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[Thompson family]

I've never picked Morinth for my team, always going with Samara. I'm curious about what her Shadow Broker Dossier says, though.

[Xilizhra]

There is none, sadly.

[dreman9999]

Nothing. She doesn't have one.

In fact you don't get Samara's if you have Morinth. A person on the run would not put stuff online about themselves but it still boring.

[Christmas Ape]

In fact you don't get Samara's if you have Morinth. A person on the run would not put stuff online about themselves but it still boring.

What an absolutely wasted opportunity by Bioware. Getting that conversation and her will, more or less, after you'd betrayed her and let Morinth kill her? That would have had what we call 'impact'. What possessed them to leave that out? If no-one at Bioware thought of it, I demand we begin contract negotiations for my employment.

EDIT: Emphasis mine.

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 14 septembre 2010 - 06:01 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Morinth made a habit of not leaving a trail, and I could see her not using the extranet without some sort of anonymous access. What (first-person) into would be out there for the SB to have gathered about her?

EDIT:  At most I could see a collection of local police reports and news articles where it's obvious to someone who has them all that there's a pattern.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 14 septembre 2010 - 06:29 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Christmas Ape wrote...

In fact you don't get Samara's if you have Morinth. A person on the run would not put stuff online about themselves but it still boring.

What an absolutely wasted opportunity by Bioware. Getting that conversation and her will, more or less, after you'd betrayed her and let Morinth kill her? That would have had what we call 'impact'. What possessed them to leave that out? If no-one at Bioware thought of it, I demand we begin contract negotiations for my employment.

EDIT: Emphasis mine.

Agreed, getting Samara's info after betraying her would have been some great game design.

[tonnactus]

Shandepared wrote...

I agree. It was an excellent chance to flesh Morinth out a little considering she has many fewer conversations than Samara does. Even despite that I find her to be a very interesting character.

I agree.

[PsyrenY]

Morinth may be good at covering her tracks, but even she shouldn't be able to hide from the Shadow Broker. Does he not have agents in Eclipse?

[Nightwriter]

Morinth's lack of a dossier made me disappointed in the perceived skill of the Shadow Broker, who I had always seen as being set up to be damn near omniscient.

[PsyrenY]

Shandepared wrote...

Well, she managed to hide from TIM and TIM outsmarted the Shadow Broker. Perhaps this is why Shepard decided he wanted her on this team. She really is that good.

Pfft, Garrus hid from TIM too, and the SB knew everything about him. I'm not buying it.

Any Shepard that recruits Morinth is bat**** insane anyways...

[Himmelstor]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Well, she managed to hide from TIM and TIM outsmarted the Shadow Broker. Perhaps this is why Shepard decided he wanted her on this team. She really is that good.

Pfft, Garrus hid from TIM too, and the SB knew everything about him. I'm not buying it.

Any Shepard that recruits Morinth is bat**** insane anyways...

Or understands that - if they are Renegade - Samara would hunt them down afterwards.
Morinth, as long as kept at arm's lenght, will not try to harm Shepard if and/or when their alliance closes.

[archurban]

morinth's dossier? she doesn't have it at all. why? she isn't supposed to join the party. she is alternative. simple.

[Cyberfrog81]

Maybe next to no-one recruits her. BioWare probably has stats on it, which I would be interested to see.



The last checks are difficult, not to mention the way it's set up it seems more than a little bit insane to recruit Morinth instead. Missed opportunity to give us a tough dilemma.

[Himmelstor]

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

Maybe next to no-one recruits her. BioWare probably has stats on it, which I would be interested to see.

The last checks are difficult, not to mention the way it's set up it seems more than a little bit insane to recruit Morinth instead. Missed opportunity to give us a tough dilemma.

Again, to be Devil's Advocate, I must point out that Samara may have to hunt Shepard down after the mission against the Collecters is finished.
While one should not sleep with the Ardat-Yakshi, it is a definite benefit for a Renegade character. An ounce of prevention, you know...

Modifié par Himmelstor, 15 septembre 2010 - 12:43 .

[dreman9999]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Well, she managed to hide from TIM and TIM outsmarted the Shadow Broker. Perhaps this is why Shepard decided he wanted her on this team. She really is that good.

Any Shepard that recruits Morinth is bat**** insane anyways...

Or wants to die(My sole survivor Engineer)or wants a ringer on the team to help take down Cerberus then die.(Same character)

Modifié par dreman9999, 15 septembre 2010 - 12:49 .

[Mummolus]

Also dominate is awesome.

[dreman9999]

Himmelstor wrote...

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

Maybe next to no-one recruits her. BioWare probably has stats on it, which I would be interested to see.

The last checks are difficult, not to mention the way it's set up it seems more than a little bit insane to recruit Morinth instead. Missed opportunity to give us a tough dilemma.

Again, to be Devil's Advocate, I must point out that Samara may have to hunt Shepard down after the mission against the Collecters is finished.
While one should not sleep with the Ardat-Yakshi, it is a definite benefit for a Renegade character. An ounce of prevention, you know...

Ha....a true full renegade character would tell her to bring it and kill her any way.(My solder)

[stewie1974]

well as the dossiers are only about people shepard knows, maybe liaria dosn't know that morinth is masquarading as samara and so didn't see fit to put out a "morinth" dosssier...and also you'll note there is no "Liara" dossier either.... seems liaria is being a bit of a **** to me, by giving shepard all the dirt on his crew and friends...

[didymos1120]

Himmelstor wrote...

Again, to be Devil's Advocate, I must point out that Samara may have to hunt Shepard down after the mission against the Collecters is finished.

That argument doesn't really work though, because Samara does not intend to do that and she tells you so.  What she actually says is that she hopes she doesn't see you again after you part ways (if you have the talk pre-SM, then it's also assuming you both survive), because if so, then she probably will take a shot at you.  It's also quite clear that she's just going to end up back in asari space, idle comments on hub worlds notwithstanding. 

Shep isn't likely to be spending a whole lot of time touring the Asari Republics so it's a pretty ridiculously minimal "threat" and one hell of a thin reed on which to base an argument for choosing Morinth. Really, Samara's telling you that despite the things she knows you've done, she doesn't want to kill you and will not try unless you show up in her "jurisdiction" and do something she can't ignore.

ETA: Consider Nihlus.  She gave it her best shot, and he outsmarted her.  She never went after him, and simply moved on to other problems.

Modifié par didymos1120, 15 septembre 2010 - 01:43 .

[didymos1120]

yorkj86 wrote...

Moreover, Samara would be in a similar situation with Renegade Shepard, as she was with Nihlus and his hostage.  If she attempted to kill Nihlus, he would execute his hostage.  If she kills Shepard, the only person in the galaxy doing anything about the Reapers will die, thus endangering trillions of innocent lives.  Having her actually attack Shepard in ME3 would be very out-of-character.

EDIT: You added in the part about Nihlus, but I'll still leave my post up.

Just as well, since you made some additional points based on that incident that I didn't.

Modifié par didymos1120, 15 septembre 2010 - 01:47 .

[Terraneaux]

yorkj86 wrote...
 Having her actually attack Shepard in ME3 would be very out-of-character.

I disagree.  She's willing to kill for the code; six or six trillion, she's still willing to do it.  Her code isn't about preserving lives, it's about ass-backwards archaic ideas about honor and 'eye-for-an-eye' style justice.  

Yeah, and Bioware really dropped the ball with the lack of a dossier for Morinth (or putting Samara's in).  I think they are just ignoring the idea that Morinth is even a viable character option.