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[Markinator_123]

She is starting to rub me the wrong way (her arrogance that masks her insecurities is starting to annoy me) and quite frankly I consider her quite evil for suggesting such a thing. Taking away someone's free will? I must say that it was actually a good thing that the Illusive man was in charge. Miranda was lucky for Shepard not to shoot her in the face after he/she discovered that.

Modifié par Markinator_123, 14 septembre 2010 - 12:41 .

[MuteSpeech]

What?

[GnusmasTHX]

...? Everything about this thread seems anachronistic. (That the right word?) I mean "anymore" and this being one of the first things you learn about her, not to mention you've had the game for months... It's not like the control chip was some recent development.



But anyway, Shepard was Miranda's project to get a valuable asset. It's only practical and efficient, both Miranda's trademarks to secure an asset as valuable as Shepard.



How was she to know that implanting a control chip would screw with his mojo/mysterious quality X.

[Zan51]

Not too keen on her myself at times... and the chip thing is just too much. ><

Miranda does make an off comment about the SM I think, or am I mixing it up with an EDI and Joker exchange where he says, "I'm glad you're in charge of the mission!" I remember something to that effect...

[Whatever42]

Have you seen her poor dating history? After those failures, I think she would stoop to anything to get some action.

[Markinator_123]

Shandepared wrote...

It would have been a logical course of action. In any case, you must be on good terms with TIM because he shot her down. Right?

If I'm not mistaken Shand, you can't stand her yourself (I've seen some of your posts). Was this one of your reasons or was it something else?

[fongiel24]

Desperate times demand desperate measures. I'd say the potential extinction of the human race counts as desperate times. Cerberus didn't resurrect Shepard because they were feeling charitable or they had an extra four billion credits they wanted to flush down the drain.

We don't know the nature of the control chip or how intrusive it would really be. It might just be a safeguard in the event Shepard tries to betray Cerberus. I doubt Miranda was planning to use it to control Shepard like a puppet. There's not much point in resurrecting Shepard and witholding his/her free will. I think the control chip would have been some sort of kill switch, installed so that if Shepard turned on Cerberus, Miranda could flip it and knock Shepard unconscious.

[Dave of Canada]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Have you seen her poor dating history? After those failures, I think she would stoop to anything to get some action.

The files are actually while she's on the Normandy SR2. While you're in Illium or something, she's sleeping with Hardcorepwner233424235r4.

[_purifico_]

Just a question to the OP: did you destroy the heretics or overwrite them?

[Markinator_123]

_purifico_ wrote...

Just a question to the OP: did you destroy the heretics or overwrite them?

Irrevelent! The geth are nothing more than machines.

[ExtremeOne]

Cerberus brought Shepard back to destroy the collectors and the reapers. like the one person said Cerberus did not just waste 4 Billion credits just because they wanted to be nice people. It was either a kill switch or a plan to make sure Shepard destroys the collectors

[MrnDvlDg161]

I'm still under the impression that they have done so anyway and Shepard just doesn't know it yet.



It would be an interesting twist. Sort of like a " Escape From New York" thing where you get the timer and crap. Be a nice " I'm comming your you Tim!" episode. Miranda possibly finding it and disabling it and then lying to TIM that he was destroyed...only to have Shepard come through the door and pop a few rounds in him?

[packardbell]

Markinator_123 wrote...

She is starting to rub me the wrong way (her arrogance that masks her insecurities is starting to annoy me) and quite frankly I consider her quite evil for suggesting such a thing. Taking away someone's free will? I must say that it was actually a good thing that the Illusive man was in charge. Miranda was lucky for Shepard not to shoot her in the face after he/she discovered that.

She's a woman who put stone cold logic before any kind of emotion but with her upbringing, can't really blame her all that much.

[Elyvern]

At that point in time, what does TIM or Miranda know about you? They just spent a fortune bringing you back to life and were in the process of giving you the keys to a new prototypical stealth frigate. All she was trying to do was safeguard the time and effort she put into you and to protect the interest of the organisation she served.

Just remember that her personality actually changes over the course of the game, possibly even the character that undergoes the biggest change. At the end if you blow up the base, she sacrifices her career, her safety, even her sister's welfare and puts her life and trust in your hands.

[InHarmsWay]

packardbell wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...

She is starting to rub me the wrong way (her arrogance that masks her insecurities is starting to annoy me) and quite frankly I consider her quite evil for suggesting such a thing. Taking away someone's free will? I must say that it was actually a good thing that the Illusive man was in charge. Miranda was lucky for Shepard not to shoot her in the face after he/she discovered that.

She's a woman who put stone cold logic before any kind of emotion but with her upbringing, can't really blame her all that much.

Yes logical to implant a Commander with a control chip. That would surely not alter his behaviour, skills or motivations at all.

[Nightwriter]

I found it amusing. Lighten up, silly bean.

[ExtremeOne]

Elyvern wrote...

At that point in time, what does TIM or Miranda know about you? They just spent a fortune bringing you back to life and were in the process of giving you the keys to a new prototypical stealth frigate. All she was trying to do was safeguard the time and effort she put into you and to protect the interest of the organisation she served.

Just remember that her personality actually changes over the course of the game, possibly even the character that undergoes the biggest change. At the end if you blow up the base, she sacrifices her career, her safety, even her sister's welfare and puts her life and trust in your hands.

  


great post and She is the one that at the end of ME 2 who gives up the most 

[ExtremeOne]

packardbell wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...

She is starting to rub me the wrong way (her arrogance that masks her insecurities is starting to annoy me) and quite frankly I consider her quite evil for suggesting such a thing. Taking away someone's free will? I must say that it was actually a good thing that the Illusive man was in charge. Miranda was lucky for Shepard not to shoot her in the face after he/she discovered that.

She's a woman who put stone cold logic before any kind of emotion but with her upbringing, can't really blame her all that much.

 


her ruthless attitude is what i like about her because she is all about business and getting the job done plus her story is really very interesting 

[yummysoap]

InHarmsWay wrote...

packardbell wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...

She is starting to rub me the wrong way (her arrogance that masks her insecurities is starting to annoy me) and quite frankly I consider her quite evil for suggesting such a thing. Taking away someone's free will? I must say that it was actually a good thing that the Illusive man was in charge. Miranda was lucky for Shepard not to shoot her in the face after he/she discovered that.

She's a woman who put stone cold logic before any kind of emotion but with her upbringing, can't really blame her all that much.

Yes logical to implant a Commander with a control chip. That would surely not alter his behaviour, skills or motivations at all.

^ To be fair we don't know if it would or not. It could have kept him completely the same, except for when he made a call Cerberus didn't like, then Miranda could press a magic button and force him to do something he didn't agree to. As it is, it's a completely hypothetical situation since it never happened, and I get the feeling Miranda wouldn't have thought about it once she actually got to know Shepard for the dude he is. When you're working on reanimating a corpse for two years you probably start looking at him as less of a person and more of a project.

Modifié par yummysoap, 14 septembre 2010 - 02:20 .

[Elyvern]

Shandepared wrote...

Elyvern wrote...

Just remember that her personality actually changes over the course of the game, possibly even the character that undergoes the biggest change. At the end if you blow up the base, she sacrifices her career, her safety, even her sister's welfare and puts her life and trust in your hands.

I never liked this. It comes out of nowhere and strikes me as lazy writing.

That she agrees with blowing up the base, or siding with Shepard? Personally, I have problems with Miranda wanting to blow up the base, but it's similar to my issue with how saving the base equates to giving it to TIM. But if it's siding with Shepard, note that even if you don't romance her, she actually salutes you prior to entering the Omega-4 Relay and said it was an honour serving under you. It isn't something that comes out of the blue, despite the fact that you don't actually see her attitude change, because it could be wholly an internal conflict.

But my point is if you want to argue that her desire to plant a control chip is unforgiveable, her decision to quit Cerberus at the end, lose everything she's worked for and place her life in your hands more than redeems her for me. 

[MrFob]

@title: I can't but they didn't.

[Ieldra]

Shandepared wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...

If I'm not mistaken Shand, you can't stand her yourself (I've seen some of your posts). Was this one of your reasons or was it something else?

I hate her costume, not the character herself.

You have a point there. I think you can count the people who like the white outfit on one hand, even among her fans. The amount of bad stuff this thing is responsible for - anything between animosity, knee-jerk hate and simple mispercetption of her - never ceases to amaze me. I think Bioware made a mistake there. 

As for the topic, everything's been already said. But...

@Markinator123
Why has this suddenly become an issue after months? I gather this is the reason you left the Miranda group after how many months as as member? I find it passing strange. Did your SO suddenly have a fit about this and you decided to follow suit?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 septembre 2010 - 07:04 .