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[OniGanon]

You get given plenty of heavy weapon ammo, you may as well use it. Whether it's using the CPB as a makeshift sniper rifle, the flamethrower to compensate for lack of shotgun, the Arc Projector to quickly strip the shields off a whole room of enemies, the Avalanche to waste a crowd of Husks... You don't have to Cain bosses but at least use your heavy weapon for something. It's terribly wasteful not to.



I mean, really. You don't NEED it, but then you don't really NEED to use any weapon but the Locust for the entire game.

[upsettingshorts]

Yeah, I just save up the heavy weapon ammo. No special tactics.



Or if I know it's going to be particularly tough and want to save ammo - like maybe the Oculus during the SM - I just bring myself (sniper rifle) and then some combination of Legion/Garrus/Zaeed and have them all use sniper rifles. Big bad thing dies fast, heavy ammo saved.

[Kronner]

OniGanon wrote...

You get given plenty of heavy weapon ammo, you may as well use it. Whether it's using the CPB as a makeshift sniper rifle, the flamethrower to compensate for lack of shotgun, the Arc Projector to quickly strip the shields off a whole room of enemies, the Avalanche to waste a crowd of Husks... You don't have to Cain bosses but at least use your heavy weapon for something. It's terribly wasteful not to.

I mean, really. You don't NEED it, but then you don't really NEED to use any weapon but the Locust for the entire game.

5x heavy ammo = 500 credits - one free bet on Urz

Seriously, why would that be wasteful, I like standard weapons and powers much better than any heavy weapon. Much more fun too. There are only 2 Praetorians in the whole game, might as well enjoy the fight. If there was a Praetorian in every mission, I would CAIN it for sure, but this is not the case. Heavy weapons are only good if you do not feel like shooting 50 husks in the reaper iff (room with core) mission etc. Other that that it is merely obstacle to fluid weapon switching with the mouse wheel.
And Locust is getting seriously overrated, there are much better weapons for each class available.

Modifié par Kronner, 14 septembre 2010 - 07:00 .

[PsyrenY]

OniGanon wrote...

You get given plenty of heavy weapon ammo, you may as well use it. Whether it's using the CPB as a makeshift sniper rifle, the flamethrower to compensate for lack of shotgun, the Arc Projector to quickly strip the shields off a whole room of enemies, the Avalanche to waste a crowd of Husks... You don't have to Cain bosses but at least use your heavy weapon for something. It's terribly wasteful not to.

I mean, really. You don't NEED it, but then you don't really NEED to use any weapon but the Locust for the entire game.

This is my philosophy. You get what, 100 credits for salvaging each box? Well, the time I shave off a Praetorian fight by Caining it down to 20% with one shot is well worth the 300 or so credits I forego refilling the damn thing.

I mean, you CAN kill a Praetorian just with your Heavy Pistol... just like you CAN beat the whole game with nothing but the Shuriken. But it's my 4th playthrough and I have things to do.

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Yeah, I just save up the heavy weapon ammo. No special tactics.

Or if I know it's going to be particularly tough and want to save ammo - like maybe the Oculus during the SM - I just bring myself (sniper rifle) and then some combination of Legion/Garrus/Zaeed and have them all use sniper rifles. Big bad thing dies fast, heavy ammo saved.

That's my point - saved for what?

If there was some kind of achievement for beating the game without using your heavy weapons I'd understand... but there isn't.

If you're saving up to Cain Terminator and/or the Shadow Broker... you've got more than enough ammo to do that and still Cain every Praetorian you meet.

[upsettingshorts]

Optimystic_X wrote...
That's my point - saved for what?

My point was that I saved it for boss/miniboss fights.  Then used it liberally.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 14 septembre 2010 - 07:06 .

[PsyrenY]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Heavy Weapons are for Shepards
that need to compensate. My Shepards don't need to compensate. My
Shepards kill with nothing more than a little mouseclick, no obscene
BOOM.

Oh right, using the Cain shrinks your e-penis. Why didn't I think of that.
(Or e-boobs in FemShep's case?)

[RGFrog]

HW's merely make for faster fights. It's something I'm concentrating on. This is my 5th canon run-through out of 15 total run-throughs. I've already proven to myself that my adept can kill anything without using weapons at all.

Now, I just want to strip defenses and warp explode as fast as possible. The cain, the singularity weapon, and the lightning gun make that possible rather quickly.

[ScroguBlitzen]

Here I posted a quick video of this technique.


Whatever your other strategies are.. using line of sight to make them quit firing at you will make your technique even better. Just remember not to 'dock' with the cover, just use tall cover to block line of sight right when they start firing then pop back out and blast them.

Modifié par ScroguBlitzen, 14 septembre 2010 - 08:20 .

[tonnactus]

Kronner wrote...

And Locust is getting seriously overrated, there are much better weapons for each class available.

Why?Before getting a bonus weapon on the collector ship,its the best weapon for adepts and engineers for sure.
The temptest is pure horror,even the early avangers in the first game had more accuracy.This weapon is only good in the hand of squadmates.

[Kronner]

tonnactus wrote...

Kronner wrote...

And Locust is getting seriously overrated, there are much better weapons for each class available.

Why?Before getting a bonus weapon on the collector ship,its the best weapon for adepts and engineers for sure.
The temptest is pure horror,even the early avangers in the first game had more accuracy.This weapon is only good in the hand of squadmates.

Before CS, yes; after that you should have a better option available. Locust is a great weapon (most likely best overall SMG), but still only SMG. Tempest is better for CQC for sure.

Modifié par Kronner, 14 septembre 2010 - 09:12 .

[PsyrenY]

Agreed with Kronner: Tempest works well as a ghetto Scimitar for pre-shotgun CQC players.

[Sidney]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Heavy Weapons are for Shepards that need to compensate. My Shepards don't need to compensate. My Shepards kill with nothing more than a little mouseclick, no obscene BOOM.

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Now for real. I never think about it. I don't not use HWs out of some intention. It's just the fights begin, ... then are over, nothing left alive besides my Squadmates and I simply didn't get the feeling I needed some Heavy Weapon to clean the room.

The "don't think about it" is my problem. I just don't use them very often and the few times I should use the blasted things I never think about it.

[Bozorgmehr]

I switch to Casual lately, those Praetorian are the most boring fights in ME2; on Casual they're goners in less than a minute without having to worry about cover. I want those things out of the way asap to get back into some interesting and a bit more challenging fights.

[JockBuster]

NICKjnp wrote...

Just move around cover and let your squadmates kill it. It focuses exclusively on Shepard when it shoots and the only way it will kill squadmates is if they are underneath it.

Horizon: walk a circle around the relay tower and place squadmates on opposite ends of the tower just out of reach of it's AoE attack.

Collector Ship: Go to the pillar at the left at the bottom of the stairs. Let it follow you around the pillar while staying out of range. Place squadmates at the opposite pillar and let them kill it.

As a Sentinel:
Horizon; put your team on the raised platform with the MediGel (one on each end). Circle around the Truck, throw Warp to blast the barrier then the armor, don't shoot it let your team do that.
Same for the ship but watch out of the collectors on the floor (right side). Step back when it does its Death Choir.

[NICKjnp]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Agreed with Kronner: Tempest works well as a ghetto Scimitar for pre-shotgun CQC players.

Or if you want to take an assault rifle for caster classes.  The tempest is a great weapon for CQC.  The only time I use the locust is when I've taken the shotgun instead of the assault rifle.

[nikki191]

thats a really good pick up, thank you for the hint.. i will definitely use it.. heavy weapons can be fun.. the blackstorm is awesome fun for sending minions flying around a room. but i dont normally use a cain on the pretorians, its such a large weapon im always tempted to save it

[OniGanon]

Kronner wrote...
Seriously, why would that be wasteful, I like standard weapons and powers much better than any heavy weapon. Much more fun too. There are only 2 Praetorians in the whole game, might as well enjoy the fight. If there was a Praetorian in every mission, I would CAIN it for sure, but this is not the case. Heavy weapons are only good if you do not feel like shooting 50 husks in the reaper iff (room with core) mission etc. Other that that it is merely obstacle to fluid weapon switching with the mouse wheel.
And Locust is getting seriously overrated, there are much better weapons for each class available.

It's a resource you're given and not using at all. It's like not spending squad points because you don't need them. I shouldn't have to explain why that's wasteful, it's rather obvious.

You seem to be under some assumption that the Cain is the only heavy weapon in existence. The Collector Particle Beam is probably my favourite heavy weapon, acting a bit like a sniper rifle that doesn't need to reload and doesn't cause annoying scope zoom when I cast. Its damage makes it very useful but not overpowering. It doesn't trivialise any fight. It's basically just a Sniper Rifle that you get for free, bolstering your own SR ammo, or compensating for a lack of one.

And the Locust is the best all purpose weapon in the game. Other weapons are better in their specialised areas, but the Locust is pretty good at everything, and has the ammo capacity to be used all the time. Using the Locust is never a bad idea in any battle, on any enemy. It may not be the best idea, but it's never a bad one. You can't say the same for any other weapon.

[Kronner]

OniGanon wrote...

It's a resource you're given and not using at all. It's like not spending squad points because you don't need them. I shouldn't have to explain why that's wasteful, it's rather obvious.

You seem to be under some assumption that the Cain is the only heavy weapon in existence. The Collector Particle Beam is probably my favourite heavy weapon, acting a bit like a sniper rifle that doesn't need to reload and doesn't cause annoying scope zoom when I cast. Its damage makes it very useful but not overpowering. It doesn't trivialise any fight. It's basically just a Sniper Rifle that you get for free, bolstering your own SR ammo, or compensating for a lack of one.

And the Locust is the best all purpose weapon in the game. Other weapons are better in their specialised areas, but the Locust is pretty good at everything, and has the ammo capacity to be used all the time. Using the Locust is never a bad idea in any battle, on any enemy. It may not be the best idea, but it's never a bad one. You can't say the same for any other weapon.

Because I like standard weapons better, it is that simple. There is no other reason. When I use HW it is Cain to speed up a fight against Maw, Praetorian, reaper core or the human reaper. I do not enjoy using the other HW (because like I said I enjoy using standard weapons more), so it is just an obstacle to switching weapons with the mouse wheel, so for me not using them to their full potential is not wasteful.
Your analogy with the squad points is not really spot-on. I mean I do not usually use the last point for Shockwave on Vanguard/Adept builds so it remains unused..is that wasteful? Maybe, but I would not use it anyways.
Also, I do not like how some HW (ie Collector Beam) look on Sheps back..it may be a silly reason, but there it is.

And I do love (and use) the Locust on all classes that have access to it, pretty awesome gun, but it is hardly a primary weapon after Collector Ship, don't you think? That was my point.

Modifié par Kronner, 16 septembre 2010 - 04:37 .

[OniGanon]

I don't really enjoy using my Heavy Pistol but that never stops me from using it any time I think it's a good idea.



And yes, the Locust is definitely a primary weapon even post CS. Maybe not for the Vanguard, but other classes, yeah. The Mattock, Widow and Viper don't really have the ammo capacity to be used in every fight on every target, and the shotguns are only useful in close range (GPS changes this a bit, but it's still only really good up to 15m or so). These are specialist weapons, and should be used for what they're specialised for, with the Locust taking care of everything else.

[Kronner]

OniGanon wrote...

I don't really enjoy using my Heavy Pistol but that never stops me from using it any time I think it's a good idea.

And yes, the Locust is definitely a primary weapon even post CS. Maybe not for the Vanguard, but other classes, yeah. The Mattock, Widow and Viper don't really have the ammo capacity to be used in every fight on every target, and the shotguns are only useful in close range (GPS changes this a bit, but it's still only really good up to 15m or so). These are specialist weapons, and should be used for what they're specialised for, with the Locust taking care of everything else.

It's not that I dislike HW, I just like other weapons better. Believe it or not, I sometimes actually enjoy killing Praetorian with a Pistol or SMG. Sometimes I use Cain. For standard enemies, I much prefer standard powers and weapons..just more fun for me. I know I can kill husks with the Avalance quite easily, but I like to toy with them etc.

As for Locust, I use Eviscerator on Sentinel(s) and I very rarely run out of ammo..and almost everything is killed with the shotgun. Pretty much a walking Vanguard.
Mattock can run out of ammo, sometimes, but it is still used most of the time on my Adept/Engineer. Infiltrator - yeah, Locust sees more action than on any other class, but Widow is still the main killer. This is my experience only though. Widow is the only one close to being specialist weapon and then again it is still good enough for majority of the kills.

Modifié par Kronner, 16 septembre 2010 - 06:07 .

[RGFrog]

Hmm.. after CS the Viper becomes my primary. I have to disagree about the ammo situation as it has plenty.

The Locust isn't a bad choice, but I get tired of it's high pitched whine. If I'm using the Viper as primary, the Tempest is a better backup for those few targets that get past midrange.

However, if I wasn't using the Viper, I'd still go for the Mattock, Vindicator or even the Avenger. Perhaps the only time I'd pick the Locust over something else is pre-collector or if I chose shotgun training.

It's not from a firepower standpoint as it's a great all around weap, as you say, OniGanon. It's more from a play perspective as i can kill just as well with other weapons without the annoying sound, or the annoying way characters hold it like a pistol when it's clearly a short rifle with butt-stock and fore-grip meant to be tucked up against the shoulder allowing better maneuverability over a full sized AR.

[Homebound]

Miss Yuna of Atlanta wrote...

Or you could just spam Reave like a maniac.

Thats what I did.