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[Tao88]

I am faced with a conundrum.  I am returning to DA after a lengthy absence.  Now, I have beaten the main campaign a few times now.  Twice with a dual-wielding rogue human (once with dagger/dagger, once with sword/sword), and once with a human mage. 

Obviously it is time for some Dwarfing and Elfing around.  And I want to play a Warrior.

I have played through every Origin up to meeting King Cailan at this point.  I want to play a City Elf Warrior, a murderlicious little jerk who eventually learns to love or perhaps just pretends to love.  

Anyway, I'm trying to decide which flavor of warrior to go with.  Sword and Shield is out... that doesn't seem to fit him. 

I've done DW on a rogue (twice), how different is it with a warrior, taking the different specializations into account?  I'm not opposed to it since it is fun, but if it's essentially the same experience, I'll be more likely to choose otherwise.

I'm a bit interested in 2H, but I'm going to limit myself to swords... not a fan of the looks of mauls/hammers. 

And how is archery on a Warrior?

[Mccoyn1990]

As a Rogue u gain skill points every 2 levels and every 3 as a warrior, Archery as a Elf rogue is a very great playthrough, Archery warrior is rough but do able, I would try maybe 2handed and use crossbows cause those rely on strength, u also need a bit of stam as a archer cause the Arrow of Slaying(Gods Arrow lol) cost alot of stamina

[Tao88]

How good are two handed swords later in the game?  Do they get massively flattened (ha ha) in performance by mauls later on?  And is constant Haste mandatory?

[Mccoyn1990]

The Best 2 handed weapon I have come across so far is the Nug Crusher, In the ostagar DLC, Personally with 2handers I perfer more armor penetration over crit chance especially once u get the Destroyer skill, I would suggest Rally and Beserk and just forget about Haste.

[Tao88]

Mccoyn1990 wrote...

The Best 2 handed weapon I have come across so far is the Nug Crusher, In the ostagar DLC, Personally with 2handers I perfer more armor penetration over crit chance especially once u get the Destroyer skill, I would suggest Rally and Beserk and just forget about Haste.

Should also mention that I'm not interested in playing a tank.  I'm not concerned with actual tip-top dps, but I would like to feel like my elf is really good at killing things.

[Iz Stoik zI]

Tao88 wrote...

Should also mention that I'm not interested in playing a tank.  I'm not concerned with actual tip-top dps, but I would like to feel like my elf is really good at killing things.

I'm having a good time with a Two-Handed tank build. I know you said you don't want to tank, but it's not quite the same as a traditional damage soaker. Instead of being there to take every blow, it concentrates on keeping enemies knocked down, stunned, feared, and whatever else you can come up with. While the early game is a little rough, it gets very fun later on. And with this setup you don't have to worry about having one character do nothing but taunt and auto-attack (Alistair syndrome) so they can focus on doing actual damage, effectively increasing group DPS output. Get this character Starfang early on(or better yet, the Witch Hunt axe if you have it) and he'll be insanely versatile for the entire game. Once you have Spirit Warrior from Awakening, he's literally unstoppable.

I actually played a DW Warrior for all of Origins, and the amount DPS was incredible. I ended up finishing with 46% of my party's damage on Hard difficulty, and this is despite having Morrigan cheese out enemies with Mana Clash and Storm of the Century in certain areas. Good AoE and CC make this guy cut through enemies like butter. So if you want to kill things and look badass doing it, I'd recommend a Templar/Reaver DW Warrior. But consider the 2H tank too.

[Tao88]

Iz Stoik zI wrote...



I actually played a DW Warrior for all of Origins, and the amount DPS was incredible. I ended up finishing with 46% of my party's damage on Hard difficulty, and this is despite having Morrigan cheese out enemies with Mana Clash and Storm of the Century in certain areas. Good AoE and CC make this guy cut through enemies like butter. So if you want to kill things and look badass doing it, I'd recommend a Templar/Reaver DW Warrior. But consider the 2H tank too.

Have you played a DW Rogue?  I'm curious as to how they stack up to each other.

[Elhanan]

I find 2H to be my fave warrior build. However, I prefer Rogues for the other options (including S&S using Duelist), and have not actually played a Warrior DW or Archer past Lothering.

[Tao88]

Unrelated to the topic, it seems to be impossible to make a male elf that doesn't have a chin that looks like some kind of gouging weapon when viewed at that 7:00 angle that 75% of the conversation scenes put your character in. Kind of annoying.

[Elhanan]

Tao88 wrote...

Unrelated to the topic, it seems to be impossible to make a male elf that doesn't have a chin that looks like some kind of gouging weapon when viewed at that 7:00 angle that 75% of the conversation scenes put your character in. Kind of annoying.

There is an adj for chin depth and the like, if you wish to give it a try.

[Tao88]

Elhanan wrote...

Tao88 wrote...

Unrelated to the topic, it seems to be impossible to make a male elf that doesn't have a chin that looks like some kind of gouging weapon when viewed at that 7:00 angle that 75% of the conversation scenes put your character in. Kind of annoying.

There is an adj for chin depth and the like, if you wish to give it a try.

I've tried it.  At least for the presets I prefer, as soon as I adjust the chin depth a notch above concave, bammo, gouging time.  If Bioware had really wanted to present a new wrinkle on elves, they shoulda given them some beards!  Or at least goatees.

Maybe I'll go dwarf instead.  Both origins are great, as I recall.

[Elhanan]

Do not forget the females. The City Elf origin is much more intense as a bride to be; very Kill Bill!

[Tao88]

Elhanan wrote...

Do not forget the females. The City Elf origin is much more intense as a bride to be; very Kill Bill!

Good point.  I'll play with the Creator some more. 

How do the 2H animations play out on a dwarf?  Better, worse, the same?

[Elhanan]

I like the animations for all races. but loathe the way a maul bounces off the small of the spine when running from locations. It makes me wince, esp when elemental effects are in play.

[HellWyrm]

Chasind Great Maul is basically Nug Crusher on steroids. You can buy it from Gorim in Denerim after clearing 2 main quests. It costs a pretty penny though. (Like 150 Sovs :| )

Warrior Archers ARE doable, and can get decent damage. But they are only really truly effective in Awakening, when you can get Spirit Warrior. Spirit Warrior Archers, with little Hex help from mages, can do incredible amounts of damage.

City Elf female 2H warrior is a blast. It's so fun seeing this tiny little elven female smacking darkspawn around with a 2-hander, especially a maul. It's even better when using Medium armor, because that really keeps the body shape well.

Modifié par HellWyrm, 14 septembre 2010 - 03:23 .

[Xolah]

Tank or 2H is your best bet.

[Iz Stoik zI]

Tao88 wrote...

Have you played a DW Rogue?  I'm curious as to how they stack up to each other.

I have not, but my brother has and he's told me about it. As a Warrior, you don't get backstabs like a Rogue; this is good and bad. The good part is that you don't have to worry about positioning at all, just line 'em up and knock 'em down. The bad part is that you don't gain any additional bonuses for flanking opponents.

Instead of relying on that kind of finesse and damage avoidance, a DW Warrior gets by on pure brutality. Equip some heavy or massive armor(such as Wade's Superior w/ Evon's or Knight Commander's Plate), grab a couple of high damage weapons and go to town.

It's not a whole lot different than playing a Rogue, and I like the Warrior specializations better too. Heavy Plate looks much better than leather, and with a sword and dagger on your back it looks pretty badass.

[HellWyrm]

DW Rogues rely almost entirely on backstabs. DW Warriors rely more on talents.

But DW Warriors don't have Flicker It's very "anime-like".

But still, tiny elven female with huge-ass maul just is lulz-worthy, and very, very awesome.

[Tao88]

HellWyrm wrote...

DW Rogues rely almost entirely on backstabs. DW Warriors rely more on talents.

But DW Warriors don't have Flicker It's very "anime-like".

But still, tiny elven female with huge-ass maul just is lulz-worthy, and very, very awesome.

And I do like the change from 'Men RIding to the Rescue' to 'Distressed Damsel MURDERING EVERYONE'.

I've never made it past the Origin with an Elf.  Is there anything super special or hugely different that happens upon return to the alienage?  Or is it just a few lines?

[Super ._. Shepard]

i like 2H its not every good early in the game but gets better later on

[Iz Stoik zI]

Super ._. Shepard wrote...

i like 2H its not every good early in the game but gets better later on

This is how I feel. Early on it feels weak and gets killed pretty easy, but once you get 2H sweep and the like it becomes much much easier.

[Tao88]

I'm really enjoying 2H so far. I had read this board and seen horror stories of glacial slowness, but it's not that bad. Besides, if everything is knocked the hell over, I'm plenty fast enough.

[Iz Stoik zI]

The relatively slow attack speed is helped by all of the activated abilities on short cooldowns that they have as you've no doubt learned. It's pretty easy to keep multiple enemies stunned or knocked down later in the game, and if you go Templar then you will have an additional knockdown that you can use on groups of enemies before you even close the distance.



In Awakening you have one or two more AoE knockdowns and the character is pretty much untouchable.

[Tao88]

Thanks for the help, all. My little elven Murderette is hacking her way through Ferelden with an improbably huge sword.



I'm curious though, now that I have Starfang, are there any two handed blades that outperform it? Not mauls, but swords or axes.

[Nocto]

the only one that comes to mind right now would be Yusaris when facing dragons, maybe, else I don't think anything other swords can match it