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[AventuroLegendary]

Someone With Mass wrote...

mrsph wrote...

How Tali hasn't become a gibbering lunatic from having to wear that thing nearly her whole life is beyond me.

Just the inability to scratch my nose would drive me nuts.

I guess they're going through some sort of psychological training before putting the suits on for the first time.

Don't astronauts go through psychological training? Considering the fact really haven't gone used to it starting the job?

[camoboy_19]

Someone With Mass wrote...

mrsph wrote...

How Tali hasn't become a gibbering lunatic from having to wear that thing nearly her whole life is beyond me.

Just the inability to scratch my nose would drive me nuts.

I guess they're going through some sort of psychological training before putting the suits on for the first time.

Didnt think of that. What if they had a serious itch on their face, and the faceplate and all. Is there an App for that?

[Thundertactics]

Someone With Mass wrote...

mrsph wrote...

How Tali hasn't become a gibbering lunatic from having to wear that thing nearly her whole life is beyond me.

Just the inability to scratch my nose would drive me nuts.

I guess they're going through some sort of psychological training before putting the suits on for the first time.

Everyone's doing it, they've never experienced touching anything with their bare hands, smell anything (they get put in a bubble/clean room right away) or see other people's faces. They really don't know what they're missing, the suit would signify freedom of movement, and would become as much a part of their body as their actual skin.

Though after her pilgrimage, she's certainly started to loathe her situation. She makes this very clear when you decide to be a douche and take the paragon options on the Alarei before finding her dad.

I also reckon that either they don't get the urge to scratch parts of their body, or they've undergone treatment that suppresses that feeling.

[AventuroLegendary]

Thundertactics wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

mrsph wrote...

How Tali hasn't become a gibbering lunatic from having to wear that thing nearly her whole life is beyond me.

Just the inability to scratch my nose would drive me nuts.

I guess they're going through some sort of psychological training before putting the suits on for the first time.

Everyone's doing it, they've never experienced touching anything with their bare hands, smell anything (they get put in a bubble/clean room right away) or see other people's faces. They really don't know what they're missing, the suit would signify freedom of movement, and would become as much a part of their body as their actual skin.

Though after her pilgrimage, she's certainly started to loathe her situation. She makes this very clear when you decide to be a douche and take the paragon options on the Alarei before finding her dad.

I also reckon that either they don't get the urge to scratch parts of their body, or they've undergone treatment that suppresses that feeling.

Well suited life is better than staying in the flotilla in a bubble all your life I suppose.

[nickFury]

Volrath937 wrote...

I saw the dossier as unnecessary sexualization intended as humor and insight into her mind. The fact that there's no flags on which part of that dossier show up for anyone doesn't help. But what's done is done, the shame is that the other 2 dossiers are overshadowed by a masturbation joke. Her naivety regarding the Shadow Broker was a cool flashback, and reading her trying to write the letters of condolence tugged at my heartstrings.

Everyone seems to interpret the nerve sstims as some kind of masturbation tool. That Idea honestly never entered my head untill I heard it in the forums. What I actually thought it was (and this was probably the intent) was that it was a system to allow the quarian to experiance sensations from external stimuli more acutely than just through the suit granted this would also translate into something sexual take VGQ and FZT for example. But the main thing that I got from the dossier was that TAli was exploring her options in how to be with shepard as safe as possible which I feel is supported by the human vids she downloaded. After doing her reserch and realising how much she and shep cared for each other she decided the real thing was worth the risk.

[camoboy_19]

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

Thundertactics wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

mrsph wrote...

How Tali hasn't become a gibbering lunatic from having to wear that thing nearly her whole life is beyond me.

Just the inability to scratch my nose would drive me nuts.

I guess they're going through some sort of psychological training before putting the suits on for the first time.

Everyone's doing it, they've never experienced touching anything with their bare hands, smell anything (they get put in a bubble/clean room right away) or see other people's faces. They really don't know what they're missing, the suit would signify freedom of movement, and would become as much a part of their body as their actual skin.

Though after her pilgrimage, she's certainly started to loathe her situation. She makes this very clear when you decide to be a douche and take the paragon options on the Alarei before finding her dad.

I also reckon that either they don't get the urge to scratch parts of their body, or they've undergone treatment that suppresses that feeling.

Well suited life is better than staying in the flotilla in a bubble all your life I suppose.

No kidding. Theres still that sadness in their limitations on their sense of feel. Really puts it into perspective.

[camoboy_19]

nickFury wrote...

Volrath937 wrote...

I saw the dossier as unnecessary sexualization intended as humor and insight into her mind. The fact that there's no flags on which part of that dossier show up for anyone doesn't help. But what's done is done, the shame is that the other 2 dossiers are overshadowed by a masturbation joke. Her naivety regarding the Shadow Broker was a cool flashback, and reading her trying to write the letters of condolence tugged at my heartstrings.

Everyone seems to interpret the nerve sstims as some kind of masturbation tool. That Idea honestly never entered my head untill I heard it in the forums. What I actually thought it was (and this was probably the intent) was that it was a system to allow the quarian to experiance sensations from external stimuli more acutely than just through the suit granted this would also translate into something sexual take VGQ and FZT for example. But the main thing that I got from the dossier was that TAli was exploring her options in how to be with shepard as safe as possible which I feel is supported by the human vids she downloaded. After doing her reserch and realising how much she and shep cared for each other she decided the real thing was worth the risk.

When I read the dossiers it made me regret more how you couldn't romance Tali in the first Mass Effect. You can plainly see How she felt about Shepard. I agree on the nerve stimulants though. I think it can be intentionally sexual, but theres more perspective put behind it while with Tali on the Flotilla, on how humans can so simply pick a flower, and experience it through senses, while Quarians cant have the same experience.

[nickFury]

camoboy_19 wrote...

nickFury wrote...

Volrath937 wrote...

I saw the dossier as unnecessary sexualization intended as humor and insight into her mind. The fact that there's no flags on which part of that dossier show up for anyone doesn't help. But what's done is done, the shame is that the other 2 dossiers are overshadowed by a masturbation joke. Her naivety regarding the Shadow Broker was a cool flashback, and reading her trying to write the letters of condolence tugged at my heartstrings.

Everyone seems to interpret the nerve sstims as some kind of masturbation tool. That Idea honestly never entered my head untill I heard it in the forums. What I actually thought it was (and this was probably the intent) was that it was a system to allow the quarian to experiance sensations from external stimuli more acutely than just through the suit granted this would also translate into something sexual take VGQ and FZT for example. But the main thing that I got from the dossier was that TAli was exploring her options in how to be with shepard as safe as possible which I feel is supported by the human vids she downloaded. After doing her reserch and realising how much she and shep cared for each other she decided the real thing was worth the risk.

When I read the dossiers it made me regret more how you couldn't romance Tali in the first Mass Effect. You can plainly see How she felt about Shepard. I agree on the nerve stimulants though. I think it can be intentionally sexual, but theres more perspective put behind it while with Tali on the Flotilla, on how humans can so simply pick a flower, and experience it through senses, while Quarians cant have the same experience.

Indeed but I think the actual quality of the romance went up haveing it in ME2 rather than 1. Also on the last bit, this stuff realy makes me appreciate my life and the quality there of. BW has got some mad skills when they can make a story and characters that help me appreciate reality more and open my perspective.

[Volrath937]

nickFury wrote...

Everyone seems to interpret the nerve sstims as some kind of masturbation tool. That Idea honestly never entered my head untill I heard it in the forums. What I actually thought it was (and this was probably the intent) was that it was a system to allow the quarian to experiance sensations from external stimuli more acutely than just through the suit granted this would also translate into something sexual take VGQ and FZT for example. But the main thing that I got from the dossier was that TAli was exploring her options in how to be with shepard as safe as possible which I feel is supported by the human vids she downloaded. After doing her reserch and realising how much she and shep cared for each other she decided the real thing was worth the risk.

Well, they are called "nerve stimulation programs" and not "nerve simulation programs". The volus on Illium is getting some installed in his suit, but he wants them compatible with an asari, so it's likely they work both ways. That's one way to look at it, it's vague enough to work with any interpretation. Beside, Tali's needs to have something she can do with Shepard between out-of-suit nights. 

Indeed but I think the actual quality of the romance went up haveing it in ME2 rather than 1. Also on the last bit, this stuff realy makes me appreciate my life and the quality there of. BW has got some mad skills when they can make a story and characters that help me appreciate reality more and open my perspective.

Who would of figured that the fan demanded romance would be the best one?

Modifié par Volrath937, 19 septembre 2010 - 04:29 .

[camoboy_19]

nickFury wrote...

camoboy_19 wrote...

nickFury wrote...

Volrath937 wrote...

I saw the dossier as unnecessary sexualization intended as humor and insight into her mind. The fact that there's no flags on which part of that dossier show up for anyone doesn't help. But what's done is done, the shame is that the other 2 dossiers are overshadowed by a masturbation joke. Her naivety regarding the Shadow Broker was a cool flashback, and reading her trying to write the letters of condolence tugged at my heartstrings.

Everyone seems to interpret the nerve sstims as some kind of masturbation tool. That Idea honestly never entered my head untill I heard it in the forums. What I actually thought it was (and this was probably the intent) was that it was a system to allow the quarian to experiance sensations from external stimuli more acutely than just through the suit granted this would also translate into something sexual take VGQ and FZT for example. But the main thing that I got from the dossier was that TAli was exploring her options in how to be with shepard as safe as possible which I feel is supported by the human vids she downloaded. After doing her reserch and realising how much she and shep cared for each other she decided the real thing was worth the risk.

When I read the dossiers it made me regret more how you couldn't romance Tali in the first Mass Effect. You can plainly see How she felt about Shepard. I agree on the nerve stimulants though. I think it can be intentionally sexual, but theres more perspective put behind it while with Tali on the Flotilla, on how humans can so simply pick a flower, and experience it through senses, while Quarians cant have the same experience.

Indeed but I think the actual quality of the romance went up haveing it in ME2 rather than 1. Also on the last bit, this stuff realy makes me appreciate my life and the quality there of. BW has got some mad skills when they can make a story and characters that help me appreciate reality more and open my perspective.

The stalling of the romance until ME2 (and beyond hopefully) made it more worthwhile, But I was still bummed in ME1 when Tali couldnt be my LI. I then had to pick between Xenophobe and Potentially Crazy Asari (Answer: neither). And yeah, Bioware is one of my favorite companies. Wouldnt kill me to get a job there, lol

[camoboy_19]

mrsph wrote...

Not having any kind of sensation on your skin ever is probably not good for your health. Nerve stims could also be used a form of therapy.

Good addition, havent thought of that.

[nickFury]

Volrath937 wrote...

nickFury wrote...

Everyone seems to interpret the nerve sstims as some kind of masturbation tool. That Idea honestly never entered my head untill I heard it in the forums. What I actually thought it was (and this was probably the intent) was that it was a system to allow the quarian to experiance sensations from external stimuli more acutely than just through the suit granted this would also translate into something sexual take VGQ and FZT for example. But the main thing that I got from the dossier was that TAli was exploring her options in how to be with shepard as safe as possible which I feel is supported by the human vids she downloaded. After doing her reserch and realising how much she and shep cared for each other she decided the real thing was worth the risk.

Well, they are called "nerve stimulation programs" and not "nerve simulation programs". The volus on Illium is getting some installed in his suit, but he wants them compatible with an asari, so it's likely they work both ways. That's one way to look at it, it's vague enough to work with any interpretation. Beside, Tali's needs to have something she can do with Shepard between out-of-suit nights. 

Oh I agree I was just surprised that so many people seemed to have sex toy be the first thing they think of. Like in my mind say Tali is touch ing a rough wall or a tree or something with her glove, with out the stimulators she would feel some presse maybey a few bumps where there are surface protrusions. With them on she would feel a whole lot more like the actual texture of the surface the scraping sensation as she drags her hand along it. Bassicly it would be a rough interpretation of what it would feel like with out the suit.

[camoboy_19]

nickFury wrote...

Volrath937 wrote...

nickFury wrote...

Everyone seems to interpret the nerve sstims as some kind of masturbation tool. That Idea honestly never entered my head untill I heard it in the forums. What I actually thought it was (and this was probably the intent) was that it was a system to allow the quarian to experiance sensations from external stimuli more acutely than just through the suit granted this would also translate into something sexual take VGQ and FZT for example. But the main thing that I got from the dossier was that TAli was exploring her options in how to be with shepard as safe as possible which I feel is supported by the human vids she downloaded. After doing her reserch and realising how much she and shep cared for each other she decided the real thing was worth the risk.

Well, they are called "nerve stimulation programs" and not "nerve simulation programs". The volus on Illium is getting some installed in his suit, but he wants them compatible with an asari, so it's likely they work both ways. That's one way to look at it, it's vague enough to work with any interpretation. Beside, Tali's needs to have something she can do with Shepard between out-of-suit nights. 

Oh I agree I was just surprised that so many people seemed to have sex toy be the first thing they think of. Like in my mind say Tali is touch ing a rough wall or a tree or something with her glove, with out the stimulators she would feel some presse maybey a few bumps where there are surface protrusions. With them on she would feel a whole lot more like the actual texture of the surface the scraping sensation as she drags her hand along it. Bassicly it would be a rough interpretation of what it would feel like with out the suit.

Couldn't agree more. Would hate the vagueness of touch through the suit. If I was a quarian, I'd hardly contain myself with the new sensation. Its kinda like Quarian -> sense of touch is similar to Human -> being able to fly by own power.

[Volrath937]

nickFury wrote...
Oh I agree I was just surprised that so many people seemed to have sex toy be the first thing they think of. Like in my mind say Tali is touch ing a rough wall or a tree or something with her glove, with out the stimulators she would feel some presse maybey a few bumps where there are surface protrusions. With them on she would feel a whole lot more like the actual texture of the surface the scraping sensation as she drags her hand along it. Bassicly it would be a rough interpretation of what it would feel like with out the suit.

The context in which we first hear of the things makes it kind of...less than ambiguous. A way of allowing Tali to "feel" a simulation of whatever her suit is touching would be an incredible feat of programming. Sensors would need to essentially cover the entire suit, the program itself would need to be able to tap into her nervous system to recreate the feel, and  the algorithms that interpret the sensor data would just be...mind-boggling to write. If such a thing existed, my Shepard would hunt to the ends of the galaxy to get it for her though.

[camoboy_19]

Volrath937 wrote...

nickFury wrote...
Oh I agree I was just surprised that so many people seemed to have sex toy be the first thing they think of. Like in my mind say Tali is touch ing a rough wall or a tree or something with her glove, with out the stimulators she would feel some presse maybey a few bumps where there are surface protrusions. With them on she would feel a whole lot more like the actual texture of the surface the scraping sensation as she drags her hand along it. Bassicly it would be a rough interpretation of what it would feel like with out the suit.

The context in which we first hear of the things makes it kind of...less than ambiguous. A way of allowing Tali to "feel" a simulation of whatever her suit is touching would be an incredible feat of programming. Sensors would need to essentially cover the entire suit, the program itself would need to be able to tap into her nervous system to recreate the feel, and  the algorithms that interpret the sensor data would just be...mind-boggling to write. If such a thing existed, my Shepard would hunt to the ends of the galaxy to get it for her though.

Would be perfect for Tali gift if ME3 had a little of DA:O thrown into it

[Spartanburger]

I have had this theory that the Qarian suits are the most advanced suits in existence. They spend literally their entire life in them, rarely leaving it. The suit would probably be modular in design (as to allow for easy replacement of malfunction parts or parts that have grown too small). It would have a much more sophisticated HUD designed to display more than the rudimentary data like vital signs, shields, and basic sensory data. A form of internal cleaning would be required too. I would expect a direct neural connection too for some emergency things. 
I've thinking about this and I think that the suit could easily be modified so that you would not need to use the omni-tool interface on your hand. Small sensors in the helmet would be able to sense movements and gestures by the eyes allowing for a user to go through data and probably even hack stuff without needing both hands for the omni-tool (one holds the omni-tool, the other would normally fiddle with it).

I'd like to see a situation where the squad is at gunpoint and Tali, without moving and giving herself away by visually activating the omni-tool in her hand, gains control of the power to the room. Lights are cut. The dudes that were holding them can't see anything and fire blindly. Tali's upgraded external sensors display the heat signatures of everyone on her HUD. Knife time! 
The lights turn back on and Shepard and the other squad member see Tali standing as if nothing happened but with blood on her visor and hands, her knife back in its holder on her leg, standing in the middle of a pile of cut bodies.
Tali (in a slightly annoyed tone): "What are you looking at?"



Hold on let me write this down.

[AventuroLegendary]

Quarians probably have a kind of "itch-relief". I'm not sure if their suits are "comfortable".

[Eldareus]

Excellent Observations about the nerve stimulation programs. I guess the confusion about the purpose of the program is introduced where you listen into the conversation between the Quarian and Turian at the lounge in Illium. The conversation implies the nerve stimulation is used for sexuality only, however I would think Tali and other Quarians would need a program for health resons and the ability to intrepret tactile feel of objects outside their suits.

[Someone With Mass]

Volrath937 wrote...
The context in which we first hear of the things makes it kind of...less than ambiguous. A way of allowing Tali to "feel" a simulation of whatever her suit is touching would be an incredible feat of programming. Sensors would need to essentially cover the entire suit, the program itself would need to be able to tap into her nervous system to recreate the feel, and  the algorithms that interpret the sensor data would just be...mind-boggling to write. If such a thing existed, my Shepard would hunt to the ends of the galaxy to get it for her though.

Wouldn't that give her the feeling that she's practically nude?

But if such tech exists, I agree with you. I would search every planet, moon and star in the galaxy for it.

[camoboy_19]

Spartanburger wrote...

I have had this theory that the Qarian suits are the most advanced suits in existence. They spend literally their entire life in them, rarely leaving it. The suit would probably be modular in design (as to allow for easy replacement of malfunction parts or parts that have grown too small). It would have a much more sophisticated HUD designed to display more than the rudimentary data like vital signs, shields, and basic sensory data. A form of internal cleaning would be required too. I would expect a direct neural connection too for some emergency things. 
I've thinking about this and I think that the suit could easily be modified so that you would not need to use the omni-tool interface on your hand. Small sensors in the helmet would be able to sense movements and gestures by the eyes allowing for a user to go through data and probably even hack stuff without needing both hands for the omni-tool (one holds the omni-tool, the other would normally fiddle with it).

I'd like to see a situation where the squad is at gunpoint and Tali, without moving and giving herself away by visually activating the omni-tool in her hand, gains control of the power to the room. Lights are cut. The dudes that were holding them can't see anything and fire blindly. Tali's upgraded external sensors display the heat signatures of everyone on her HUD. Knife time! 
The lights turn back on and Shepard and the other squad member see Tali standing as if nothing happened but with blood on her visor and hands, her knife back in its holder on her leg, standing in the middle of a pile of cut bodies.
Tali (in a slightly annoyed tone): "What are you looking at?"



Hold on let me write this down.

Thats the kind of fighting my squad should be doing lol

[Volrath937]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Wouldn't that give her the feeling that she's practically nude?

But if such tech exists, I agree with you. I would search every planet, moon and star in the galaxy for it.

Compared to how hard it would be to make the sensor to begin with, disabling sensors in specific areas would be child's play. She'd have a view of the active suit sensors built into her helmet most likely, allowing her to change the settings on the fly. 

Spartan: She probably would have some sort of emergency omni-tool built into her suit, but the standard arm version makes sense as the primary one she uses. Arm omni-tools are standard among all species, but an in-suit one would require very specific construction. Plus arm ones can be upgraded easily.

Modifié par Volrath937, 19 septembre 2010 - 05:02 .

[camoboy_19]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Volrath937 wrote...
The context in which we first hear of the things makes it kind of...less than ambiguous. A way of allowing Tali to "feel" a simulation of whatever her suit is touching would be an incredible feat of programming. Sensors would need to essentially cover the entire suit, the program itself would need to be able to tap into her nervous system to recreate the feel, and  the algorithms that interpret the sensor data would just be...mind-boggling to write. If such a thing existed, my Shepard would hunt to the ends of the galaxy to get it for her though.

Wouldn't that give her the feeling that she's practically nude?

But if such tech exists, I agree with you. I would search every planet, moon and star in the galaxy for it.

Im not sure about that. Still, interesting argument.

[camoboy_19]

mrsph wrote...

Eldareus wrote...

Excellent Observations about the nerve stimulation programs. I guess the confusion about the purpose of the program is introduced where you listen into the conversation between the Quarian and Turian at the lounge in Illium. The conversation implies the nerve stimulation is used for sexuality only, however I would think Tali and other Quarians would need a program for health resons and the ability to intrepret tactile feel of objects outside their suits.

Well, yeah. You're going to suffer mentally if you are deprived of touch.

Mainly its more of a "is it as dirty as it might look" kind of thing going. I say it has the potential but we have to look at it as more of a commonplace sort of need though. Its really up to how you intepret it. Knowing how efficient Tali is with Tech, she might be getting rid of the program constantly for convenience and space. Also, like how it matches up with all the research she does into humanity. Just shows how much she likes Shepard.

Modifié par camoboy_19, 19 septembre 2010 - 05:28 .