A shirt with names on it, Tali being one, although I don't get itSomeone With Mass wrote...
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Tali'Zorah Thread *Spoiler warning!*
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 09:21
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Oh, wow.Runescapeguy9 wrote...
To add content, from a purely mechanical aspect I'd like Tali to have tech armor instead of AI hack because I don't need AI hack. But AI hack is far more thematic for her.
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 09:24
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I haven't seen that one in a while
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 09:26
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Her suit pattern is hexagonal in the game.Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
Is she wearing scalemail?
I have this theory that quarians are a base-6 people. Since that's what they can count on their fingers.
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 09:28
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I'd take Tech Armor over AI Hacking any day. But then Energy Drain would be a little useless.
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 09:28
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Hmmm.... i like thisNuclearBuddha wrote...
Her suit pattern is hexagonal in the game.Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
Is she wearing scalemail?
I have this theory that quarians are a base-6 people. Since that's what they can count on their fingers.
*imagines a child quarian counting to 6 on their fingers*
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 09:29
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NuclearBuddha wrote...
Her suit pattern is hexagonal in the game.
I have this theory that quarians are a base-6 people. Since that's what they can count on their fingers.
Ten/twelve if they count their toes.
Maybe their females are better at math that way.
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 09:32
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Raela: It's not fair! Father can count higher than me!
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 09:36
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I think I remember hearing a krogan saying "stupid base 10 math" in the original game.
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 09:40
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I don't know about Tali, but I thought I read something about Garrus being a romanceable character as a last-minute decision on BioWare's part. It was around the time when ME2 first came out.
If that's the case, then I guess I can see the problem.
Frankly, I could see Garrus' entire presence being a late decision based on fan feedback. The options in his loyalty mission come out to the exact same thing, he has fewer conversations than anyone else, he's nearly identical to Zaeed and Thane in combat, and could largely be removed without seriously screwing with the feel of the game. Great character, but not necessary.
Tali seemed like a much more premeditated addition, as she shows up early in ME2, is forced on your team early in ME1 and is unkillable (unlike Garrus, Wrex, Ashley/Kaiden, or Liara who comes later), and has plenty of dialogue. The loyalty mission seems to have been placed very purposefully for an important ME3 decision, and to help make an otherwise under-represented race more interesting. Her romance is also very well-developed in my opinion.
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 09:45
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What a shame that would have been! Though, an interesting wrinkle is that if you didn't recruit Garrus in ME1, you can't romance him in ME2, I think.Water Dumple wrote...
Frankly, I could see Garrus' entire presence being a late decision based on fan feedback. The options in his loyalty mission come out to the exact same thing, he has fewer conversations than anyone else, he's nearly identical to Zaeed and Thane in combat, and could largely be removed without seriously screwing with the feel of the game. Great character, but not necessary.
Tali seemed like a much more premeditated addition, as she shows up early in ME2, is forced on your team early in ME1 and is unkillable (unlike Garrus, Wrex, Ashley/Kaiden, or Liara who comes later), and has plenty of dialogue. The loyalty mission seems to have been placed very purposefully for an important ME3 decision, and to help make an otherwise under-represented race more interesting. Her romance is also very well-developed in my opinion.
Tali also appears to have been planned as an even earlier recruit, since she's got dialogue in all of the pre-Horizon missions (even has other characters acknowledging her). Though... She's got unique dialogue RE: Garrus in his recruitment mission. How do we square that?
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It can't have been super, super last minute given VA stuff and animations and ship design and a bunch of other stuff that isn't all that easy to stick in right before release. He may have been put in after Tali, but I don't think it was like five minutes before release or anything. I think he got underplayed because Bioware didn't expect him to be anywhere near this popular. I think they expected all the female players to go for Thane and Jacob and put Garrus in as a "why the hell not" option. That's why he has such skimpy amounts of content.
They knew Tali was popular from the get-go. I think her being an LI in ME2 was something that was decided on WAY back in development.
They knew Tali was popular from the get-go. I think her being an LI in ME2 was something that was decided on WAY back in development.
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 09:50
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I think Tali was always meant to be recruited after Freedom's Progress. But she did most likely get shuffled to after Horizon to give room for some of the newer characters to shine.
Shame because she has some pretty great bonus dialog.
Shame because she has some pretty great bonus dialog.
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 09:51
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I"m going off my memory here, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Tali had a very visible fanbase shortly after ME1's release. Bioware knew she went over well. There wasn't really a large Tali community as there is now, but they got the message that we wanted more. Garrus fans were a much smaller fanbase, and they tended to stick to FF.net and Deviantart, so they didn't get much noticed as much. During the run-up to ME2, they kinda came out of the woodworks and made their presence known.
Tali had a very visible fanbase shortly after ME1's release. Bioware knew she went over well. There wasn't really a large Tali community as there is now, but they got the message that we wanted more. Garrus fans were a much smaller fanbase, and they tended to stick to FF.net and Deviantart, so they didn't get much noticed as much. During the run-up to ME2, they kinda came out of the woodworks and made their presence known.
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 09:54
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There's no way they could win a conventional war. The geth have had 300 years to build up an army behind the Veil, the quarians have just been trying to survive. Only hope to take out those abominations is with some sort of viral attack or a massive multi-species army.Wolf Warden wrote...
Outfit Quarians with that and a war with the geth would go MUCH better for them.
Kal Reegar approves +50
Edit: I fully support trusting Tech-armor Tali to tactically take TIM down.
nice alliteration
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 09:55
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I think they knew Garrus was going to be somewhat popular. Since he appears all over the original Mass Effect's cover and in the trailers.
Tali was something they were surprised about getting so popular. If Hudson is telling the truth for once.
Tali was something they were surprised about getting so popular. If Hudson is telling the truth for once.
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 09:56
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I didn't pay attention to the run-up of ME2, so I can't comment on that. But there were a number of very long and vocal "Quarian Love" threads on the old forums post-ME1.Volrath937 wrote...
I"m going off my memory here, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Tali had a very visible fanbase shortly after ME1's release. Bioware knew she went over well. There wasn't really a large Tali community as there is now, but they got the message that we wanted more. Garrus fans were a much smaller fanbase, and they tended to stick to FF.net and Deviantart, so they didn't get much noticed as much. During the run-up to ME2, they kinda came out of the woodworks and made their presence known.
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 09:59
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NuclearBuddha wrote...
I didn't pay attention to the run-up of ME2, so I can't comment on that. But there were a number of very long and vocal "Quarian Love" threads on the old forums post-ME1.Volrath937 wrote...
I"m going off my memory here, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Tali had a very visible fanbase shortly after ME1's release. Bioware knew she went over well. There wasn't really a large Tali community as there is now, but they got the message that we wanted more. Garrus fans were a much smaller fanbase, and they tended to stick to FF.net and Deviantart, so they didn't get much noticed as much. During the run-up to ME2, they kinda came out of the woodworks and made their presence known.
This is surprising. It was the most under-represented plot-important race in the whole game, with Tali being the one and only member to even make an appearance. It became my favorite race alongside the Geth thanks to the extensive Codex, but not having any other Quarians shackled Tali to being a standard dictionary of backstory entries. Definitely glad they moved her in a more interesting direction in ME2, since they gave more time to the race in general.
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Actually, there was lots of general murmuring amongst female fans post ME1 that Kaidan was the only male option and that kind of sucked and the guys got a het alien option and we wanted one too. Hence, Thane. Then a Thane trailer got released in early 2009 and all kinds of girls came out of the woodwork because he looked like a viable malien option. Lots of them were Garrus fans who latched onto Thane because he seemed a more viable option. The Thane thread was on fire on the old forums but something like a third of all the posts in it had something to do with Garrus. There was this epic strip hug off meme that came from a dev of all people. I've seen threads requesting Garrus romance that go back at least two years, but there has been active constant demand for it since at least spring of 2009. Anyway, once it became apparent that Garrus was an LI lots of people (including me) jumped off the Thane ship and reverted to Garrus which is what we had really wanted to begin with.
But yes, Tali has always had an outspoken large fanbase ever since ME1. Garrus has had one since at least last summer but it was mixed up with Thane stuff. And there were tons who wanted it but didn't say it because they figured they would be wasting their breath. I think Bioware knew some people wanted it; they just didn't realize how many.
But yes, Tali has always had an outspoken large fanbase ever since ME1. Garrus has had one since at least last summer but it was mixed up with Thane stuff. And there were tons who wanted it but didn't say it because they figured they would be wasting their breath. I think Bioware knew some people wanted it; they just didn't realize how many.
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 10:02
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Tali went from having the least dialog in the original Mass Effect to probably the most in Mass Effect 2. Has to say something.
Though that is probably because of the logs on Heastrom and her dialog heavy loyalty mission. But they really seemed to enjoy working with Sroka.
Though that is probably because of the logs on Heastrom and her dialog heavy loyalty mission. But they really seemed to enjoy working with Sroka.
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 10:03
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I think Tali was always meant to be recruited after Freedom's Progress. But she did most likely get shuffled to after Horizon to give room for some of the newer characters to shine.
Shame because she has some pretty great bonus dialog.
Indeed. I could've done just fine without Samara.
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The Tali threads have always been very active and Tali fans very outspoken. Wasn't she actually supposed to be an LI in the first game but that got scrapped or something? I have heard some people say that and nobody has ever contradicted it.
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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
The Tali threads have always been very active and Tali fans very outspoken. Wasn't she actually supposed to be an LI in the first game but that got scrapped or something? I have heard some people say that and nobody has ever contradicted it.
Hudson said they considered her for a LI in the first game. But it had to have been really, really early in development for her to have even been considered.
But I think Hudson was just saying that due to Tali's huge fanbase.
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 10:08
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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
The Tali threads have always been very active and Tali fans very outspoken. Wasn't she actually supposed to be an LI in the first game but that got scrapped or something? I have heard some people say that and nobody has ever contradicted it.
I don't think that's neccessarily a bad thing, because then she'd be both a codex and a romance. Like Liara. Do not want.
