she's in a relationship with you, she'll tell you her true bicurious feelings?

Since I'd know she's bi whether she says it or not (see my earlier statment about sexuality being universal), I'd be more distressed that she wouldn't tell me. This is all in mega hypothetical territory. 

If she does end up being available to FemShep, are you guys going to have a hard time sharing this forum with a bunch of new romance fans?

This thread is for all Tali fans. You don't have to romance Tali to talk about her here. I've answered all your questions as truthfuly as I can.

Modifié par Capt_Flashheart, 20 mai 2011 - 06:27 .

[ADLegend21]

Norad2 wrote...

@ Anyone who wants to know what I think.
My fear is that the dialogue might be short cutted and made gender neutral, taking away some of the depth and experience. More so then that is my worry that if Bioware takes that step in ME3 with Tali, then other popuar characters may well follow (like Garrus). Something like that could affect my play through. Although they would surely give you a way to halt the development through dialogue, it would still be a little awkward.

Over all, I am strongly against this development concerning Tali. But, I am only one person with one opinion, so what does it matter what I say?

But Bioware has already said they're making every character interaction deeper. Friendship is deeper and romance is deeper, especially the newly pursued romances. Just think all the sexual tension between Tali and femshep could explode into the cutest and more adroable romance the likes of which gaming has ever seen. Suit sharing, seeing what she looks like outside of her suit. etc. built up over the course of 3 games until it was just right.

[Someone With Mass]

Not that I care which way she goes, but isn't liking suits just sharing air? As in, nothing sexual?

[Norad2]

I miss the simple conversations we had before this all started. Tell us again about her immune system again.

[Captain Crash]

ADLegend21 wrote...

But Bioware has already said they're making every character interaction deeper. Friendship is deeper and romance is deeper, especially the newly pursued romances. Just think all the sexual tension between Tali and femshep could explode into the cutest and more adroable romance the likes of which gaming has ever seen. Suit sharing, seeing what she looks like outside of her suit. etc. built up over the course of 3 games until it was just right.

This is my hope too.  Tali adores Shepard and shes clearly "blushing under her visor". :happy:  Its cute.   Its a really sweet build up where your feelings grow over the course of two games and can blossom into something far more by the third game.   No one is forcing it, they can stay friends.  But I can see a really heart felt and sweet romance between them.  

[TheMarshal]

Norad2 wrote...

I miss the simple conversations we had before this all started. Tell us again about her immune system again.

She has a shotgun...

[Troodon80]

Again?

And again, until you take it to the S/S thread. That's the whole purpose for starting that thread, no? To ask BioWare to put S/S romances into the game. So go there with your 'request'.

you jsut accuse me of trolling because I don't agree with you which is trolling on your behalf.

The difference is, I'm giving you actual feedback on what you, Captain Crash, and others are putting forth as "evidence." I haven't been the one trolling.

I also asked for my post to stay intat and not be picked apart, but I guess that was too hard for you?

It's easier because it saves people from having to read through a string of answers which seem to have no end. *Cough*.

The point is it was recorded, if they weren't thinking of doing it then why bother wasting time by recording it in the first place?

You really aren't listening to a word anyone is saying, are you? As Collider and others have said; maybe they were recording it in case they wanted to implement it, but then decided against it for whatever reasons.

I acknowledge it was left out of the main game

If it's not accessible in the main game, then it can't be used as 'evidence'. This has been said before, countless times.

It's only pointless because the negative side refuses to actually LISTEN to the positive side in which case it's like talking to a brick wall.

Exactly how I feel. You've put forth your 'evidence', and people have replied with reasons as to 'why not', but you keep going around in circles, posing the exact same things that have been posed before, and they keep getting the same responses.

It doesn't change the fact that Tali's still growing as a person and still wishes to share suit environments with Female Shepard regardless of her "established" sexuality.

And as has been said before, if you were listen at all, linking suits doesn't mean "I am bi" it means "I trust you".

This 'discussion is getting nowhere, and I'd suggest, politely, that you take it to the S/S thread. Please. Now drop it, for everyone's sake and stop posting the same questions that you've posted before. You will only get the same responses.

[AngelicMachinery]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Not that I care which way she goes, but isn't liking suits just sharing air? As in, nothing sexual?

vocal tone,  obvious nervousness,  and her reaction to teasing suggests otherwise.

[Norad2]

Maybe we'll talk later...

[jwalker]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Not that I care which way she goes, but isn't liking suits just sharing air? As in, nothing sexual?

Would you link suits with Kal Reegar ?

Modifié par jwalker, 20 mai 2011 - 06:35 .

[AngelicMachinery]

jwalker wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Not that I care which way she goes, but isn't liking suits just sharing air? As in, nothing sexual?

Would you link suits with Kal Reegar ?

I'd link suits with Kal Reegar and Tali, if you get what I'm saying. 

[Someone With Mass]

Tali's mom and Shala linked suits right before she was born, so I don't think there are any sexual interactions involved.

Unless it's optional.

[Someone With Mass]

jwalker wrote...
Would you link suits with Kal Reegar ?

No, because I can't see anything special about the guy that makes me want to do it.

[Capt_Flashheart]

If I remember the Bridget Jones Diary films correctly, Bridget has similarly awkward dialogue with other women all the time, yet she's as straight as an arrow...

[Norad2]

Maybe if we were greatest of friends, but as it is, he is just a soldier that we all agree is epically cool