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[jacobOriley]

Bearcut wrote...
Anyway... this is my take on Quarians.

1) They are obviously Mammals. (Hello, breasteses!)
2) Because they are Mammals, it's pretty safe to assume they have a birth canal of some sort, and that this would be conducive to breeding with another Mammal.
3) If they are sterile inside the suit, don't really have to worry about smell too much do we?
4) We can assume that their planet is darker - there has to be a reason for dark faceplates and glowing eyes, and I assume it's because their natural environment either has very low light, or a very long night cycle, and they evolved such advanced night vision that their eyes glow. Plus, we don't even know if they see in the same spectrum as we do. So there. Thats my take on the Dark faceplate.
5) I can't think of a Mammal without teeth, so we can assume they got teeth.
6) We can see through the masks a relatively human face (Eyes, Nose, Mouth below the Nose)... so they aren't gonna be too crazy, at least not in the face department.
7) Hair is a really a give or take. What is the evolutionary purpose behind long hair? Come to think of it, why does the hair on a humans head continue to grow..... oh right, we don't shed. Much.
8) Another reason for the faceplate is privacy. In the cramped quarters of the flotilla, they don't exact get any "alone time." The suits have become a psychological barrier of sorts and being able to hide their face is another part of that. Several generations of this have led to a sort of reverse claustrophobia (i forget the other term)

Yeeah.

That's a pretty good and well thought out analysis. It also follows the in-game lore as well as the book lore pretty accurately. It's even rational! You make Tali proud....

[Bearcut]

Oh yeah, it's Agoraphobia. Ala Issac Asimov.
Psychiatry First Aid FTW!!!!

[Seboist]

Bioware confirmed the Quarians have hair in that one gameinformer vid on Garrus.

[phonypapercut]

Bearcut wrote...
Eh, I have a major in Biochemistry, but if I had to go back and take the finals again, no way I would pass.

Anyway... this is my take on Quarians.

1) They are obviously Mammals. (Hello, breasteses!)
2) Because they are Mammals, it's pretty safe to assume they have a birth canal of some sort, and that this would be conducive to breeding with another Mammal.
3) If they are sterile inside the suit, don't really have to worry about smell too much do we?
4) We can assume that their planet is darker - there has to be a reason for dark faceplates and glowing eyes, and I assume it's because their natural environment either has very low light, or a very long night cycle, and they evolved such advanced night vision that their eyes glow. Plus, we don't even know if they see in the same spectrum as we do. So there. Thats my take on the Dark faceplate.
5) I can't think of a Mammal without teeth, so we can assume they got teeth.
6) We can see through the masks a relatively human face (Eyes, Nose, Mouth below the Nose)... so they aren't gonna be too crazy, at least not in the face department.
7) Hair is a really a give or take. What is the evolutionary purpose behind long hair? Come to think of it, why does the hair on a humans head continue to grow..... oh right, we don't shed. Much.
8) Another reason for the faceplate is privacy. In the cramped quarters of the flotilla, they don't exact get any "alone time." The suits have become a psychological barrier of sorts and being able to hide their face is another part of that. Several generations of this have led to a sort of reverse claustrophobia (i forget the other term)

Yeeah.

1) Mammary glands do not imply all other characteristics of mammals.
2) That's a safe assumption because just about all sexually reproducing multicellular animals have birth canals, not because they are "mammals".
3) Bacteria isn't the only source for smell, pleasant or not, on animals.
4) Not safe to assume in my mind. Only reason given for darkened faceplate is privacy. It's not actually known if quarians have naturally glowing eyes. It could be a product of cybernetics or reflective tissue. And to the contrary, truly luminous eyes (i.e. give off their own light) would hamper low-light vision.
5) Probably safe.
6) Agreed. Though there's still room for more difference than many people seem to think.
7) Human hair has stuck around for heat regulation, hygiene and is a secondary sexual characteristic.
8) Agoraphobia is probably the term you are looking for, but I would disagree that quarians should suffer from it in any capacity greater than humans.

[jacobOriley]

Seboist wrote...

Bioware confirmed the Quarians have hair in that one gameinformer vid on Garrus.

Well maybe....but what was said was the design change in Tali's hood was more of a hair metaphor showing Tali maturing from ME1 to ME2. The long straight hair of a young woman to the shorter cropped hair of a grown woman. At least that's what I got from it.

[Weiser_Cain]

Someone brought this up a few days ago, there were talking about the idea behind the hood redesign.

[Capt_Flashheart]

Seboist wrote...

Bioware confirmed the Quarians have hair in that one gameinformer vid on Garrus.

It's true that they said the veil Tali wears is meant to look like hair, however they never specifically said that Quarians have it.

Modifié par Capt_Flashheart, 13 juin 2011 - 01:13 .

[DoNotIngest]

Bearcut wrote...
Anyway... this is my take on Quarians.

1) They are obviously Mammals. (Hello, breasteses!)
2) Because they are Mammals, it's pretty safe to assume they have a birth canal of some sort, and that this would be conducive to breeding with another Mammal.
3) If they are sterile inside the suit, don't really have to worry about smell too much do we?
4) We can assume that their planet is darker - there has to be a reason for dark faceplates and glowing eyes, and I assume it's because their natural environment either has very low light, or a very long night cycle, and they evolved such advanced night vision that their eyes glow. Plus, we don't even know if they see in the same spectrum as we do. So there. Thats my take on the Dark faceplate.
5) I can't think of a Mammal without teeth, so we can assume they got teeth.
6) We can see through the masks a relatively human face (Eyes, Nose, Mouth below the Nose)... so they aren't gonna be too crazy, at least not in the face department.
7) Hair is a really a give or take. What is the evolutionary purpose behind long hair? Come to think of it, why does the hair on a humans head continue to grow..... oh right, we don't shed. Much.
8) Another reason for the faceplate is privacy. In the cramped quarters of the flotilla, they don't exact get any "alone time." The suits have become a psychological barrier of sorts and being able to hide their face is another part of that. Several generations of this have led to a sort of reverse claustrophobia (i forget the other term)

Yeeah.

1) This would seem true, but then, somebody said the dev's had said Asari were aquatic... Of course, they could be aquatic mammals, but I'm pretty sure the devs said Humans and Quarians were the only mammals...?
2) Yep! (Also, the story with the bubble sounds exactly like a human birth)
3) Completely agreed, Tali would smell as bad as somebody fresh out of the shower, at worse. There's probably even a system that keeps fresh air flowing over their skin, for health reasons.
4) This makes sense (and is rather attractive, IMO), though Tali's eyes don't seem much larger than those of a human; Also, their planet is heavily populated by plants, it would seem, though there are many, many low-light plants on our world, which we would use as "the norm" (Basically made that last sentence redundant...).
5) That's a safe bet; Though, I would be sad I didn't get to use them, only eating paste...
6) Agreed 100%, again.
7) There's no room in those helmets for any crests; And they (especially as mammals) would have the exact same uses for hair as we would, though they also apparently transport pollen; So maybe slightly looser ("featherier" came to mind, although I just mean slightly different hair, not feathers...), or finer hair?
8) I'm sure that Quarians would have developed an anti-claustrophobia (too lazy to check Bearcut's real word), or, to be precise, I'm sure they would find the sudden change of everyone being able to see their face, and the naked feel of it (plus everyone staring, "OMG! DUDE, IT'S A QUARIAN WITHOUT THE MASK!"), quite uncomfortable and alien.


Going back to 4) and 8) for a second, obviously, the Quarians weren't used to people not seeing their face when they first created their enviro-suits; Thus, there must be another reason for having a dark faceplate. They wouldn't have changed from a clear plate to a dark plate (and some would still wear the clear, no doubt), because they wouldn't have developed that comfort for not being seen, and the discomfort for strangers seeing their face, if their faceplates were clear. So, considering the darkened faceplate must have been around since the very first enviro-suits, I would imagine it has a lot to do with their vision, and the seclusion is a side effect that's become part of every Quarian... Plus, those shining eyes are bound to have a pesky reason to be so damned awesome

[ISpeakTheTruth]

We do realise that the Quarians are an alien specie right? The rules of what has breasts and everything else you listed only applies to creatures that come from Earth. An alien specie has the ability to go completely against our typical rules of what 'mammals' would have vs. what an 'avian' creature would have.The Quarians don't even have DNA like ours its completly different so the idea we could look at their figure and say what they have based on that based on things we assume they'd have because we have examples of things that are found on OUR planet seems silly.

Modifié par ISpeakTheTruth, 13 juin 2011 - 01:45 .

[jacobOriley]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

We do realise that the Quarians are an alien specie right? The rules of what has breasts and everything else you listed only applies to creatures that come from Earth. An alien specie has the ability to go completely against our typical rules of what 'mammals' would have vs. what an 'avian' creature would have.The Quarians don't even have DNA like ours its completly different so the idea we could look at their figure and say what they have based on that based on things we assume they'd have because we have examples of things that are found on OUR planet seems silly.

Tali; "And just what would you call these?"

[DoNotIngest]

Look, I'm not the one who applied Earth rules to it, this argument is just set within Earth rules. Considering Quarian body & facial structure is just a shade off of humans (with a couple more varied bits, like them awesome legs, toes & fingers), it's not unreasonable to look at it through Earth-tinted glasses.


Besides, if we just looked at it as "Well, they're alien, Earth-rules don't apply to them", it would kill all the fun of speculating; We could hardly guess anything. It's important to realize, however, that Bioware is going about most of Mass Effect in a Sciency manner, and much of ME slides by your common sense just fine, if you don't pull out your microscope. And Bioware only has experience with Earth life-forms, so it's safe to say that this speculating has a good chance of being accurate.




Edit: @Jacob

Shepard: Uhm... Err... I should go.

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 13 juin 2011 - 01:53 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I think my point was missed. Just because she has breats doesn't mean that she's a 'mammal' mainly because 'mammals' may not even excist on their planet. Quarians could be reptilians that lay eggs but also have breasts to nurse the young?

On Earth mammals have set rules that they follow: Have breasts, give live birth, have teeth ect. Reptiles lay eggs, are cold blooded ect.

We don't know what animal classifications were on the Quarian homeworld. For all we know all the creatures we think of as mammals, avian, reptilian, amphibian may be a mixed and match of all these things sharing different traits from each of these beings. Is what I'm saying clear now?

[Evil_Sarevok]

An elephant is a pretty bird that flits from bough to bough, it lays its eggs in a yum yum tree and whistles like a cow.

As much as that nonsence rhyme makes no sence, so far as I can see there is many things that are still open to debate, mainly due to lack of knowledge, afterall most lore for Quarians could be put together by community based ideas, due to development oversights, or whatnot, or could just be made up on the fly as and when we actually get to see more of the Quarian race, however, I do remember a conversation not so long ago... I'll be damned if I knew who said it, but it was stated once that Quarians are supposed to be very similar to humans, I dont think they will do anything drastic like lay eggs, and I doubt that anyone would have been there for Tali's birth if she was just an egg, afterall you watch for the hatching, not for the initial laying of your own avian/reptillian pets young. So I'm inclined to rule that out.

I'm thinking the differences might be rather subtle, and mainly the eyes, hands, feet, lower leg bending and a colour change in the face (which you'd have anyway due to lack of light exposure), maybe they will add other changes, like different facial querks and such but I dont think it will be that drastic.

[jacobOriley]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I think my point was missed. Just because she has breats doesn't mean that she's a 'mammal' mainly because 'mammals' may not even excist on their planet. Quarians could be reptilians that lay eggs but also have breasts to nurse the young?

On Earth mammals have set rules that they follow: Have breasts, give live birth, have teeth ect. Reptiles lay eggs, are cold blooded ect.

We don't know what animal classifications were on the Quarian homeworld. For all we know all the creatures we think of as mammals, avian, reptilian, amphibian may be a mixed and match of all these things sharing different traits from each of these beings. Is what I'm saying clear now?

Sure, anything is possible in the unknown alien universe, but man would still describe things by the classification system we have in place; including adding a new species that defies the current outline.

It does seem to me that the quarian race could be described and classified in our pesent scientific outline without the need to color too far outside of the lines. Or I could be very wrong. I think the devs intended the quarian's to be more like us than the turians ( for example ), but they haven't really been specific about it. So we have discussions like this where speculation reigns supreme!

[Faust1991]

jacobOriley wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

We do realise that the Quarians are an alien specie right? The rules of what has breasts and everything else you listed only applies to creatures that come from Earth. An alien specie has the ability to go completely against our typical rules of what 'mammals' would have vs. what an 'avian' creature would have.The Quarians don't even have DNA like ours its completly different so the idea we could look at their figure and say what they have based on that based on things we assume they'd have because we have examples of things that are found on OUR planet seems silly.

Tali; "And just what would you call these?"

Oh oh! arms?? No uh STEPS!, gah....eyes??? I give up =/

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I want to know if I'm the only one here that would prefer not to see what the Quarians look like?

I know this is yesturdays conversation but I want to know if I'm the only one that thinks removing the mystery around the Quarians will kind of ruin the fun of who they are? To me Tali is that purple dome with eyes behind it I would rather not see what she looks like behind the mask because I liked the person behind it.

Its sort of like seeing what 'V' looked like in V for vendetta. "There is a face behind this mask but that face is no more me than the muscle below that or the bone before that." Seeing who he was behind his mask wasn't needed because he was the mask that's who he was. I feel the same about them and showing them now at the end of the trilogy just seems un-needed and frankly silly to add it now and not in ME1 or 2.

[Capt_Flashheart]

I don't think Quarians lay eggs. The large hips of the Quarian women suggest that they give birth to live offspring. Perhaps the Quarians are mammal analogues. They have similar biological features to which serve similar functions to those in Earth mammals, though they might not be indentical in structure.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Calinstel wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I think my point was missed. Just because she has breats doesn't mean that she's a 'mammal' mainly because 'mammals' may not even excist on their planet. Quarians could be reptilians that lay eggs but also have breasts to nurse the young?

Admiral Shala'Raan stated that she herself took Tali from her mother and placed her in a bubble.  And mentioned that Tali cried.  This does imply a live birth by most peoples standards.

*Face palm*..... It was called an example it was not meant to be taken literally

[jacobOriley]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I want to know if I'm the only one here that would prefer not to see what the Quarians look like?

I know this is yesturdays conversation but I want to know if I'm the only one that thinks removing the mystery around the Quarians will kind of ruin the fun of who they are? To me Tali is that purple dome with eyes behind it I would rather not see what she looks like behind the mask because I liked the person behind it.

Its sort of like seeing what 'V' looked like in V for vendetta. "There is a face behind this mask but that face is no more me than the muscle below that or the bone before that." Seeing who he was behind his mask wasn't needed because he was the mask that's who he was. I feel the same about them and showing them now at the end of the trilogy just seems un-needed and frankly silly to add it now and not in ME1 or 2.

No you're not the only one. Personally I fall in the camp of those who would like to see bioware's "Tali", but I'm not going to pitch a fit if it doesn't happen. I guess I have my own 'vision' of what she looks like and I'm curious. I'd like it to be a reveal for those of us that have stuck with her since the beginning, but it's not my decision.

Your example of "V" makes sense and if you didn't want her to be revealed, I'd like that to be a choice you could make....even though I would choose differently.

[Evil_Sarevok]

I thought it was a bad example as well, hence why I called you on it with a nonsence rhyme.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Evil_Sarevok wrote...

I thought it was a bad example as well, hence why I called you on it with a nonsence rhyme.

 It was intended to be a funny example because we already know that they don't lay eggs...

Tell you what the next time I make a joke I'll be sure to put (THIS IS A JOKE) infront of it so theres no mistake and people don't go off and make paragraph long responses.

I wash my hands of this entire thing.

[Runescapeguy9]

And we're moving on....hopefully to something less..disputable..