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shinobi602 wrote...

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Shepard shouldn't survive either.


That's stupid. They will give players a choice. There will be multiple endings.


Exactly. Plus we had sacrifice the council in part I, suicide your squad in part II, and there will be undoubtedly some other option like this in part III to satisfy your urge for martyrdom (yours or someone elses) and there will be some option to chose goodness or darkness (take over for TIM?). But there will not be some guaranteed war where half the galaxy dies and Shepard must martyr himself. They did the martyr thing in FO3 and people loathed it. Despised it. Reviled it. Won't happen.

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Kavadas wrote...

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If you defeat the repears, what is the main threat remaining in the galaxy?


...anything Bioware wants...?

Seriously, why would the Mass Effect universe suddenly cease to exist once the Reapers are dealt with?  There's still dozens of races to enter conflict with one another, unexplored parts of the galaxy, anything else Bioware wants to make up.

Look at ME2, it didn't directly feature any true Reaper, had almost no main plot, and the latest Reaper-Free-DLC pretty much overshadowed the entire main game.

You don't need Reapers to make a ME game interesting.

Thats exactly right. They've established that enormous sentient Machines exist, so its not too hard to stomach that other Eldritch Abominations could be lurking in the dark void of space or in other dimensions. Lets not also forget what happened with the Rachni. They flooded through citadel space after some of the council races were experimenting with opening up new mass relays and such. There's no telling what other species may exist in far off galaxies or just how far the Reapers reach into the galaxy with their mass relays and technology.

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I would caution folks to not get too far ahead of themselves with this idea about cluttered chaotic space battles and troops on the ground, tank formation ect --- you can only do so much.

If you make your bar way too high your just going to set your self up for some disapointments.

Let the fellahs and gals that carried ME this far play it out, they haven't done a bad job yet -- I have full confidence in their abilities.

HOWEVER

Doesn't mean one can't wish though huh? But you jam pack some of the stuff that has been mentioned already, you'll wind up with 4 CD's in ME3.

I feel the same way. It would be kick ass to have Epic battles and such with the reapers, but ultimately I'd rather they just do what they had originally planned for the series.  I feel confident they had a certain endpoint in mind when they created this story and aren't just making it up as they go along.

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Sure, give us blood and carnage and whatnot. As a possible ending. But I also want the possibility to have my sappy Shepley, Shenko, and Shiara (???) happily-ever-afters.

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The only way ME3 could end is with some kind of uber weapon...........or a paragon persuasion option.


:lol::lol:

This is just so epic!  Shep to Harbinger - Please just leave us alone.

Ok then, let's go find another galaxy to reap guys, this chaps persuasion skill is MAXED.

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Well, it worked for Babylon 5.

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ArcanistLibram wrote...

Well, it worked for Babylon 5.

Yeah, but in B5 it was the wheeling & dealing of two different factions against each other using different races.
When that was revealed to all the races, they told the Vorlons & the Shadows to eff off, not wanting to be part of their conflict.

It's kind of different in the ME Universe, as there are just the reapers against all technologically advanced sentient beings.

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Kavadas wrote...

I'd be kinda pissed if simply having "good guy points" made the third game easier.  Just because you went true-blue through all three games doesn't mean you made the right decisions. 

There should be some ambiguity in the consequences.  Maybe melting the rachni queen was the right decision.  Maybe maintaing the genophage wasn't a bad idea.  Maybe rewriting the heretics and reintegrating them into orthodox geth corrupted the orthodex geth.  And so on.

But I really dislike the concept that a pure paragon route would make the game easier or that a pure renegade route would make it more difficult.  There should be give and take on each side and no clear path.


Well, the Krogan obvious will support Sheperd against the Reapers whether he/she cured them or not. Obviously if they're cured there will be tons more Krogan on your side which will help tip the scales or prevent the losses of many more. Krogan can endure quite alot of pain and are quite powerful. If ME2 has told us anything it's that the Reapers do have other species enslaved to them to serve as Ground Forces which could prove devestateing with too few Krogan to fight them.

There's always the Krogan rebelling again after the Reapers are done but it wouldn't be too hard for the Salarians to make a new Genephage again after the Krogan have outlived their use as allies to become enemies. Though if you saved Wrex and help him unite the clans than the Krogan might not rebel at all anyways.

The Rachni have technology and knowledge that the other species don't have. Their ships are far more advanced than the Citadel races since they have remained undetected and easily evaded contact with the Citadel races by dissapearing before they could act. Sure there's a chance the Rachni might be a threat again but there's also a chance to be great and powerful allies.

Legion seems confident that rewriting will work. The Heretics concluded the same thing that's why they tried to rewrite the others as well. They're machines and lack independent thought. Rewriting instantly changes their view and since they lack free will they will not question their being rewritten since it had already happened. They could maybe malfunction later but who knows. Than there's the Quarian vs Geth war and the fact that you can push the Quarians to try and find a peaceful resolution with the Geth. 

Having more allies is always a plus and lets face it. Paragon Sheperd has way more allies than a Renegade Sheperd(Who most likely doesn't even have the Council's trust either).

To me Renegade Sheperd seemed too conservative(Hated taking chances with Aliens) and pro-human(Not racist but wanting humans to become dominant no matter what). While Paragon Sheperd was more open to aliens and wasen't willing to lose his/her humanity to push humans to the top. Such as eradicating the Rachni(Even though humans have had no past history with the Rachni), keeping the Krogan neutered(neutering a whole species is wrong), or destroying the Geth if there's an option to convince(Well, rewrite since you can't convince machines) them that the Reapers are wrong and would cast them aside as well.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 15 septembre 2010 - 04:07 .


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I think the cost of war should be reflected in casualties on your squad. Millions can die off screen and won't matter to anyone playing the game, because they are nameless characters that we have no connection to. I hope Bioware gives the player a Virmire or three, and an end run where some casualties among the squad can't be avoided. I also think Shepard should die.

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They tried the Squad casaulties in ME2 hence the supposed Suicide Run that is easy to turn into No One Left Behind Run.

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Well... They could pull an Oblivion.



Reapers pop up at random places. Board them and destroy the sigil stone... I mean the core.



Do this a thousand+ times, and a giant reaper (Harbinger) will appear. Destroy his core.



THE END



(Not to be taken seriously)

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A little grumbling if you do not mind.
Why all want to see this "pew-pew, Normandy destroys few Reapers by one shot"?

You all speak about DA, but dark spawn have same "technical lever' which Ferelden has and they were defeated several times. Blight is one of Ferelden's natural disasters and army is usual way to stop it.

Now about Reapers. Millions of years of technical progress, resources of thousands harvested civilizations and all it will be beaten (I'm serious, it will, because all ask about it) by turian gun made from reaper garbage for 11 months. Enchantment! :wizard:

I hope Bioware will surprise us all.

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I definitely agree OP. IMO, the war (or looming war) should be front and center in almost every facet of the game. If you went down to a given planet, there would either be panic/evacuations or preparations for war (mobilizing troops, supplies, defenses). Last we saw, there were a LOT of reapers headed for our galaxy and to have a good portion of the conversations or interactions in game be oblivious to the conflict (once it begins) would be very disappointing to me.

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I have faith in Bioware because they haven't given me a reason not to. But I am stumped as far as who the heck we'll be fighting in ME 3 as far as regular bad guys. Do the Reapers hire mercs?



Seriously though, I can't think of who the regular baddies are going to be. Maybe the Geth?

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nelly21 wrote...

I have faith in Bioware because they haven't given me a reason not to. But I am stumped as far as who the heck we'll be fighting in ME 3 as far as regular bad guys. Do the Reapers hire mercs?

Seriously though, I can't think of who the regular baddies are going to be. Maybe the Geth?


I'm sure there will be Geth and Collectors among the cannon fodder the Reapers throw at you, but I'm sure Bioware will introduce a new enemy as well. Since the entire Reaper fleet arrives in the Milky Way Galaxy, perhaps an army of indoctinated?



They tried the Squad casaulties in ME2 hence the supposed Suicide Run that is easy to turn into No One Left Behind Run.


In ME3 it shouldn't be possible to do a No One Left Behind Run. If the story is to have any emotional impact, there has got to be a sense of danger and a sense of loss.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 15 septembre 2010 - 03:16 .


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nelly21 wrote...

I have faith in Bioware because they haven't given me a reason not to. But I am stumped as far as who the heck we'll be fighting in ME 3 as far as regular bad guys. Do the Reapers hire mercs?

Seriously though, I can't think of who the regular baddies are going to be. Maybe the Geth?



im willing to suggest that maybe some humans become indoctrinated by the reapers.... if you havent read retribuition yet you may wanna look into it and see why i would make a claim like i just didPosted Image

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Rivercurse wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

The only way ME3 could end is with some kind of uber weapon...........or a paragon persuasion option.

:lol::lol:
This is just so epic!  Shep to Harbinger - Please just leave us alone.
Ok then, let's go find another galaxy to reap guys, this chaps persuasion skill is MAXED.

"I have a BAD feeling about this," (Kaidan on Chasca ME1).
Paragon ending is going to be Shepard sacrifices himself to kill Harbinger and save the galaxy, a few squaddies might survive. THE END of Shepard's story.
Renegade ending, Shepard and a few squaddies survive, saving the galaxy. And maybe kills TIM, Udina and the council, destroys Cerberus for good.

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"I have a BAD feeling about this," (Kaidan on Chasca ME1).
Paragon ending is going to be Shepard sacrifices himself to kill Harbinger and save the galaxy, a few squaddies might survive. THE END of Shepard's story.
Renegade ending, Shepard and a few squaddies survive, saving the galaxy. And maybe kills TIM, Udina and the council, destroys Cerberus for good.


Paragon Sheps would be more interested in destroying Cerberus than Renegade Sheps, generally. Also ME3 is the end of Shepard's story whether you play as a paragon or a renegade. That has been confirmed by Bioware. If there are future Mass Effect games beyond the Shepard Trilogy, we'll have a new protagonist.

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The Reapers attack, and then... you wake up!

It was all a dream. Also, a wizard did it.

The end.



Best ending ever.

Actually, I have more faith in Bioware than that, and I'm just going to be patiently curious as to where this thing's going to go.

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robtheguru wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

GamerJ wrote...

true big mako tanks unloading troops and urdnot battle tanks and everywere u see ships in the air fighting and bombartment artillery fire and things like that, destroyed citys turian ships flighing over while fireing rockets at the reaper ships AA guns and everything salarian special task group in the attack rachni ships and all that kind of things to make it look like a real big battle of the survival of the galactic community

not a cheap ending like the reaper fleet was a dream or somthing like that. it would be verry dissapointed =-(


If I remember correctly from CDN, turians have some kick-ass tanks.

robtheguru wrote...That was my plan, but i'd have left the council on board. Would be nice to see their reaction to the last thing they really see being Shepard saying, "Yes....Reapers"

Either way, it will be interesting to see how Bioware handle it. I personally think there will be a few big scale conflicts only for there to be a turning point involving some sort of superweapon. Not that i'll complain. Bioware just need to handle it right.


Nah, no superweapons please. An ending involving dark energy would be cool though. Or something really deep like the Reapers really being our 'salvation'.

Well technically the Normandy is equipped with a super weapon. The Thanix cannon that Garrus installs is a scaled down version of the weapon Sovereign used. It was developed by the Turians so if they do indeed have the cannon installed on their own ships, they may not need to find some super weapon, seeing as they already do possess the technology.


No, not really. We may think of the Normandy as an awesome ship but it's not. It's just a really good frigate. The Thanix Cannon just gives it as much firepower as a cruiser has.

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^ Exactly. The Thanix was used only on the Collector vessel and I'm not sure how it will do against Reaper armor.

Regarding the OP point, I really do agree with him. It's going to be the final battle and it should have many parts. Like for example, the Reapers show up in the middle of the game and Shepard goes to many lengths to keep them at bay. 
If anyone is familiar with the New Jedi Order series (21 books), the enemy (known as the Yuuzhan Vong) invaded the galaxy from the beginning and the galaxy finally started getting results after the first 10 books (when the capital finally fell).

That's kind of what I would like to see: the Reapers show up, start pushing everyone back until Shepard and his team starts pushing back. Rescue colonies, take out key points in their campaign until it all points to a final battle with Harbinger. Or whoever turns out to be the main target :P

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I agree 100% with the OP. We don't want to press a button and magically end the entire Reaper existence.

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Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

dan107 wrote...
Shepard shouldn't survive either.


That's stupid. They will give players a choice. There will be multiple endings.


Exactly. Plus we had sacrifice the council in part I, suicide your squad in part II, and there will be undoubtedly some other option like this in part III to satisfy your urge for martyrdom (yours or someone elses) and there will be some option to chose goodness or darkness (take over for TIM?). But there will not be some guaranteed war where half the galaxy dies and Shepard must martyr himself. They did the martyr thing in FO3 and people loathed it. Despised it. Reviled it.


And talked about it. And remembered it. Happy endings are trite and easily forgotten, sad ones make for powerful stories. Who the hell would care about Romeo & Juliet if it ended with a happily ever after?

As far as making martyrdom a choice -- that would only work if the alternative to death is truly severe, like losing your entire squad or having half the galaxy wiped out, something like that. Something along the lines of press Y to die, press X to not die seems a little underwhelming to me.

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I wanna fight indoctrinated batarians in ME3, they've isolated themselves from the rest of the galaxy, maybe they already have an alliance saren/style going on? . plus I love shooting batarians, there's nothing good about them and their hideous. best bad guys ever. also geth.

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 mass effect 3 should have some romulans in it, or orcs (new collectors)
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