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I do wonder why they sent Tali of all people to retrieve Veetor. Makes me think Veetor may be the son of another important quarian.

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That's actually a good point: can quarians on pilgrimage who get into trouble expect a rescue? Tali certainly didn't seem to expect it.



Though, when you think about it, it seems natural that the quarians would try. Maybe the reason we don't hear about it is because in general the Flotilla doesn't know exactly where most of the pilgrims are. They specifically knew where Veetor was, and had reason to believe he wouldn't leave the area.

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It would only really be feasible in a situation where immediate help isn't required. I think Tali or a codex mentions something about how the Flotilla doesn't always have an reliable extranet connection, so any SOS message would be picked up the next time the Flotilla picked up a connection.



Which raises the question: If Veetor was signaling for an evac when the Collectors came, how did the quarians get the message, find Tali, put a rescue team together, get them on a ship, put them through the relay, and land on to Freedom's Progress ahead of Shepard?



The way the Illusive Man phrases it, the colony had just gone dark when Shepard arrived.

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Tali has telekinesis

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thepaladin1 wrote...

Tali has telekinesis

Biotic telekinesis or Ermac telekinesis?

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Mass Effect field telekinesis.

edit: Wait. That is biotics. :P

Modifié par mrsph, 19 septembre 2010 - 12:07 .


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mrsph wrote...

Mass Effect field telekinesis.

edit: Wait. That is biotics. :P

That took you 33 minutes to realize? Lol.
While it is rare, the conversation in the elevator with Tali confirmed there are quarian biotics. Enemies are glad Tali isn't one, because she would kick even more butt.

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Just doing Tali's LM with my ThaneShep, and talking to Shala again confirms that the bubbles for children are mobile units, not rooms. Tali says that parents need them to be able to take children out of the sterile rooms. And Shala calls them "environmental units".

It's a detail, but I remember discussing this, so there ya go.

Also, they don't seem to be consistent with the 3rd toe: quite a few of the generic female quarian models don't have one.

And Volrath, you bring up a good point. Now that I think about it, it's kinda implausible how fast Tali's team managed to get to Freedom's Progress....Posted Image

Then again, Veetor would've probably signalled the Fleet as soon as the Collectors arrived. He might've gotten lucky with his extranet connection. TIM would only have known about the attack once people noticed that the colony wasn't responding anymore. It's not a very big time difference, but it's pretty much the only thing that can justify Tali's team getting there before Shepard.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 19 septembre 2010 - 12:24 .


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Ironically, Tali not having biotics makes her more unique compared to most of the squad in Mass Effect 2. Aren't like half of them a biotic in some form?

Hell. Tali, Ashley, and Garrus are the only love interests in the game who don't have biotics.

edit: I think quarians missing the third toe is a design oversight. 

Modifié par mrsph, 19 septembre 2010 - 12:23 .


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NuclearBuddha wrote...

That's actually a good point: can quarians on pilgrimage who get into trouble expect a rescue? Tali certainly didn't seem to expect it.

Though, when you think about it, it seems natural that the quarians would try. Maybe the reason we don't hear about it is because in general the Flotilla doesn't know exactly where most of the pilgrims are. They specifically knew where Veetor was, and had reason to believe he wouldn't leave the area.


I think Veetor may have been a special case since he was mentally unstable.  So maybe handicapped quarians get a bit of a break.

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mrsph wrote...
edit: I think quarians missing the third toe is a design oversight. 

Save a bit of space. Who on the console would spend their time looking at toes?

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Runescapeguy9 wrote...

mrsph wrote...
edit: I think quarians missing the third toe is a design oversight. 

Save a bit of space. Who on the console would spend their time looking at toes?


*cough*
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Well, I just wanted to check...

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Nilfalasiel wrote...
*cough*
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Well, I just wanted to check...

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They are there. Anything else I can help with?

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Runescapeguy9 wrote...

They are there. Anything else I can help with?


Lol, I know they're there on Tali. But I've been mulling over why the males wouldn't have them, and I decided to check if maybe it wasn't a case of saving space, as mrsph said: generic models didn't get them, and more important NPCs did. So I noticed that some generic females didn't have them either. But then, neither Koris nor Gerrel had them, while Xen and Raan did, so that pretty much confirms that males don't have them at all.

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You guys think Tali will change her name to Tali'Zorah nar Rayya vas Rannoch if we get the quarian homeworld back?

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mrsph wrote...

You guys think Tali will change her name to Tali'Zorah nar Rayya vas Rannoch if we get the quarian homeworld back?


That depends on whether quarians had the whole "nar/vas" system before they were forced to live on ships, and they used it to designate the city they came from or the planet they lived on. If they did, it's possible. But if they didn't, and it's just a commodity they created for living on the Fleet, then probably not.

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Nilfalasiel wrote...

That depends on whether quarians had the whole "nar/vas" system before they were forced to live on ships, and they used it to designate the city they came from or the planet they lived on. If they did, it's possible. But if they didn't, and it's just a commodity they created for living on the Fleet, then probably not.

Something in LotSB made reference to a quarian with the name vas Rannoch. Forget where it was though.

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Kasumi's dossier mentions that she has an old book of poems by a quarian poet whose name ends in vas Rannoch.

I think they may have used the Nar/Vas system to refer to cities and such before they achieved space travel and then switched it up to different worlds. So I can probably see her changing her name one last time to end with vas Rannoch.

edit: Guess that makes my canon Shepard this: Manjubala nar Earth vas Normandy :P

Modifié par mrsph, 19 septembre 2010 - 01:15 .


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mrsph wrote...

Kasumi's dossier mentions that she has an old book of poems by a quarian poet whose name ends in vas Rannoch.

I think they may have used the Nar/Vas system to refer to cities and such before they achieved space travel and then switched it up to different worlds. So I can probably see her changing her name one last time to end with vas Rannoch.


Ah ok. In that case, I agree, I can see Tali changing her name. 

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If you think about it, 17 million quarians really isn't enough to maintain a planet built to be inhabited by billions. If Rannoch is retaken the peaceful way and the geth leave, because having them stay is just asking for trouble, who's going to maintain all the empty buildings? All the non-populated areas would just sit there and rot.

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Volrath937 wrote...

If you think about it, 17 million quarians really isn't enough to maintain a planet built to be inhabited by billions. If Rannoch is retaken the peaceful way and the geth leave, because having them stay is just asking for trouble, who's going to maintain all the empty buildings? All the non-populated areas would just sit there and rot.


I think the quarians would rebuild slowly.  I don't think they would scatter to the winds as soon as they landed.  And do the geth really maintain everything?  They certainly weren't maintaining Haestrom. I took it more like they maintained certain sites of particular interest.  The quarians could probably manage that.

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I think the quarians would rebuild slowly.  I don't think they would scatter to the winds as soon as they landed.  And do the geth really maintain everything?  They certainly weren't maintaining Haestrom. I took it more like they maintained certain sites of particular interest.  The quarians could probably manage that.

They'd pretty much have to locate their entire population within a single "country" or however they defined borders. I'm not sure what the geth do, I usually scrap Legion for cash.  The way I figured it, the geth are maintaining Rannoch as that is what they were built for, they're not able to overwrite those sections of their programming. The quarian colonies that came after probably weren't given that level of priority in their code. Or I'm completely wrong, either way. Even if the geth don't maintain everything, it's kind of a bitter-sweet victory for the paragons. You win the Reaper War, make peace with the geth, take Rannoch back for Tali, build her a house, and then you both get to live in the ruins of a once great people. 

Modifié par Volrath937, 19 septembre 2010 - 01:54 .


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Heastrom was in heretic territory. And I doubt they would care about maintaining the planet anymore.

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Well, rebuilding takes time. I don't think the quarians were under any delusions to the contrary. And ruins or not I think they would take a fierce pride in being back. I mean it's not like we think less of the Coliseum or the Pyramids because they are old run-down buildings that are now useless or that the cultures who built them are gone. We still look at them as monuments to human history and innovation. There is something kind of sad about them, but there is still pride and wonder there as well.

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mrsph wrote...

Heastrom was in heretic territory. And I doubt they would care about maintaining the planet anymore.

Not Like Heastrom was dazzling. I was too busy spraying Tempest bullets at geth to notice anything Amazing... Besides a homicidal sun... kinda hard to miss that.. Last Place I'd take Tali.