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[Kavadas]

My biggest fear of ME3 is that there will be some inane "Deus Ex Machina" device which will resolve the Reaper threat in one fell swoop.

No matter what it is I feel like any quick or instant resolution just makes the conflict incredibly cheap and the struggle through and 1 and 2 seem pointless.

My biggest fear is that something is going come to about regarding the dark energy research conducted by the Quarians on Haestrom's sun.

Bioware, please don't.

I implore you to model a real conflict.  A grueling conflict with massive losses on both sides.  Maybe an entire race/civilization or three will have to be sacrificed in the process but please make it feel like this is a real conflict with a real price.

There should bo no instantenous turning point in ME3, no moment that players can point to and proclaim, "Aha, that's when I beat the Reapers!"  I really want the campaign to feel like I'm grinding myself on a stone.

I want massive battle after massive battle after massive battle.  I want to be on the bridge of the flagship dreadnaught of the 5th Fleet, Admiral Hackett by my side, one second and stepping out of an armored troop transport to lead a marine detachment on a ground assault the next.

When it's all over with I want to look around and see the galaxy in utter ruins, the Reapers defeated, and just enough sentients and resources left to begin rebuilding.  I want to feel like the final battle in a long war left total victory mere inches away from being pyrrhic and hollow.

Don't cheese it all out on us and don't feel like you absolutely have to make it end in some crazy M. Night Shymalan-type twist.

Now make it happen!

Modifié par Kavadas, 14 septembre 2010 - 08:22 .

[Phaedon]

If they are going to use something cheap, then do it right.

Have Shephard evacuate everyone from the Normandy before the final battle, and go kamikaze at FTL speeds aiming at the Reaper fleet. Everyone thinks that Shep is dead but then...SURPRISE ! Shephard left in a shuttle a few minutes before Normandy crashed.

But yeah, don't make it cheap.

Modifié par Phaedon, 14 septembre 2010 - 08:27 .

[robtheguru]

Phaedon wrote...

If they are going to use something cheap, then do it right.

Have Shephard evacuate everyone from the Normandy before the final battle, and go kamikaze at FTL speeds aiming at the Reaper fleet. Everyone thinks that Shep is dead but then...SURPRISE ! Shephard left in a shuttle a few minutes before Normandy crashed.

But yeah, don't make it cheap.

That was my plan, but i'd have left the council on board. Would be nice to see their reaction to the last thing they really see being Shepard saying, "Yes....Reapers"

Either way, it will be interesting to see how Bioware handle it. I personally think there will be a few big scale conflicts only for there to be a turning point involving some sort of superweapon. Not that i'll complain. Bioware just need to handle it right.

[GamerJ]

true big mako tanks unloading troops and urdnot battle tanks and everywere u see ships in the air fighting and bombartment artillery fire and things like that, destroyed citys turian ships flighing over while fireing rockets at the reaper ships AA guns and everything salarian special task group in the attack rachni ships and all that kind of things to make it look like a real big battle of the survival of the galactic community



not a cheap ending like the reaper fleet was a dream or somthing like that. it would be verry dissapointed =-(

[nremies1]

I agree OP, it should be epic like that.



Though I wonder if that's more suited to a renegade ending, given that the rumor is that the ME3 endings will be fairly divergent depending on how you played 1 and 2. If you've been running around unifying everybody and making friends it might not have to be pyrric.



I also really wonder who we'll be actually fighting against on the ground in ME3...as you say there should be tons of fleet combat, but I think of that ME1 scene where Williams wonders what she's going to do against a Reaper with an assault rifle. More husks? Another new race pulled out of thin air to serve as the ground enemies?

[Phaedon]

GamerJ wrote...

true big mako tanks unloading troops and urdnot battle tanks and everywere u see ships in the air fighting and bombartment artillery fire and things like that, destroyed citys turian ships flighing over while fireing rockets at the reaper ships AA guns and everything salarian special task group in the attack rachni ships and all that kind of things to make it look like a real big battle of the survival of the galactic community

not a cheap ending like the reaper fleet was a dream or somthing like that. it would be verry dissapointed =-(

If I remember correctly from CDN, turians have some kick-ass tanks.

robtheguru wrote...That was my plan, but i'd have left the council on board. Would be nice to see their reaction to the last thing they really see being Shepard saying, "Yes....Reapers"

Either way, it will be interesting to see how Bioware handle it. I personally think there will be a few big scale conflicts only for there to be a turning point involving some sort of superweapon. Not that i'll complain. Bioware just need to handle it right.

Nah, no superweapons please. An ending involving dark energy would be cool though. Or something really deep like the Reapers really being our 'salvation'.

[stuffingam]

I think that there will be some kind of final revalation, a bigger picture kind of thing, i mean...Bioware haven't really revealed much about The Reapers or The Cycle in ME 1 & 2. As far as the Deus Ex Machina goes I don't think the will have one, but I think the ending will cliched, but you know...one of those time honoured cliches that just make you "awesome!"

[ztonkin]

In LotSB, Liara mentioned that the old Broker thought that the Protheans still had a few secrets to be discovered. Who wants to bet that it's an "Insta-kill the Reaper Fleet" device?

[robtheguru]

Phaedon wrote...

GamerJ wrote...

true big mako tanks unloading troops and urdnot battle tanks and everywere u see ships in the air fighting and bombartment artillery fire and things like that, destroyed citys turian ships flighing over while fireing rockets at the reaper ships AA guns and everything salarian special task group in the attack rachni ships and all that kind of things to make it look like a real big battle of the survival of the galactic community

not a cheap ending like the reaper fleet was a dream or somthing like that. it would be verry dissapointed =-(

If I remember correctly from CDN, turians have some kick-ass tanks.

robtheguru wrote...That was my plan, but i'd have left the council on board. Would be nice to see their reaction to the last thing they really see being Shepard saying, "Yes....Reapers"

Either way, it will be interesting to see how Bioware handle it. I personally think there will be a few big scale conflicts only for there to be a turning point involving some sort of superweapon. Not that i'll complain. Bioware just need to handle it right.

Nah, no superweapons please. An ending involving dark energy would be cool though. Or something really deep like the Reapers really being our 'salvation'.

Well technically the Normandy is equipped with a super weapon. The Thanix cannon that Garrus installs is a scaled down version of the weapon Sovereign used. It was developed by the Turians so if they do indeed have the cannon installed on their own ships, they may not need to find some super weapon, seeing as they already do possess the technology.

[GamerJ]

ztonkin wrote...

In LotSB, Liara mentioned that the old Broker thought that the Protheans still had a few secrets to be discovered. Who wants to bet that it's an "Insta-kill the Reaper Fleet" device?

that would be messed up and dissapointing imagne shepard planting a virus in it and then a big pulse in the space and the reaper fleet is falling down like rain, the battle is won and everyone lived long and happy, the end '

[Roamingmachine]

I'm afraid it's going to be team Shepard on the ground that's going to win this one by pulling a proverbial rabbit out of the proverbial hat, sorry.There is no way that the fleets of the galaxy could win against countless reapers when a single reaper with light support tore apart two powerful fleets and only came down because of Shepards actions.No amount of thanix cannons is going to change that.

I'm more interested in seeing what kind of opponents we are actually going to fight against in ME3 since the collectors are gone and reapers are giant spaceships.

[Welsh Inferno]

I think the new enemy were gonna face on the ground will be a few new races we've never seen before. The Reapers must have a ground force for when they go about "Clensing the Galaxy" after they come through the Relay every time. So i see it as their ground force is a (few different species like the Collecters/Protheans which they have repurpassed and genetically engineered force this purpose alone.



Just some thoughts. But yeah, this series deseres an epic ending like the 1st post says.

[theelementslayer]

Im hoping itll be like cut the head off the snake sort of thing. Kill Harbinger and bam, they are dead or too disorganized and then we can take them. I would love to infiltrate harbinger and destory his core

[Dragonikus]

If someone would use FTL to ram into a reaper then it surely would be Joker with EDI. It would be kinda romantic... but also very sad. And it would also be a strong message that Mass Effect trilogy is over. It would break my heart too, so I hope it never happens. You hear Bioware?!

[Tain87]

theelementslayer wrote...

Im hoping itll be like cut the head off the snake sort of thing. Kill Harbinger and bam, they are dead or too disorganized and then we can take them. I would love to infiltrate harbinger and destory his core

Sovereign said we are each a nation independent of weakness, I don't think that's going to work it's more likely just going to make them angry. 

Does any one believe T.I.M when he said the weapon that kills the reaper you get the IFF is actually broke. A question I have for everyone is how long will it take the reapers to arrive they are in the void, quite a far way so if it does take a good few years for them to arrive the tech levels will have raisin enough to let the galaxy stand a chance. 

Hopefully bioware will not screw us out the epic battles we need to end this trilogy 

[Gibb_Garrus]

Do you seriously think, that if the galactic community went into an "Epic battle" with the reapers, they would survive more than 5 minutes? It took all of citadel space to take down one reaper with heavy casualties, thousands of reapers? No.



The only way ME3 could end is with some kind of uber weapon...........or a paragon persuasion option.

[Kavadas]

Roamingmachine wrote...

There is no way that the fleets of the galaxy could win against countless reapers when a single reaper with light support tore apart two powerful fleets and only came down because of Shepards actions.No amount of thanix cannons is going to change that.

Technology isn't static.  Between the wreckage of Sovereign, the Collector Base, and Prothean relics galactic technology will, and already has, advanced.

Just look at what was possible in a mere two years between the Normandies.  The SR1 got raped and was defenseless against the Collector ship.  The SR2 in turn raped the Collector ship.

The only thing standing between a good a fight between the Reapers and the galactic fleets are Bioware's writers.

Modifié par Kavadas, 14 septembre 2010 - 09:59 .

[MrnDvlDg161]

I would caution folks to not get too far ahead of themselves with this idea about cluttered chaotic space battles and troops on the ground, tank formation ect --- you can only do so much.



If you make your bar way too high your just going to set your self up for some disapointments.



Let the fellahs and gals that carried ME this far play it out, they haven't done a bad job yet -- I have full confidence in their abilities.



HOWEVER



Doesn't mean one can't wish though huh? But you jam pack some of the stuff that has been mentioned already, you'll wind up with 4 CD's in ME3.

[Silver]

I sure hope that BioWare is NOT going to turn ME3 into a strategy game like OP suggested... I absolutely loathe strategy.

[Mike2640]

Yeah, while I hope that we'll at least get a few epic space battles here and there, with the size of the Reaper fleet and the general unstoppableness of them we'll probably have some big thing that takes them all out in the last minute or something. Probably something to do with the dark energy mentioned here and there in ME2. Hopefully though Shepard will be looking into that in between the big fleet fights.

(Spoilers for Lair)

One thing I thought of during LotSB was that I could see Shadow Broker ship, due to its size, ramming into a reaper to take one out. Shepard and the Normandy are pinned down by one and Liara and Ferron (Or just one of them, depending on choices or something) sacrifices themselves to save him. A collision that big could probably take out a Reaper, not to mention freaking awesome.

[Demigod]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...
 you'll wind up with 4 CD's in ME3.

What is wrong with that? It would allow for a story to be told in chapters ala dragon age 2. Hence giving a more realistic depiction of war spread over several years building to a conclusion.

Still I'm sure bioware will give us a great game. I just hope they don't pull a find old/original reaper, insert virus/ bomb = all reapers dead because of network.

[ArcanistLibram]

I'm going to be seriously pissed of ME3 doesn't have a body count of several million, if Bioware glosses over the deaths or if it turns out like Dragon Age Origins, where you spend most of the game doing tangentially relevant sidequests and then suddenly, everything ends in a single battle.



War does not work that way.

[Gibb_Garrus]

Why the hell do some of you want such a depressing ending?



"We need hundreds of millions on our side to be viciously slaughtered to make it feel epic, herp derpr"

[Elite Midget]

Indeed... After a big battle you have to do clean up duties and the enemy has chances of making counter attacks in anattempt to shift the scales to their favor.



I suggest reading the Art of War by Sun Tzu or if you're in for drama read the huge Romance of the Three Kingdoms novel or the conquests of Alexander, Ceaser, or Napoleon.