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[Moondoggie]

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

Dear god, if they reveal that shepard was implanted with reaper tech during his resurrection in ME3, i will be royally pissed. What a ridiculously horrible plot device.

AND if they use said plot device to create a horrible scene where Shepard is controled by Harbinger i will throw the game out the window. But back to what i was going to write...


The Ressurection plot seemed mostly a way to just write some characters out and move them into other places they intended for them while making a bigger Normandy for more new characters. They did this with DA:Awakening minus any reason for the original characters to not appear so they can bring in a bunch of new ones. It's like an obsession with their writers to create new characters can't they just work with the ones they have and develop them? If i see some crap opening twist that writes out most of the characters from ME 2 i won't be very pleased. Likewise if Shepard gets put away by the allience for treason or something and is rescued i really don't want to have to do missions to get the characters back and thus end up doing the exact same thing as in ME 2 for most of the game.

[Gibb_Garrus]

Moondoggie wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

Dear god, if they reveal that shepard was implanted with reaper tech during his resurrection in ME3, i will be royally pissed. What a ridiculously horrible plot device.

AND if they use said plot device to create a horrible scene where Shepard is controled by Harbinger i will throw the game out the window. But back to what i was going to write...

Yeah, but i was more so getting at if they make it so shepard is the martyrdom to take out all of the other reapers due to his reaper tech infested body. If that were to happen, i would throw my game in the garbage disposal.

[Moondoggie]

[/quote]Yeah, but i was more so getting at if they make it so shepard is the martyrdom to take out all of the other reapers due to his reaper tech infested body. If that were to happen, i would throw my game in the garbage disposal.
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True enough. That would be a cheesefest of an ending.

Modifié par Moondoggie, 16 septembre 2010 - 11:08 .

[zsom]

Moondoggie wrote...
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If i see some crap opening twist that writes out most of the characters from ME 2 i won't be very pleased. Likewise if Shepard gets put away by the allience for treason or something and is rescued i really don't want to have to do missions to get the characters back and thus end up doing the exact same thing as in ME 2 for most of the game.

Making ME3 again about recruting guys for yet another very difficult mission would be simply dumb, it would just repeat the main plot of ME2. That said.. there is a chance they'll just change the recruit badass guys into recruit badass fleets, so you can have one big fight at the end, where the united galaxy kicks some reaper butt. I so hope this will not be the case... Having Shep just find a deus ex machina which will destroy all the reapers like that would make the initial reaper threat seem lame. Any alien fleet which can be destroyed by [insert any lame plot device..] would not have been able to pull off mass genocide over countless millenia...
I hope that ME3 will start with the reaper invasion and it will be about the war with the reapers. Not about Shep finding a BFG, and ending the reaper fleet with one huge bang.

Modifié par zsom, 16 septembre 2010 - 11:43 .

[Whatever42]

Bioware clearly wanted to reboot the series in ME2. I don't see them doing the same thing in ME3. I believe we'll see a lot more continuity there.



I also believe that the hints of how we will defeat the Reapers exist within ME1 and ME2. Bioware is usually good at foreshadowing. However, I seriously doubt it has anything to do with Shepard's ressurection. There would be more obvious clues.



Besides, I still believe that the whole death/ressurection thing was written in and not part of the original story arc. ME1 ends with Shepard miraculously surviving death only for ME2 to start with Shepard even more miraculously surviving death? I doubt that was in the original plotline.

[M8DMAN]

I would still like to know what the project lazarus actually did to shepard. We only get to see bits in pieces during the opening cutscene.

[Justin Morgan]

oh my god!!!  i have never seen so many nit picking armchair game writers.  it would be like jesus turning water nto wine and you would complain about the flavor!!!

--Master of All-- wrote...

I would prefer the character creation screen pop up at the beginning of the game with no explanation whatsoever, if it means we can avoid another obviously contrived plot mechanism to 'reset' Shepard's appearance and skills. They can get away with a "Project Lazarus" sort of thing once, but the second time it's going to be a pretty transparent maneuver to seasoned players. Might as well let the player distribute skill points and alter their appearance through a menu before the game officially 'begins', and give the writers a break from justifying game design choices with another ridiculous plot line.

[smudboy]

Justin Morgan wrote...

oh my god!!!  i have never seen so many nit picking armchair game writers.  it would be like jesus turning water nto wine and you would complain about the flavor!!!

And I've never had to argue with so many morons on what clear, coherent writing is.  (Insert content: resurrection plot.)

We get Cyber Jesus, when a simple coma + medical procedure would've been just fine.  The story didn't have to resort to biblical levels just to have character introduction.

Modifié par smudboy, 16 septembre 2010 - 11:18 .

[Vicious]

I find the creepiest part to be that Shepard didn't actually die. Miranda states later that she found him in extremely bad shape, all but unrecoverable, yet in the beginning while being 'dead' Shepard clearly hears her state that he has been recovered and project Lazarus is underway.

The game didn't touch on this, but I found it to be downright creepy. And I am very surprised that the plot analyzers have not seem to caught this well after the game has been released.

Modifié par Vicious, 16 septembre 2010 - 11:22 .

[PWENER]

Vicious wrote...

I find the creepiest part to be that Shepard didn't actually die. Miranda states later that she found him in extremely bad shape, all but unrecoverable, yet in the beginning while being 'dead' Shepard clearly hears her state that he has been recovered and project Lazarus is underway.

The game didn't touch on this, but I found it to be downright creepy. And I am very surprised that the plot analyzers have not seem to caught this well after the game has been released.

So his heart is rotten and not moving... but his alive? Shepard is flat out dead, no questions there. Im actually working in a fan fic that explains his resurrection.

[Vicious]

As it happened in-game, I believe it more than I believe 99% of forum postulating.

[stewie1974]

ya know.... if you want awesome writing , there is this wee invention called a book. You can find them in bookstores or dusty old buildings in almost any old town.



Mass Effect is never going to win an oscar for best original screen play, yes, yes I know .I'm a heretic...



It's a SCI -FANTASY ACTION RPG.... Hardly any of the science will hold up in reality..some of it will, most of it won't it's not sci-fi because a "real science principle" is not integreal to the plot development .... hense it's like star wars in that vein.... a sci fantasy... instead of the force, you have biotics... sure biotics have a "cheesy explaination of fudge science " to explain them... but dude... no bloody way....



So it's sci fantasy... its not 1984, its not war and peace... it's not shogan. either accept it as it is, or complain somemore like a baby. You want decent literature or screenplays check out a bookstore or get yourself a citizen kane or something... .and if you still find yourself critiquing those too.... really just kill yourself or write something better... hell tell you what...



those who think they can write better screenplays? DO IT... post up on a seperate thread called "MASS EFFECT MY SCREENPLAY".



Money and mouth time.

[Axeface]

Erm, it's just part of a story. If writers didnt think and come up with anything... at all.... then stories would be....



"Once upon a time a man was born, the end"

[belwin]

Slidell505 wrote...

Kavadas wrote...
They'll come up with another random and pointless plot device for ME3, have no fear.

Oh, thank god. I was worried. My moneys on a Men in Black mind wipe pen.

look at the red light,
it will tell you the start of ME3.

[Skyblade012]

I hope there was nothing else to it. That it was just a means to reset the slate to blank. I want Shepard to be Shepard. I don't want some big twist or reveal about the reincarnation.

[--Master of All--]

Justin Morgan wrote...

--Master of All-- wrote...

I would prefer the character creation screen pop up at the beginning of the game with no explanation whatsoever, if it means we can avoid another obviously contrived plot mechanism to 'reset' Shepard's appearance and skills. They can get away with a "Project Lazarus" sort of thing once, but the second time it's going to be a pretty transparent maneuver to seasoned players. Might as well let the player distribute skill points and alter their appearance through a menu before the game officially 'begins', and give the writers a break from justifying game design choices with another ridiculous plot line.

i have never seen so many nit picking armchair game writers.

Yeah, I hammed it up a bit for the camera, but whether nit-picky or not, it is true that Bioware will probably do something similar again with ME3, and it could all be made a lot simpler with a character creation/import menu that is completely detached from the plot. Even the most die-hard fans would probably shrug it off as a concession to game design. Instead, they'll likely once again mask it as a plot element, and leave the door open for more threads like this one 

Modifié par --Master of All--, 17 septembre 2010 - 12:35 .

[Reika]

Honestly, I found the death and resurrection plot to be part of the overall religious feel, or aspect of the games. ME2 just deepened the feel.



Maybe it was for reasons 3, 4, and 5, but either way it didn't bother me.



I will be irked if they do it again in ME3 though.

[Unit-Alpha]

3,4,5 and BW needed to allow people to recreate their ME1 save characters with a different appearance and class.

[RurikShepard]

earthbornFemShep wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

krownhunter07 wrote...

Maybe I missed it whilst reading the aforementioned book, but where does it imply "what shepherd really is"?

And more importantly, WHAT does it imply?

I think he was saying that Cmdr Shepard may be made using some Reaper tech Cerberus obtained in the salvage operations on the Citadel.  Maybe that is why Shep has a red glow when his scars rip open.

However, in the beginning on ME2 Miranda is quoted as say that he must be "exactly the same" as he was before he was spaced... Since Shepard was not a Reaper-Human hybrid during his first 30 years of life, he shouldn't be now.  Otherwise that's not "exactly the same" as before.

just a thought...

I figured shepard was reaperish after he walked through all of those hazmat zones, without even the slightest sign of trouble..... that and I NEED PAGE NUMBERS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
well that and I wouldn't put it past cerberus to do something so idiotic. retribution proved it....

Modifié par RurikShepard, 17 septembre 2010 - 01:06 .

[Krogan Face]

To the OP's question.



Its a blank slate starting point that allowed BW to sever most meaningful ties with the original ME. They were hopeing to bring in new customers to the franchise, with out selling out their fan base completley...just 75% ish. Its about money suprise!

[Moiaussi]

Miranda: The Illusive Man wanted you brought back exactly as you were before

Shepard: Umm.... I have a new appearance, new class, and my abilities are starting from scratch. I swear I was better at biotic powers than this!

Miranda: Perfect! Exactly as you were before!



Give me a break....

[Hopefire]

The story is about GI Jesus vs. C'thulu and his Amazing Friends.





I'm prepared to accept my savior resurrecting.

[Fishy]

All i care about .. I want some mission happening on earth

[Iakus]

Perhaps it was intended to have some kind of religious symbolism (given the name Shepard and all) but it never gets explored that I can see. After Shep gets rezzed, the whole incident is pretty much forgotten. People who knew Shepard react more like he/she has been taking a leave of absence or an extended cruise than being dead. No one so much as asks if Shepard saw a light. Even Shepard is awfully calm about an even that was quite literally life-altering. No philosophical musings. No comparisons of the various religions of the galaxy and their views on death.. No "maybe it's a ghost, maybe it's a hallucination" chats with Saren, warning that the Reapers are still out there. No questions about what sort of device or procedure can revitalize such a thoroughly dead corpse Yes, I too suspect Reaper technology was involved). Shepard was meat. Now Shepard is not-meat. This should be significant, but it's not.



To be fair, I doubt Bioware wants to start a holy war over religion in the Mass Effect universe, and simply decided to sidestep the issue. However, by killing and ressurecting Shepard, they put the questions out there. They should not have gone with such a concept if they were not willing to run with it. I submit that if they wanted to reset Shepard's squad, ship and appearance, there were easier, less heavy-handed ways to do it. .



Bioware stories are normally a cut above this kind of thing, which agravates me. I'm somewhat worried about how ME 3 will start. Will the Illusive Man finally decide Shepard is no longer useful and remote-detonate the Normandy 2?