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[Killjoy Cutter]

Markinator_123 wrote...

Major Truth wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I always pick Garrus to lead the other team in both stages, it has always been the obvious choice to me. Miranda would be my second choice, followed by Jacob.

But I always use Jacob to escort the freed crew back to the Normandy.

Gotta disagree with the above. For me Miranda is the logical choice to lead the fire team.

Garrus has no experience of command with the exception of Omega where he got his unit killed

This is a human mission to look after human interests. I'm not questioning Garrus's loyalty, but he is loyal to Shepard (for the moment), not humanity. Would you take a bullet for a Turian.

Garrus is too emotional by far and loves nothing more then to meat out justice in the form of execution.

Miranda is human, an experienced commander, and does not allow her emotions to get the better of her. She is by far the only choice to lead in Shepards absense

Did you forget that everybody on Lazarus station died except Miranda, Jacob, and Shepard? The only reason Garrus's unit died was because of a traitor (just like in Miranda's case by the way). In other words, it was not Garrus's fault at all. His team was doing extremely well on Omega. He got his team together just like Shepard did in ME1 and accomplished so much that he managed to get the attention of the three most powerful merc groups in the Terminus Systems.

Tell me what evidence do you have that Miranda can lead a fireteam? Sure, she lead Lazarus but that was a science project. There is a difference between leading a science team and a combat fireteam. You actually have proof that Garrus has lead a team that fights before in the game. Besides, like I said before, half of the team doesn't trust Miranda.

PS: The fight between Jack and Miranda felt like I was in high school all over again. Miranda would make a very poor commander in Shepard's absence.

That would have been my answer if you hadn't posted it first.  Other than her special passive ability -- which is pure metagaming -- we see nothing of the character as depicted in the character-level content of the game that demonstrates or proves her actual combat leadership ability.

[Major Truth]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not doing this for humanity, or at least not humanity because it is humanity. If these were turians or asari getting kidnapped in huge numbers, I'd be going after the Collectors with just as much fervor. And yes, if need be, I would take a bullet for a turian.
And I don't fully trust Miranda; if things went downhill and I died, I'd appoint Garrus to be my successor.

I agree with allot of what you say, but while Shepard would do it for the "good of the galaxy" he is the exception rather then the rule. I can't see Jack or Grunt taking a bullet for another race.

In terms of Miranda, its reasonable to doubt her, but I don't doubt her intentions towards the mission or humanity

[Markinator_123]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not doing this for humanity, or at least not humanity because it is humanity. If these were turians or asari getting kidnapped in huge numbers, I'd be going after the Collectors with just as much fervor. And yes, if need be, I would take a bullet for a turian.
And I don't fully trust Miranda; if things went downhill and I died, I'd appoint Garrus to be my successor.

Could not have said things better myself.

[Major Truth]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

That would have been my answer if you hadn't posted it first.  Other than her special passive ability -- which is pure metagaming -- we see nothing of the character as depicted in the character-level content of the game that demonstrates or proves her actual combat leadership ability

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Was it not Miranda who led the mission to save the council on the citadel (as described by Jacob)

Also Miranda is capable of keeping her emotions in check at all times. By Garrus's own admission he lets his emotions get the better of him

[Xilizhra]

I agree with allot of what you say, but while Shepard would do it for the "good of the galaxy" he is the exception rather then the rule. I can't see Jack or Grunt taking a bullet for another race.



In terms of Miranda, its reasonable to doubt her, but I don't doubt her intentions towards the mission or humanity

Grunt would take any bullet, anywhere, at any time. Jack, on the other hand, wouldn't do so for anyone. Though Shepard is indeed exceptional.



And I don't doubt Miranda's commitment to the mission; I do doubt her commitment to the nonhuman part of galactic life.

[Major Truth]

Xilizhra wrote...

Grunt would take any bullet, anywhere, at any time. Jack, on the other hand, wouldn't do so for anyone. Though Shepard is indeed exceptional.
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True but thats because he's a lunatic, not because of his concern for organic life

Xilizhra wrote...

And I don't doubt Miranda's commitment to the mission; I do doubt her commitment to the nonhuman part of galactic life.

Agreed, and also Jack, she wouldn't be overly upset if a stray bullet hit her (I generally take her with me though)

[t3HPrO]

You finally found the investigate button? Grow up, for the love of Christ. Why is everyone who hates Miranda a bunch of naive 11 year old idiots(almost all talinutters, hmm) who've never gotten out of their moms basement and thus never experienced the real world. Seriously, once you go out there, you'll realize Miranda's actually considered a pretty average behaving woman. Yes, there are worse out there, and Miranda is actually considered the norm in the working world. Anyways back to topic. Given cerberus' track record of their own experiments blowing up in their faces, you'd think they'd take some 'insurance'. Grow up and face the real world kids. And don't try piling on psychology on me, cause that's one of my modules, and I'll out-psych you into oblivion. Just so you don't give me any herp-derp typical talitroller trolls. Anyone know why ONLY talinutters troll, and ALL talinutters are trolls? Internet cookies for logical answers!

[t3HPrO]

So the control chip was a last ditch resort, and Miranda, being as smart as good ol' Mordin, wouldn't abuse the privelege of the chip like you kids abusing your weekend candy priveleges. Seriously, try applying some logic(if you have any) to things in your life.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Major Truth wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

That would have been my answer if you hadn't posted it first.  Other than her special passive ability -- which is pure metagaming -- we see nothing of the character as depicted in the character-level content of the game that demonstrates or proves her actual combat leadership ability

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Was it not Miranda who led the mission to save the council on the citadel (as described by Jacob)

I guess I don't talk to Jacob enough for him to tell me his old Miranda stories.  Let me guess, something that happened in the old iPad game.

[Xilizhra]

naive 11 year old idiots

who've never gotten out of their moms basement

I think you're mixing your ill-conceived stereotypes there, t3.

[Major Truth]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I guess I don't talk to Jacob enough for him to tell me his old Miranda stories.  Let me guess, something that happened in the old iPad game.

Yep I think so. I braved a Jacob conversation, he described it as the highlight of his career. Its how he met Miranda and it was a success

[Killjoy Cutter]

t3HPrO wrote...

You finally found the investigate button? Grow up, for the love of Christ. Why is everyone who hates Miranda a bunch of naive 11 year old idiots(almost all talinutters, hmm) who've never gotten out of their moms basement and thus never experienced the real world. Seriously, once you go out there, you'll realize Miranda's actually considered a pretty average behaving woman. Yes, there are worse out there, and Miranda is actually considered the norm in the working world. Anyways back to topic. Given cerberus' track record of their own experiments blowing up in their faces, you'd think they'd take some 'insurance'. Grow up and face the real world kids. And don't try piling on psychology on me, cause that's one of my modules, and I'll out-psych you into oblivion. Just so you don't give me any herp-derp typical talitroller trolls. Anyone know why ONLY talinutters troll, and ALL talinutters are trolls? Internet cookies for logical answers!

 

Wow. 

[Major Truth]

t3HPrO wrote...

So the control chip was a last ditch resort, and Miranda, being as smart as good ol' Mordin, wouldn't abuse the privelege of the chip like you kids abusing your weekend candy priveleges. Seriously, try applying some logic(if you have any) to things in your life.

I'm still of the opinion that Miranda dropped the "control chip" into the conversation to gauge Shepards response to it.

As I said previously I always saw it as her way of letting him know that she wasn't about ready to sign up for the Shepard Fan club like TIM and Jacob, and he still had allot to prove in her eyes. I also think it was her way of showing Shepard that she would do whatever she felt neccessery to achieve her goals and complete the mission

Naturally implanting a chip would have been discussed, it would be irresponsible not to consider these things but I'm not convinced she would have implanted him given the option

[Markinator_123]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

t3HPrO wrote...

You finally found the investigate button? Grow up, for the love of Christ. Why is everyone who hates Miranda a bunch of naive 11 year old idiots(almost all talinutters, hmm) who've never gotten out of their moms basement and thus never experienced the real world. Seriously, once you go out there, you'll realize Miranda's actually considered a pretty average behaving woman. Yes, there are worse out there, and Miranda is actually considered the norm in the working world. Anyways back to topic. Given cerberus' track record of their own experiments blowing up in their faces, you'd think they'd take some 'insurance'. Grow up and face the real world kids. And don't try piling on psychology on me, cause that's one of my modules, and I'll out-psych you into oblivion. Just so you don't give me any herp-derp typical talitroller trolls. Anyone know why ONLY talinutters troll, and ALL talinutters are trolls? Internet cookies for logical answers!

 

Wow. 

I said the same thing.

Wow.

[Wolf Warden]

t3HPrO wrote...

You finally found the investigate button? Grow up, for the love of Christ. Why is everyone who hates Miranda a bunch of naive 11 year old idiots(almost all talinutters, hmm) who've never gotten out of their moms basement and thus never experienced the real world. Seriously, once you go out there, you'll realize Miranda's actually considered a pretty average behaving woman. Yes, there are worse out there, and Miranda is actually considered the norm in the working world. Anyways back to topic. Given cerberus' track record of their own experiments blowing up in their faces, you'd think they'd take some 'insurance'. Grow up and face the real world kids. And don't try piling on psychology on me, cause that's one of my modules, and I'll out-psych you into oblivion. Just so you don't give me any herp-derp typical talitroller trolls. Anyone know why ONLY talinutters troll, and ALL talinutters are trolls? Internet cookies for logical answers!

damaged person:unsure:

Modifié par Wolf Warden, 16 septembre 2010 - 03:43 .

[Xilizhra]

If it was just a conversational dominance gesture, it was a dickish one for certain. I don't have to prove anything to her; she's not even around by my choice. In fact, if I could turn her in to C-Sec, I would.

[Major Truth]

Xilizhra wrote...

If it was just a conversational dominance gesture, it was a dickish one for certain. I don't have to prove anything to her; she's not even around by my choice. In fact, if I could turn her in to C-Sec, I would.

I agree it was dickish, but I think thats exactly how she intended it to be. She is an insecure person, and having Shepard brought back from the dead to be installed as her commander probably even made her more insecure

I think she was trying to portray herself as being tough as nails. Over the course of the game Shepard shows her their is more to being a leader then strength

[The Spamming Troll]

Shandepared wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...

If I'm not mistaken Shand, you can't stand her yourself (I've seen some of your posts). Was this one of your reasons or was it something else?

I hate her costume, not the character herself.

whaaaaaaaaa???!?!?!??!!!!!?!?!???!?!??

you. are. crazy.

[ExtremeOne]

Xilizhra wrote...

If it was just a conversational dominance gesture, it was a dickish one for certain. I don't have to prove anything to her; she's not even around by my choice. In fact, if I could turn her in to C-Sec, I would.

   


what would C Sec do she is not a alliance soldier or member she is a Cerberus operative and plus C Sec has no power over Cerberus and neither do those clowns in the alliance 

[ObserverStatus]

I always thought that cerberus should have set up the cybernetic devices inside Shepard so that they could shut down his pacemaker if he goes rogue.

[ExtremeOne]

Major Truth wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If it was just a conversational dominance gesture, it was a dickish one for certain. I don't have to prove anything to her; she's not even around by my choice. In fact, if I could turn her in to C-Sec, I would.

I agree it was dickish, but I think thats exactly how she intended it to be. She is an insecure person, and having Shepard brought back from the dead to be installed as her commander probably even made her more insecure

I think she was trying to portray herself as being tough as nails. Over the course of the game Shepard shows her their is more to being a leader then strength

   


well Shepard may be a leader but thats only because he or she has that stupid myth about one person can make a difference. real leadership means doing things that people do not like or hate but in the best interest for the mission. Miranda is a real leader because she does the things that it takes to get the job no matter what any one says 

[Xilizhra]

what would C Sec do she is not a alliance soldier or member she is a Cerberus operative and plus C Sec has no power over Cerberus and neither do those clowns in the alliance

Cerberus is a terrorist organization. What did the US do to Zacarias Mousaouii or whatever his name was?

well Shepard may be a leader but thats only because he or she has that stupid myth about one person can make a difference. real leadership means doing things that people do not like or hate but in the best interest for the mission. Miranda is a real leader because she does the things that it takes to get the job no matter what any one says

Note that Miranda herself acknowledges that she lacks Shepard's extraordinary charisma and ability to truly lead people. She's good at organization, but doesn't have that special fire.

[ExtremeOne]

Xilizhra wrote...

what would C Sec do she is not a alliance soldier or member she is a Cerberus operative and plus C Sec has no power over Cerberus and neither do those clowns in the alliance

Cerberus is a terrorist organization. What did the US do to Zacarias Mousaouii or whatever his name was?

well Shepard may be a leader but thats only because he or she has that stupid myth about one person can make a difference. real leadership means doing things that people do not like or hate but in the best interest for the mission. Miranda is a real leader because she does the things that it takes to get the job no matter what any one says

Note that Miranda herself acknowledges that she lacks Shepard's extraordinary charisma and ability to truly lead people. She's good at organization, but doesn't have that special fire.

   



you can say what you want about Cerberus but they had the balls to do what ever it took to stop the collectors. its not their fault the alliance and the stupid council has no guts to do anything. Oh I agree it takes a special fire to go into battle but i just think Bioware has made Shepard out to be this mythological great battle field commander when Miranda has very good squad leadership traits. it would have been nice if Bioware had someone in the game challenge Shepard just once because to be a great commander you must be able to handle someone challenging your command skills just like what was done many times in Star Trek 

[Xilizhra]

Wrex challenges Shepard over the Virmire facility issue.

[PWENER]

Markinator_123 wrote...

_purifico_ wrote...

Just a question to the OP: did you destroy the heretics or overwrite them?

Irrevelent! The geth are nothing more than machines.

Machines? That's the same mentality the Geth have. You racist ****. They're living, conscious beings. You fail at being a good Shepard. Hell, I even kept the Collector Base and I have more morale than you.