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[Giggles_Manically]

Yah I dont like how people say "People just can survive a suicide mission" or that a charachter needs to die to move a story forward.



I just dont get the reasoning behind why people must die to make a better story, or make something dramatic. I found the SM to be very dramatic even without deaths.

[Homebound]

After playing lotSB, anybody else get the impression that Tali is using her stim-pro deluxe app when she's cuddling with you on the bed?

[Wolf Warden]

Just_mike wrote...

After playing lotSB, anybody else get the impression that Tali is using her stim-pro deluxe app when she's cuddling with you on the bed?

Probably not - Shep seems to be relaxing.  If Tali is nerve-stimming it up he would not be falling asleep, he would be more of a ...team player.

[FsDxRAGE]

mrsph wrote...

The romances seem to have a character arc going for them so far. Tali's, for instance, seems to be giving her a home.

after Liara's line, I hope

[Wolf Warden]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

mrsph wrote...

The romances seem to have a character arc going for them so far. Tali's, for instance, seems to be giving her a home.

after Liara's line, I hope

Same here - Mordin talked about putting a personal face to the Reaper conflict, its hard to anthropomorphize the galaxy but he is fighting for his favorite nephew.

I'm fighting to give Tali a homeworld (and for life in general too)

[Shadowomega23]

So if they keep the trend going after LotSB it will likely be something with the Virmira Survior Ash/Kaiden. After that they might hit something up about Clan Urdnot, then I can see then doing something with the Dark Energy inside Heastroms Sun, which will likely require Tali, and or Legion; then again even that Detective From Noveria. Though I kind of hope they follow though with mission packs dealing with each of the Normandy Crew. If it is taking back the Quarian Homeworld for example it could likely require both Tali and Legion. Though even you go the pargon route it is likely to be another court room attaire while renegade would be all out assault on the Geth central Data Storage. Hopefully BW avoids any overlap in charactor stories.

[Pacifien]

I don't understand why so many people seem to not treat the face model behind the mask as simply a placeholder for the actual quarian face. It provides some dimension behind a somewhat transparent mask, but that doesn't mean the face is going to fit those exact proportions. The Bioware artists are probably constantly modifying how the quarians look even to this day, otherwise we'd have been given a more detailed explanation of their body type. And no, nose, mouth and ears doesn't really fit what I'd call "detailed." I could take that description and draw a drell.

[Someone With Mass]

mrsph wrote...

The romances seem to have a character arc going for them so far. Tali's, for instance, seems to be giving her a home.

I just hope they can live up to that promise.

[LordPennlocke]

Regardless of how they look, Tali has those beautiful bioluminescent eyes that seem to just bore into the soul lol. Shepard definitely liked what he saw under her helmet, that should be enough reason to not worry about how her placeholder face looks like, but that's human nature. When I first saw the video showing what she looked like under her helmet during gameplay, I was like "Who cares?" It's her personality that makes her endearing to many true fans.

Modifié par LordPennlocke, 18 septembre 2010 - 02:22 .

[Wolf Warden]

Someone With Mass wrote...

mrsph wrote...

The romances seem to have a character arc going for them so far. Tali's, for instance, seems to be giving her a home.

I just hope they can live up to that promise.

I hope Shepard can live up to that promise.

[LordPennlocke]

Wolf Warden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

mrsph wrote...

The romances seem to have a character arc going for them so far. Tali's, for instance, seems to be giving her a home.

I just hope they can live up to that promise.

I hope Shepard can live up to that promise.

With the assistance of Legion, the geth have been cleaning up Rannoch and  the other worlds since the Morning War in preparation for the 'Creators' return. Shepard has pretty much taken up her father's promise as his own.

[Pacifien]

Calinstel wrote...
I fully understand what a placeholder is.  The issue I was referrencing was the elongated nose on the male quarian.  Some had mentioned it might be a longer face.  I was just indicating that the same placeholder is used for both male and female.  But one does not use a square as a placeholder for a dodecahedron.  There will be differences but not as great as some hope for.

But this is what I don't understand. The face could be rather long if the developers want it to be so. How the Batarians are described in the book, even their original design in the codex, was completely redone, leaving just the four eyes as the link between the new look and old.

So when people say that Tali's face (and now Veetor's or Reegar's) must conform to the dimensions we see in the placeholder, I don't see why. Their faces could be longer, they could have long hair, they could have tentacles, they could have incredibly awkward slim faces. I can see the developers leaning toward a certain aesthetic that aligns somewhat around the dimensions of a human face (leaning more toward drell than asari, preferably), but they really have the leeway to do just about anything up until the very second the face is revealed behind the mask within the game.

I do lean toward the more alien approach because that's something about science fiction that does appeal to me. Design the aliens first then the personality, because I have a feeling if they had done it the other way around, intending Garrus to be a love interest from the start, we would have never gotten that great Turian design.

I also understand why someone would tone the alien approach way down. This was likely done on purpose with the asari, as the developers knew they intended the asari to be love interests. I don't like it, but I understand it.

I don't romance Tali, so having her look appealing to my eyes has never been an issue. Again, I know many people who do romance Tali are drawn to her personality and give little thought to what is behind the mask -- for all purposes, her mask is the face to them. But now that Tali is a love interest, I'm not going to believe any design for the quarians was not influenced by the romance factor. Even if they did have an idea of what they should look like going back to ME1, that design has likely been modified or redone much as the Batarians were.

Really, my point in the beginning was that the placeholder behind the mask has never worked as an argument for me as to what dimensions and features the face should actually take.

It's used quite often in debates about what the quarians should look at, but the problem with making your argument in the debate work is that the other person has to accept certain truths. I don't and won't accept the face model argument. So it's hard for me to understand those who would.

[Someone With Mass]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

mrsph wrote...
She already has a home. And it is called the Normandy.

A real home. Not one that has a huge cannon on the front of it.

I think she'd grow sick of that home pretty quick, when she knows that there's a far better and bigger home out there, just waiting to be reclaimed.

[Pacifien]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

mrsph wrote...
She already has a home. And it is called the Normandy.

A real home. Not one that has a huge cannon on the front of it.

I've traveled much in my life, and the one thing I've learned from all that travel is that home is wherever you are, whatever you make of it, with whoever you're with. It's as real as any other.

Which probably explains my view on the whole colonization/homeworld debate. Rannoch might have been their homeworld, but it doesn't have to be their home. Just as those who were born and raised on Eden Prime shouldn't feel lost because they've never been to Earth.

I think of Rannoch as more an ideal and a dream in the quarians' minds now. It is a symbol of better times, easier times than what they face in the day-to-day trials of maintaining the Migrant Fleet. It's a symbol of freedom, from persecution and from their situation. When Tali talks about returning home, her voice is almost of desperation of being able to live free of the suit more than returning to the place of the quarian's origins.