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[Graz73]

My playthroughs did not get these responses, but apparently some of yours did.

If you invite Liara to the Normandy at the end of LotSB, and tell her about your other LI, she apparently has some responses.

Does anyone know what all 6 of these responses are?  I'd love to see a video compilation. 

[InHarmsWay]

Her angry responses happen right after Vasir's fight. The mention of your ME2 LI comes up if you cheat on Liara. If you did not romance Liara in the first game, your ME2 LI will not be mentioned after Vasir's fight. They will be mentioned in your cabin.

Examples of angry responses:
Tali: "You're just itching to get under her helmet."
Thane: "You're trying to replace a dying man's wife."
Jack: "I've been dumped for a tatooed woman with anger issues."

She'll mention your LI in a more peaceful tone in the cabin near the end of the conversation. She'll ask what you're fighting for. I believe Tali's and Garrus' conversation changes when you romance her first in ME1 and then cheated on her. For example:

Liara: So what are you fighting for, Shepard? A chance to give Miss Vas Normandy a homeworld?
Shepard: Tali's important to me.
Liara: And she's been awestruck of you since she came onto the Normandy two years ago.
Shepard: You could have told me at the time.
Liara(not romance in ME1): And ruin the fun in finding out for yourself?
Liara(romanced in ME1): I was naive, Shepard, but not that naive. I didn't want to add to the competition.
Liara(closing the conversation): I hope you two find some happiness.

Other lines she uses for each LI: (as best as I can remember)
Jacob:
"A chance to go dancing and drinking with Mr. Taylor."
"He's stable."

Garrus:
"To give Garrus some peace?"

Miranda:
Liara: "To fight for the best of Humanity as evident in the perfect Miss Lawson."
Shepard: "I'm not too sure if she's changed so much."
Liara: "She has! When I met her, she was so focused on her work. Now she has you."

Modifié par InHarmsWay, 14 septembre 2010 - 02:47 .

[FlyinElk212]

Graz73 wrote...

My playthroughs did not get these responses, but apparently some of yours did.

If you invite Liara to the Normandy at the end of LotSB, and tell her about your other LI, she apparently has some responses.

Does anyone know what all 6 of these responses are?  I'd love to see a video compilation. 

AAAAAGREEEEEEEEEEED!

So far i've only seen Thane's and Miranda's response in the cabin (both of which had Liara unromanced in ME1). Seeing slight variations between unromanced and romanced Liara's leads me to believe there are 18 variables:

ANGRY OUTCRIES AFTER VASIR: 6
-Miranda
-Jack
-Tali
-Jacob
-Thane
-Garrus

CABIN TALKS: 12
-Miranda, Unromanced Liara
-Miranda, Romanced Liara
-Jack, Unromanced Liara
-Jack, Romanced Liara
-Tali, Unromanced Liara
-Tali, Romanced Liara

-Jacob, Unromanced Liara
-Jacob, Romanced Liara
-Thane, Unromanced Liara
-Thane, Romanced Liara
-Garrus, Unromanced Liara
-Garrus, Romanced Liara

SO WHO WANTS TO MAKE THE VID?!!!11

[Graz73]

@FlyinElk212 : Wow you are right. There could be a lot of these!



I was in a romance w Tali when I did LotSB, but Liara never mentioned Tali in any angry outburst!?! She just mentioned that I "was with someone" later in the SB lair. Do the angry outbursts just happen if I'm playing Renegade?

[didymos1120]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

CABIN TALKS: 12
[snip]

Make that 7, because Tali is the only LI with variant dialogue (only the one line, too) for the "Romanced Liara in ME1" case.

[didymos1120]

Graz73 wrote...

@FlyinElk212 : Wow you are right. There could be a lot of these!

I was in a romance w Tali when I did LotSB, but Liara never mentioned Tali in any angry outburst!?! She just mentioned that I "was with someone" later in the SB lair. Do the angry outbursts just happen if I'm playing Renegade?

After killing Vasir, you have to take all the Paragon interrupts and then tell Liara you want to talk about your relationship.  If you cheated, she'll have a line for whoever it is you're with now.

[Heavensrun]

didymos1120 wrote...

Graz73 wrote...

@FlyinElk212 : Wow you are right. There could be a lot of these!

I was in a romance w Tali when I did LotSB, but Liara never mentioned Tali in any angry outburst!?! She just mentioned that I "was with someone" later in the SB lair. Do the angry outbursts just happen if I'm playing Renegade?

After killing Vasir, you have to take all the Paragon interrupts and then tell Liara you want to talk about your relationship.  If you cheated, she'll have a line for whoever it is you're with now.

I'm getting a little tired of people calling it cheating.  The -game- doesn't even treat it like cheating.  Apart from Liara getting a little overemotional when you try to restart things (-while- being with someone else) she's generally pretty understanding if you went with an alternative in the meantime.

I have three sheps, for each of the backgrounds, all basically variations on the same character (slider wise).  My Paragon shep was all about sticking with Liara.  Second shep, Renegade, flirted with Liara but turned to romanced Kaiden, who died, romanced Jacob, who died (I'm evil) And was then swayed by how -seriously- devoted Liara was to her, and decided to go back to her after LOTSB.  For that part, she didn't do the paragon interrupts, and the only mention of another love interest was later in the lair when she said I was "with someone", and when I said I wanted her, she basically just mentioned how she didn't want to cause any conflicts or choices.

All told, I was pretty impressed at how the game tracked my romance elements (It recognized that I had expressed attraction to Liara, even though I didn't end up with her at the end of ME1, so there was something to resume.)

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Heavensrun wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Graz73 wrote...

@FlyinElk212 : Wow you are right. There could be a lot of these!

I was in a romance w Tali when I did LotSB, but Liara never mentioned Tali in any angry outburst!?! She just mentioned that I "was with someone" later in the SB lair. Do the angry outbursts just happen if I'm playing Renegade?

After killing Vasir, you have to take all the Paragon interrupts and then tell Liara you want to talk about your relationship.  If you cheated, she'll have a line for whoever it is you're with now.

I'm getting a little tired of people calling it cheating.  The -game- doesn't even treat it like cheating.  Apart from Liara getting a little overemotional when you try to restart things (-while- being with someone else) she's generally pretty understanding if you went with an alternative in the meantime.

I have three sheps, for each of the backgrounds, all basically variations on the same character (slider wise).  My Paragon shep was all about sticking with Liara.  Second shep, Renegade, flirted with Liara but turned to romanced Kaiden, who died, romanced Jacob, who died (I'm evil) And was then swayed by how -seriously- devoted Liara was to her, and decided to go back to her after LOTSB.  For that part, she didn't do the paragon interrupts, and the only mention of another love interest was later in the lair when she said I was "with someone", and when I said I wanted her, she basically just mentioned how she didn't want to cause any conflicts or choices.

All told, I was pretty impressed at how the game tracked my romance elements (It recognized that I had expressed attraction to Liara, even though I didn't end up with her at the end of ME1, so there was something to resume.)

Wait. Did you say you didn't romance Liara, but still managed to get a choice if you wish to start a romance with Liara or not? I played the DLC with my single-Shep, and thought it was impossible.

[didymos1120]

Heavensrun wrote...


I'm getting a little tired of people calling it cheating. 

OK, well don't wear yourself out.  It's just a convenient shorthand for the gameplay mechanic of switching to a new LI.  I'm not making a moral judgement, and if others are, that's not my problem.

[Heavensrun]

didymos1120 wrote...

Heavensrun wrote...


I'm getting a little tired of people calling it cheating. 

OK, well don't wear yourself out.  It's just a convenient shorthand for the gameplay mechanic of switching to a new LI.  I'm not making a moral judgement, and if others are, that's not my problem.

I didn't say I'm stressing over it, I just don't think it's a fair descriptor, and I've seen people get paranoid about it because of the inherent negativity of the term. 

[Heavensrun]

Lizardviking wrote...

Heavensrun wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Graz73 wrote...

@FlyinElk212 : Wow you are right. There could be a lot of these!

I was in a romance w Tali when I did LotSB, but Liara never mentioned Tali in any angry outburst!?! She just mentioned that I "was with someone" later in the SB lair. Do the angry outbursts just happen if I'm playing Renegade?

After killing Vasir, you have to take all the Paragon interrupts and then tell Liara you want to talk about your relationship.  If you cheated, she'll have a line for whoever it is you're with now.

I'm getting a little tired of people calling it cheating.  The -game- doesn't even treat it like cheating.  Apart from Liara getting a little overemotional when you try to restart things (-while- being with someone else) she's generally pretty understanding if you went with an alternative in the meantime.

I have three sheps, for each of the backgrounds, all basically variations on the same character (slider wise).  My Paragon shep was all about sticking with Liara.  Second shep, Renegade, flirted with Liara but turned to romanced Kaiden, who died, romanced Jacob, who died (I'm evil) And was then swayed by how -seriously- devoted Liara was to her, and decided to go back to her after LOTSB.  For that part, she didn't do the paragon interrupts, and the only mention of another love interest was later in the lair when she said I was "with someone", and when I said I wanted her, she basically just mentioned how she didn't want to cause any conflicts or choices.

All told, I was pretty impressed at how the game tracked my romance elements (It recognized that I had expressed attraction to Liara, even though I didn't end up with her at the end of ME1, so there was something to resume.)

Wait. Did you say you didn't romance Liara, but still managed to get a choice if you wish to start a romance with Liara or not? I played the DLC with my single-Shep, and thought it was impossible.

I didn't -complete- the romance with Liara.  I flirted with her and Kaiden up until the point I had to choose, chose Kaiden, and then left him on Virmire.  ;p  I think the game recognized that there had -been- a relationship, even if it didn't complete.

My third shep was all about Kaiden, totally straight, no expressed tendencies towards girls or aliens that happen to look exactly like girls and have girlparts but are somehow "genderless" for PR purposes.  ;p  She got "just friends" behavior from Liara, through and through.  No romance convo options.

[didymos1120]

Heavensrun wrote...
I didn't say I'm stressing over it, I just don't think it's a fair descriptor, and I've seen people get paranoid about it because of the inherent negativity of the term. 

Yeah, I get it, but it's become part of the common ME vocabulary and most of the time people aren't being too serious about it.  It's sort of like ME2 using "Loyalty" to stand in for a few different things besides just loyalty itself.  It's not a model of accuracy, but it works.

[didymos1120]

Lizardviking wrote...

Wait. Did you say you didn't romance Liara, but still managed to get a choice if you wish to start a romance with Liara or not? I played the DLC with my single-Shep, and thought it was impossible.

Hmmm.  Well ME1 has an integer assigned to each "level" of dating which corresponds to how far you took the relationship.  Basically, it amounts to how many conversations you had with them in which you chose the relationship-progressing replies.   If you got to the "sex-simulator" bit, you're at level 6.  It's possible that if you get it to 5 (or possibly even 4) with Liara, that's enough for the game to open up the option to rekindle things, even if you ultimately chose Kaidan or Ash.

ETA: Ah, yeah, I see that's pretty much what happened in Heavensrun's case.

Modifié par didymos1120, 14 septembre 2010 - 06:52 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

didymos1120 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Wait. Did you say you didn't romance Liara, but still managed to get a choice if you wish to start a romance with Liara or not? I played the DLC with my single-Shep, and thought it was impossible.

Hmmm.  Well ME1 has an integer assigned to each "level" of dating which corresponds to how far you took the relationship.  Basically, it amounts to how many conversations you had with them in which you chose the relationship-progressing replies.   If you got to the "sex-simulator" bit, you're at level 6.  It's possible that if you get it to 5 (or possibly even 4) with Liara, that's enough for the game to open up the option to rekindle things, even if you ultimately chose Kaidan or Ash.

ETA: Ah, yeah, I see that's pretty much what happened in Heavensrun's case.

Ah. I see! Thanks for the info.

Oh well.. But there's always ME3!

[FlyinElk212]

didymos1120 wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...

CABIN TALKS: 12
[snip]

Make that 7, because Tali is the only LI with variant dialogue (only the one line, too) for the "Romanced Liara in ME1" case.

>_______< More Tali favoritism? Even in DLC? Bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeegh.

Granted, it iS only like 1 more line of recorded dialogue (the other romanctic perk Tali has over others being the follow up-convo to the romance). That being said, would it've killed Bioware to write and record out 5 more lines for the others?

[didymos1120]

Getting back on-topic:

Ah, what the hell.  I'll transcribe 'em.

Here are the angry outbursts:

Garrus:  Yes, you came back! And now, Garrus is doing a lot more than just calibrating the Normandy's guns!

Jack: Yes, you came back!  And I've been tossed aside for a tattooed woman with anger issues!

Jacob: Yes, you came back! And now you're more interested in seeing Jacob with his shirt off!

Miranda: Yes, you came back! And now you'd rather pass time with Miss Lawson and her low-cut jumpsuit!

Tali: Yes, you came back! And now you're itching to get under Tali's helmet!

Thane: Yes, you came back! And now you're trying to take the place of a dying man's wife!

And the Normandy stuff:

Garrus

Liara: A chance to give Garrus some peace?

Shep: He's been hurt. Betrayed.  He deserves something better. I never thought I'd find peace in the arms of a turian, but...

Liara: Why not? Humans seem to have no trouble finding asari attractive.

Shep: Everyone finds asari attractive.

Jack

Liara: A chance to give Jack faith in something more than anger?

Shep: She's getting better...relatively speaking.

Liara: That's not actually reassuring.

Shep: I suppose not, but she's important to me.

Jacob

Liara:  Drinks and dancing with Jacob?

Shep: He's a good man.

Liara: He's solid. Stable. You may need that more than you think in the time to come.

(Wow, even that's boring.  Poor bastard.)

Miranda

Liara: The future of humanity, as evidenced by the perfect Miss Lawson?

Shep: She's got her issues, but she trusts me. And I care about her.

Liara: She was so cold when I first met her: completely focused on her duty.

Shep: I don't know that she's lightened up that much.

Liara: She has. Believe me. You have no idea how much you've changed her.

Tali

Liara:  A chance to give Ms. Vas Normandy a homeworld?

Shep: Tali's important to me.

Liara: And she's been awestruck since you brought her onto the Normandy two years ago.

Shep: You could have mentioned that at the time.

Liara (romanced): I was naive, Shepard, but not that naive. I had a...vested interest in not adding more competition.
Liara (not romanced): And save you the fun of finding out on your own?

Thane

Liara:  A few stolen months with Thane, before the inevitable?

Shep: The Kepral's Syndrome isn't bad yet, but I don't how much longer we have.

Liara: You're going through what an asari does with a shorter-lived spouse. It's not about how much time you have. It's about what you do with it.

Modifié par didymos1120, 14 septembre 2010 - 07:07 .

[thepaladin1]

You win 7 free interwebs.

didymos1120 wrote...

Getting back on-topic:

Ah, what the hell.  I'll transcribe 'em.

Here are the angry outbursts:

Garrus:  Yes, you came back! And now, Garrus is doing a lot more than just calibrating the Normandy's guns!

Jack: Yes, you came back!  And I've been tossed aside for a tattooed woman with anger issues!

Jacob: Yes, you came back! And now you're more interested in seeing Jacob with his shirt off!

Miranda: Yes, you came back! And now you'd rather pass time with Miss Lawson and her low-cut jumpsuit!

Tali: Yes, you came back! And now you're itching to get under Tali's helmet!

Thane: Yes, you came back! And now you're trying to take the place of a dying man's wife!

And the Normandy stuff:

Garrus

Liara: A chance to give Garrus some peace?

Shep: He's been hurt. Betrayed.  He deserves something better. I never thought I'd find peace in the arms of a turian, but...

Liara: Why not? Humans seem to have no trouble finding asari attractive.

Shep: Everyone finds asari attractive.

Jack

Liara: A chance to give Jack faith in something more than anger?

Shep: She's getting better...relatively speaking.

Liara: That's not actually reassuring.

Shep: I suppose not, but she's important to me.

Jacob

Liara:  Drinks and dancing with Jacob?

Shep: He's a good man.

Liara: He's solid. Stable. You may need that more than you think in the time to come.

(Wow, even that's boring.  Poor bastard.)

Miranda

Liara: The future of humanity, as evidenced by the perfect Miss Lawson?

Shep: She's got her issues, but she trusts me. And I care about her.

Liara: She was so cold when I first met her: completely focused on her duty.

Shep: I don't know that she's lightened up that much.

Liara: She has. Believe me. You have no idea how much you've changed her.

Tali

Liara:  A chance to give Ms. Vas Normandy a homeworld?

Shep: Tali's important to me.

Liara: And she's been awestruck since you brought her onto the Normandy two years ago.

Shep: You could have mentioned that at the time.

Liara (romanced): I was naive, Shepard, but not that naive. I had a...vested interest in not adding more competition.
Liara (not romanced): And save you the fun of finding out on your own?

Thane

Liara:  A few stolen months with Thane, before the inevitable?

Shep: The Kepral's Syndrome isn't bad yet, but I don't how much longer we have.

Liara: You're going through what an asari does with a shorter-lived spouse. It's not about how much time you have. It's about what you do with it.

[LadyJaneGrey]

Wow.  Liara's angry retort about Garrus is fantastic.  The one about Thane is incredibly cold - accurate or not. 

Thanks for the transcription!

[didymos1120]

FlyinElk212 wrote...


>_______< More Tali favoritism? Even in DLC? Bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeegh.

Granted, it iS only like 1 more line of recorded dialogue (the other romanctic perk Tali has over others being the follow up-convo to the romance). That being said, would it've killed Bioware to write and record out 5 more lines for the others?

They didn't do it because there's no reason to.  Tali is the only LI who both knew and was interested in Shep back in the day.  Garrus was around, but the thought of hooking up with Shep never even crossed his mind until Shep brings it up toward the end of ME2.  And the line isn't about Tali anyway, but Liara.  It shows you she was still pretty perceptive despite her overall social awkwardness and that she wasn't quite the guileless innocent she so often seemed to be.

[jlb524]

Thanks for these...I was curious.



Damn, even Liara thinks Jacob is a bit boring. He's 'stable'...zzzzzz

[NuclearBuddha]

Thanks for the compilation. I'd been wondering about Jack and Miranda.

[Larask]

I was wondering about this earlier, thanks for sharing!

[Liec]

Thanks for the transcript! I couldn't find what Liara said about Jacob anywhere else.

[Fiery Phoenix]

When do I get the angry outburst, exactly?

[OneDrunkMonk]

I can't honestly say Liara's interest in Shepard was as strong in ME2 or LotSB as it was in ME1. She shows a lot more passionate interest in Feron and retribution against the Shadow Broker. I can't imagine her getting all upset that you hooked up with someone else, when she, for the most part, seemed to have moved on from Shepard. Sure she has some interest but you really have to push to get there.



Perhaps it all seems a bit off because Liara in ME2 seemed like an afterthought. The script wasn't fully realized. When I herd her say "Shepard, how nice to see you again." it was like..."Uh, so the guy you saved from oblivion is now back in the flesh right in front of you and your not taken aback even a little?"