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[AngelicMachinery]

Capt_Flashheart wrote...

If I remember the Bridget Jones Diary films correctly, Bridget has similarly awkward dialogue with other women all the time, yet she's as straight as an arrow...

But,  it's obviously meant to be the beginning of a romance that was just chopped off. 

[Norad2]

After all this tense discussion, I think I might just joint the "night shift."

[Collider]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Capt_Flashheart wrote...

If I remember the Bridget Jones Diary films correctly, Bridget has similarly awkward dialogue with other women all the time, yet she's as straight as an arrow...

But,  it's obviously meant to be the beginning of a romance that was just chopped off. 

It doesn't feel like it was chopped off because there's unique dialog there only for female Shepard. That seems to demonstrate a deliberate intention for friendship. That said - I do think that out of any of the current female romance options that aren't already bisexual, Tali would probably fit being available to the same sex the most. 

[ADLegend21]

Captain Crash wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

But Bioware has already said they're making every character interaction deeper. Friendship is deeper and romance is deeper, especially the newly pursued romances. Just think all the sexual tension between Tali and femshep could explode into the cutest and more adroable romance the likes of which gaming has ever seen. Suit sharing, seeing what she looks like outside of her suit. etc. built up over the course of 3 games until it was just right.

This is my hope too.  Tali adores Shepard and shes clearly "blushing under her visor". :happy:  Its cute.   Its a really sweet build up where your feelings grow over the course of two games and can blossom into something far more by the third game.   No one is forcing it, they can stay friends.  But I can see a really heart felt and sweet romance between them.  

I know right? It'd be the cutest thing for her to do her nervous talking while admitting to femshep that she's harbored feelings for her this whole time and wants to know if she feels the same. and then wehnf emshep goes "Yes" Tali's all excited. cuteness overload right there.

[mikethor007]

It will ne a loooooong wait until the game comes out seeing all this in the thread.

[Someone With Mass]

mikethor007 wrote...

It will ne a loooooong wait until the game comes out seeing all this in the thread.

It'll be worth it, though.

[Captain Crash]

Troodon80 wrote...

The difference is, I'm giving you actual feedback on what you, Captain Crash, and others are putting forth as "evidence." I haven't been the one trolling.

I probably just read it wrong, I apologise in advance if I have. But I hope your not trying to call me a troll because I have a diffenent opinion to you? Thats quite low, especially when like you I have been providing information as to why I think Tali has potential to romance femshep.    I know you dont think she should.  But you agreed yourself  that the dialogue is open to interpretation.  

If Bioware choose not to go down the path in ME3, thats fine.  Tali still the same and she will always be a close friend.   I would just really like to see it as something more, as too do alot of others who have voiced over the past few days.

[mikethor007]

Someone With Mass wrote...

mikethor007 wrote...

It will ne a loooooong wait until the game comes out seeing all this in the thread.

It'll be worth it, though.

I'm with Troodon and Flasheart on this one though.

[TheAwesomologist]

ADLegend21 wrote...

But Bioware has already said they're making every character interaction deeper. Friendship is deeper and romance is deeper, especially the newly pursued romances. Just think all the sexual tension between Tali and femshep could explode into the cutest and more adroable romance the likes of which gaming has ever seen. Suit sharing, seeing what she looks like outside of her suit. etc. built up over the course of 3 games until it was just right.

I may have to actually do a FemShep run if it's handled that well.

[Someone With Mass]

I think Patrick can keep Tali's character consistent regardless of her sexual preference.

[ADLegend21]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I think Patrick can keep Tali's character consistent regardless of her sexual preference.

Exactly!

[Pride Demon]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Sorry to hear that Rune, I enjoy reading your posts and opinions on things...
BTW, if I'm not mistaken it should be singular ("light") not plural at the end of the second line... ;P

EDIT. Nevermind my second line, text was fixed... ;P

Modifié par Pride Demon, 20 mai 2011 - 08:10 .

[mikethor007]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I think Patrick can keep Tali's character consistent regardless of her sexual preference.

Indeed he can, but to that he'd probably have to say/write that Tali was bisexual since the beginning, therefore falling into the trap that Troodon and Flashheart were posting about. We've known Tali since Me1. A truckload of people assumed from Me2 that she was straight from the fact of her not being avalable to femshep. And then BW comes along and says that she's been bi since day one. I'm sorry but that feels like pulling a rug from under me, at least. It doesn't matter that it was well written or consistent, It'd be downright unpleasant because Tali was suddenly made to fit.

The other alternative would be for Patrick to make Tali swing both ways for the first time in ME3. But that would be...hell, I don't even know what that would be.

The recorded lines that were cut should not count as "evidence" AT ALL. They were CUT. For a REASON. To insist on this is to literally grasp at straws.

Her stammer and suit linking can be taken any number of ways. As already stated in-game, suit linking doesn't necessarily means there's a romatic involvement.

I can only see this Tali as S/S thing as wishful thinking for now. I'm sorry, but I don't see it at all as a hard truth.

[AnimaTempli101]

You know (I've just drunk quite a bit of wine so bear with me if this sounds like a pile of rubbish) I have the feeling that a lot of the distaste for Tali becoming S/S is partially due to the way they handled Anders in DA2. A guy who often professed his desire for the fairer sex and only had one line of potentially suggestive (though I say it was just snarky) dialogue suddenly becomes bi.

Edit: And what did Rune say? 

Modifié par AnimaTempli101, 20 mai 2011 - 07:40 .

[Troodon80]

I probably just read it wrong, I apologise in advance if I have. But I hope your not trying to call me a troll because I have a diffenent opinion to you?

No, that was in response to ADLegend21's attempt to throw back the "I'm not trolling, you are" thing. But all I've heard is the same arguments, over and over again, and they keep getting the same responses, and will continue to keep getting the same responses. Hence the topic is futile and better taken elsewhere, like the S/S thread; which was created for that very reason, to give you the opportunity to voice you opinion on S/S romances.

I know you don't think she should. But you agreed yourself that the dialogue is open to interpretation.

I also said it's more open to interpretation one way than it is the other. Like for example I can use the very same piece of 'evidence' you posed, that video, as my own response against it. What you need to do is look at what is in the game. What is in the game is Tali and male Shepard. There is no argument there. You've agreed before.

And as I've said before, me not wanting Tali to be bi has nothing to do with her being bi, it's about changing what she already is, changing something that people have come to see, know, adore and love. If you change that, you take away everything that anyone ever knew about that character.

In ME1 she was a plot device, she didn't even get a spot on the cover, unlike Garrus who was an optional addition. In ME2 her romance came out, due to people asking for it. Her character is what most people are attracted to, because obviously you can't see what she look like; It was this point that people became attached to her even more than they already were, since her personality really shone and her romance topped it off.

Now people want to change that, take away everything that makes her who she is now, make her something different. You don't see how that would upset the fans that she has because of who she is now? People who think they know her character?

If Bioware choose not to go down the path in ME3, thats fine. Tali still the same and she will always be a close friend.

Then that's settled, Tali can be a close friend with no negativity for not being bi.

Thank you for settling that.

Maybe people can keep further S/S discussions to the S/S thread where it would be more welcome.

I'm with Troodon and Flasheart on this one though.

Aye. And I'm with quite a number of other people. But no one needs to argue about this.

[Fusiox]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

After time adrift, etc.<br />
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This was posted about eight months ago by Nuclear Buddha; has anybody found out who the artist is? Or what medium he/she/they used (painting, 3D rendering, computer art tools, traditional art tools, etc.)?

This is definitely one of the best fan-art pieces I've seen in a long time--even if it isn't what you envisioned Tali to be, props to making such a well-done piece anyway. Whoever you are.

Modifié par Fusiox, 20 mai 2011 - 07:47 .

[AnimaTempli101]

Indeed, not what I picture for Tali, but good as a composition in and of itself. No idea about technique used or artist though.

[Fusiox]

AnimaTempli101 wrote...

Indeed, not what I picture for Tali, but good as a composition in and of itself. No idea about technique used or artist though.

I imagined it was probably a computer-rendered piece; I haven't seen many "traditional" pieces with such good shading/lighting effects and perfect coloring (most art pieces would have areas where the artist may have painted over his sketching lines by accident, or used a wrong color, etc.). In other words, it seems a little too perfect to be completely hand-done.

As a budding artist myself, I like to know how good pieces like this were made. It helps me to understand what a "good" piece consists of.

[Pride Demon]

AnimaTempli101 wrote...

You know (I've just drunk quite a bit of wine so bear with me if this sounds like a pile of rubbish) I have the feeling that a lot of the distaste for Tali becoming S/S is partially due to the way they handled Anders in DA2. A guy who often professed his desire for the fairer sex and only had one line of potentially suggestive (though I say it was just snarky) dialogue suddenly becomes bi.

Edit: And what did Rune say? 

Translated (with a bit of difficulties) from Kelish Font, I keep the lines in order...

I am out of here. have fun arguing for no reason.
After time adrift among open stars, along tides of light,
and through shoals of dust, I will return to where I began.

Modifié par Pride Demon, 20 mai 2011 - 07:53 .

[AnimaTempli101]

Ah, makes sense. Business as usual.

[Troodon80]

Indeed, not what I picture for Tali, but good as a composition in and of itself. No idea about technique used or artist though.

Possibly Zbrush.

[mikethor007]

Fusiox wrote...

AnimaTempli101 wrote...

Indeed, not what I picture for Tali, but good as a composition in and of itself. No idea about technique used or artist though.

I imagined it was probably a computer-rendered piece; I haven't seen many "traditional" pieces with such good shading/lighting effects and perfect coloring (most art pieces would have areas where the artist may have painted over his sketching lines by accident, or used a wrong color, etc.). In other words, it seems a little too perfect to be completely hand-done.

As a budding artist myself, I like to know how good pieces like this were made. It helps me to understand what a "good" piece consists of.

IIRC, that piece does indeed involve computer graphics.

[Fusiox]

mikethor007 wrote...

Fusiox wrote...

AnimaTempli101 wrote...

Indeed, not what I picture for Tali, but good as a composition in and of itself. No idea about technique used or artist though.

I imagined it was probably a computer-rendered piece; I haven't seen many "traditional" pieces with such good shading/lighting effects and perfect coloring (most art pieces would have areas where the artist may have painted over his sketching lines by accident, or used a wrong color, etc.). In other words, it seems a little too perfect to be completely hand-done.

As a budding artist myself, I like to know how good pieces like this were made. It helps me to understand what a "good" piece consists of.

IIRC, that piece does indeed involve computer graphics.

I thought so. I took a quick peek at ZBrush while you wrote the piece; indeed, it does look like a piece done with ZBrush. Considering the steep price you need to even get ZBrush (even a student license doesn't really dampen the cost that much), I can imagine it was either a really good fan-piece or one secretly done by a professional game artist--possibly one from BioWare (it was tweeted by a BioWare artist in the first place, so why not?).

I have a lot of admiration for said artist. The picture was almost how I envisioned Tali to be--she looks great, but a little too human, and while it's hard to imagine her without hair, there's no reason that quarians might have hair, either. I mean, humans are the only race to have hair in the entire game.

But I will stop speculating now. There's plenty of threads about speculation.

Modifié par Fusiox, 20 mai 2011 - 08:51 .

[AnimaTempli101]

Indeed sir!

Hypothetical question abound!

"Given what we all know about Tali, what do you think Tali feels about peoplewith laid-back personalities?"

[mikethor007]

Fusiox wrote...

*megasnip*

His nickname is Vespaz, IIRC. Just google a bit.