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[Andaius20]

Tali does lots of suit modifications....

[RiptideX1090]

Andaius20 wrote...



Tali does lots of suit modifications....

Yes she does...

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[PROKNIFER69]

im gonna have to pay more attention to quarians feet now.

[Andaius20]

She also went from pro to deluxe addition....

[RiptideX1090]

Andaius20 wrote...

She also went from pro to deluxe addition....

For those nights with Shepard...

[Andaius20]

I thought they did everything without the suit now....

[RiptideX1090]

Andaius20 wrote...

I thought they did everything without the suit now....

Tali has to recover from time to time. Can't have a fever ALL the time.

And... maybe there are other reasons...?

Experimenting with Shepard, maybe...

Nice and open to interpretation.

[MassDestroyer]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...

I thought they did everything without the suit now....

Tali has to recover from time to time. Can't have a fever ALL the time.

And... maybe there are other reasons...?

Experimenting with Shepard, maybe...

Nice and open to interpretation.

In my opinion yes
open to interpretation

[NuclearBuddha]

Andaius20 wrote...
I thought they did everything without the suit now....

It's been theorized that exposure to the same "allergen" over time will strengthen Tali's resistance to it.  But Shep is not exactly a static system.  He's going to be tracking in different stuff all the time.  Intimacy will remain dangerous to a greater or lesser degree.

So, something for the nights in recovery, as others have said.

[Mozer121]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...
I thought they did everything without the suit now....

It's been theorized that exposure to the same "allergen" over time will strengthen Tali's resistance to it.  But Shep is not exactly a static system.  He's going to be tracking in different stuff all the time.  Intimacy will remain dangerous to a greater or lesser degree.

So, something for the nights in recovery, as others have said.

Even the quiet ones have to relieve...tension...

[NuclearBuddha]

Mobius_118 wrote...

Wolf Warden wrote...


Is there a difference in toe placement on males/females/etc?  I never noticed such a thing...

Males lack the third toe, and Geth have a third toe on the inside.

Females have the third toe on the outside, and a few fan theories involve that toe.

Quarian Geographic!

[Nilfalasiel]

I'll cite "I got better...I got you" and "I've watched you for so long" as favourite lines from Tali. "It's fun to hear you shout" and "I have a shotgun" qualify as well.

Concerning who Tali would be friends with on the SR2...Miranda and Jacob are out ("don't forget to introduce yourself to the onboard AI" ). Jack is out, Thane is out, probably not so much on principle, rather than the fact that he sticks to himself most of the time. Grunt...what the hell do they have in common? Zaeed, no. Legion is probably a no-brainer.

I guess she'd get along well with Kasumi and Kelly, since they both seem to think she's sweet, and I think she might enjoy gossip. Oddly enough, I think she'd also get along with Samara, since they both know what it's like to sacrifice your personal interests for the sake of a greater purpose. Mordin would probably work too, since they both have a sciencey/nerdy slant. Other than that, Ken & Gabby, and Joker.

Also, since I've seen it mentioned, I'm not sure Garrus would get along with either Samara or Jacob. Samara does have the whole black & white thing down pat, but she also follows all her rules for their own sake, and that's something Garrus might disapprove of. As for Jacob, not only is he Cerberus, but when you dump him for either Garrus or Thane, he makes some pretty unnecessary personal attacks on them that show an anti-alien streak.

One more thing about Samara: you can hear all her lines without romancing her (or well, trying). Her "romance" starter is very clear, and only occurs in the last convo with her, I believe. In any case, it won't make you miss out on any major interactions with her. I wonder if it changes her "I wish to meditate" brush-off line though...

Concerning the pacing of the romances, Tali and Garrus definitely have the advantage of previously featuring in ME1. It's extremely important for both of them, since they're both based on trust. Garrus otherwise has very little dialogue (and it is true that you can't romance him if you didn't recruit him in ME1), and the level of trust Tali needs to achieve to consider romance wouldn't be believable with just ME2. Conversely, the other romances suffer from lack of time to develop the relationship. And this is especially problematic in Jack's case. I've been thinking about making a MaleShep for her, but I keep hearing very conflicting things, so I don't know whether I should try or not. I'd say lack of time is also a problem in Thane's case, but I hear it's not as bad (he definitely has less issues than Jack), so I'll just let my ThaneShep see for herself. And, of course, lack of time also serves to cheapen both Miranda's and Jacob's romances (but their romance scenes are also very guilty of this).

So yeah, I hope this is somehow addressed in ME3. I know we can't have everything, but I do feel it's an issue.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 17 septembre 2010 - 11:07 .

[Volrath937]

The way I see Tali's interactions with the crew:

Miranda: Cerberus

Jacob: Cerberus and made that AI crack, intentional or not

Jack: I don't think Jack really opens up if you don't romance her as a male, so Tali would probably avoid her.

Legion: She'd probably space it on a moments notice.

Zaeed: Keeps to himself.

Kasumi: Gal-pals.

Thane: Not much interaction, might find his profession distasteful.

Kelly: She'd have some interactions with her as the ship psychologist, could be a decent friend.

Samara: Not much interaction.

Garrus: Both on SR1, she knows he'll watch her back and vice-versa.

Grunt: Nothing in common.

Ken/Gabby: They'd grow on her.

Joker: Friendly.

Mordin: He's probably the one she went to for her antibiotics/herbal supplements/advice.

Shepard:



So she'd have Kasumi, Ken, Gabby, Joker, Garrus, (possibly Kelly) and Shepard to hang around with. Not too bad for a Cerberus ship.



I'll agree with you on pacing, but I think that's more of a technical limitation than anything else. I'm sure if Bioware had all the time and money in the world, Tali's romance would take multiple hours, slowing building up from a relationship built on mutual trust. I haven't done it, but what I hear about the Jack romance is that its less of a mutual thing, and more of Shepard coercing her into a relationship.

[Someone With Mass]

Okay, I really don't think that Tali would be so blind to space Legion so quickly. Even if she doesn't like him, she knows that he could be a valuable asset one way or another.



Seriously. Not all geth are bad.

[Volrath937]

To clarify, when I said "Space it on a moments notice" I meant "If Shepard gave the go ahead". She wouldn't kill it behind his back or for no reason. To be fair, Legion almost sparked a war that would've likely led to the extinction of the quarians. Given that every single geth we've met in ME1/2 except it has been hostile, it's probably a good idea to not blindly trust the first one that doesn't shoot. We, as players, have knowledge that the characters don't, we know that Legion isn't going to betray us and everything it says is the truth. As in-game characters, Tali and Shepard don't. Shepard trusting Legion to stay in the AI core based on one conversation really bugged me, but I get the feeling that it's not a common gripe.

[XCPTNL]

I actually think Tali and Legion are great together. I always like bringing Tali to Legion's mission and ending their dispute afterwards. After Legion agrees that he won't send the data she even offers to give him non critical data to send. I'd love to see them getting along with each other over time and act as somehow diplomatic representatives for their people to avoid a war between quarians and geth so they can instead form an alliance against the reapers in ME3.

[Nilfalasiel]

Volrath937 wrote...

So she'd have Kasumi, Ken, Gabby, Joker, Garrus, (possibly Kelly) and Shepard to hang around with. Not too bad for a Cerberus ship.

Guh, I forgot to include Garrus  I think she gets along with him fine as of ME2 (not so much ME1 though), but I don't interpret the "I have a shotgun" response as being playful. She genuinely sounds annoyed rather than amused, to me. That being said, I'm sure they accept each other a lot more than in ME1. Not BFFs, but people they know they can trust.

I'll agree with you on pacing, but I think that's more of a technical limitation than anything else. I'm sure if Bioware had all the time and money in the world, Tali's romance would take multiple hours, slowing building up from a relationship built on mutual trust. I haven't done it, but what I hear about the Jack romance is that its less of a mutual thing, and more of Shepard coercing her into a relationship.

Yeah, I seem to remember one of the developers also stating that they had lots of material planned for the romance scenes that they had to cut out...

...ME2 Director's Cut, anyone?

Concerning the Jack romance, my TaliShep actually stumbled into it by accident. He said that he didn't want sex and that he wasn't looking for a relationship. I thought this might actually work, but noooo...the very next convo he had with her was "pick me or Tali". Since I'd saved right before that just to play it safe, I reloaded, and never spoke to Jack again on that playthrough. It didn't sound all that coercive to me up to that point. It's just that the game doesn't acknowledge that you just want to be friends. But maybe it gets worse afterwards, who knows.

[Someone With Mass]

I wouldn't mind that material being made into a DLC. I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

[Eldareus]

Comments to many subjects brought up in this great thread.

Depending on the players decisions, I see Tali's and Legion's relationship can serve as a means to bridge the divide between the two races or as the flashpoint and start of the war between the two races, with one race attempting genocide on the other.

As far as the extra toe on female Quarians my guess the extra toe aids the females during their gestational period allowing them to maintain their balance while carry their baby's extra weight.

Tali has the most elaborate pattern on her head covering whereas all the other females have a generic pattern. It might be the only way to help the player pick out Tali in a crowd of other Quarians.

I really do hope Tali returns as a significant team member in ME3. It would not be the same game experience without her or Garrus for that matter.

It was her "I been watching you for so long" dialog that really sold it for me. That whole moment proves just how loving and devoted she is towards Shepard. Feelings she has had for a very long time it seems.

Modifié par Eldareus, 17 septembre 2010 - 02:36 .

[Someone With Mass]

The moment in the romance I like the most is my right sig GIF. She knows that it might not work between them, and as the selfless character she is, she wants Shepard to be happy and not be distracted or limited because of her.



I think it was so well done, because it's one of the few moments in the game where I almost had teary eyes.

[NuclearBuddha]

mrsph wrote...
Jacob: You sure have a mean streak, don't you?

I never knew Jacob said that about Tali!

Is this from the Lia'Vael thing?

That's hilarious.

[ciaweth]

I am fond of Tali's mean streak.