Xewaka wrote...
The part of Orzammar feels completely different wether you're a dwarf or not. I remember people complaining that they had no real reason to support either King. Dwarven origins give you a very clear idea who to support.
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Might a better comparison be writing a sourcebook for a tabletop RPG setting?David Gaider wrote...
Fans like to think of game-writing as being similar to writing a novel... but it's more like writing a screenplay for a movie (although even that comparison breaks down when the idea of interactive gameplay becomes involved). There's a lot of hands involved.
That is what made it. In the other Origins, you were just some elf, dwarf, or mage throughout the game until you went to your origin place (except the Dalish elf, you were accepted but still some elf). As a Cousland, I was always Lady Cousland. It was the little things like the talk with Avernus, knowing the Drydens were blacklisted, being able to demand bloodrights at the landsmeet, Wynne recognizing you as Lady Cousland, and well being able to become Queen of Ferelden (which is not really little, but...) that made it seem like you were that character and you had a place in the world. The others seemed important in their origin area (except the poor Dalish), but after that you are just some random nobody. This was especially annoying for the Dwarves because it ends with you becoming a Paragon but you never see any of that because it ends in the court of the Ferelden king/queen.Xewaka wrote...
As for the human noble link to the story... I'm sorry, his connection to the plot is as insignificant as the rest of the origins. Yes, I know the Howe part. I played it. I didn't feel any difference in the plot (other than random people going "Oh, you're the cousland child! Well anyway, back to my problem...")
silentassassin264 wrote...
That is what made it. In the other Origins, you were just some elf, dwarf, or mage throughout the game until you went to your origin place (except the Dalish elf, you were accepted but still some elf). As a Cousland, I was always Lady Cousland. It was the little things like the talk with Avernus, knowing the Drydens were blacklisted, being able to demand bloodrights at the landsmeet, Wynne recognizing you as Lady Cousland, and well being able to become Queen of Ferelden (which is not really little, but...) that made it seem like you were that character and you had a place in the world. The others seemed important in their origin area (except the poor Dalish), but after that you are just some random nobody. This was especially annoying for the Dwarves because it ends with you becoming a Paragon but you never see any of that because it ends in the court of the Ferelden king/queen.
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While I agree that the Warden's connection to the plot is the same no matter the origin, I actually feel more connected when I play as a Human Noble.Xewaka wrote...
As for the human noble link to the story... I'm sorry, his connection to the plot is as insignificant as the rest of the origins. Yes, I know the Howe part. I played it. I didn't feel any difference in the plot (other than random people going "Oh, you're the cousland child! Well anyway, back to my problem...")
That was, I think, DAO's greatest strength.silentassassin264 wrote...
I guess my main problem was the story was not really about you. It was about the blight.
Meltemph wrote...
"I don't like it, but I understand it."
I am being coy, however... Says the human mage. =P
Sylvius the Mad wrote...
That was, I think, DAO's greatest strength.silentassassin264 wrote...
I guess my main problem was the story was not really about you. It was about the blight.
You can't write a story about the protagonist unless you know who the protagonist is, and the writers can't know that if we're to have any significant control over his personality.
Beerfish wrote...
How are developers affected by these forms? Both their palms and their foreheads arebruisedsticky.
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David Gaider wrote...
Cigne wrote...
I believe both ME2 and DAO have the option to send gameplay feedback; so it's a good bet that Bioware knows how many times (for example) a city elf was chosen, which talents were most popular, etc.
That probably has as much impact on dev decisions as forum wishlists. So those who really want to play as other than human in DA3 better get busy with some Dalish or Dwarven playthroughs.
That's very true. We recognize that not everyone chooses to send telemetry data, but those who do make for a huge sampling base-- a much larger one than, say, we have present on these forums. Sometimes the data presented there challenge the notions commonly considered fact here on the forums, and sometimes it challenges our own notions.
Sometimes we also have to consider why the data is what it is. Did the vast majority of players play as a Human Noble simply because it's the default on character creation? Or because they actually prefer playing a human and a warrior/rogue? Did less than 5% play a dwarf simply because dwarves weren't cool? Because they aren't pretty? How many people actually took Sten into their party, or did the romances (and who were they)? How did people play differently when re-playing the game as opposed to playing it the first time?
So yeah, that's good data-- but like the forums you're still only getting part of the picture.
Wait, so I have a question on what you said, David, about this in regards to Dragon Age (since Mass Effect 2 profiles aren't recorded onto a cool page like Dragon Age's character profile page).
I didn't see you answer this elsewhere on this thread, so I need to ask: Is ANY of the telemetry data based on the codex's that are published on the Dragon Age Character Profiles? I'm not a tech wiz when it comes to this stuff, so I have no idea on this. I'm afraid if you're going to say yes because the codex's that are on the character profiles online here are still glitched and publish opposite quest info from what we actually did with our characters in-game. For example, in my first playthrough I had Isolde sacrificed to save Connor, yet the codex (both in-game and on the website) will say I went to the Circle of Magi for help instead. Basically I'm hoping the telemetry data you speak of looks into the actual coding and is much more detailed than on the surface and what is established from codex entries.
But they can give us options. With DA2 they have the personality decision tracking thing so they can track how you have been responding. With the game actually about Hawke you can shape your personality from what you are given. In Origins, you could be a complete spaz while making decisions because ultimately the game didn't care about your decisions. You could be an omnicidal maniac in Nature of the Beast and then fight defend the helpless mages in The Circle and it doesn't matter at all because the game wasn't about you. With DA2, hopefully the world will actually change based on what you have done (please no Peter Molyneaux promises) so you can actually build your personality and have it mean something.Sylvius the Mad wrote...
That was, I think, DAO's greatest strength.silentassassin264 wrote...
I guess my main problem was the story was not really about you. It was about the blight.
You can't write a story about the protagonist unless you know who the protagonist is, and the writers can't know that if we're to have any significant control over his personality.
silentassassin264 wrote...
You could be an omnicidal maniac in Nature of the Beast and then fight defend the helpless mages in The Circle and it doesn't matter at all because the game wasn't about you.
If that behaviour makes sense to the player, it should absolutely be permitted.silentassassin264 wrote...
But they can give us options. With DA2 they have the personality decision tracking thing so they can track how you have been responding. With the game actually about Hawke you can shape your personality from what you are given. In Origins, you could be a complete spaz while making decisions because ultimately the game didn't care about your decisions. You could be an omnicidal maniac in Nature of the Beast and then fight defend the helpless mages in The Circle and it doesn't matter at all because the game wasn't about you.
silentassassin264 wrote...
But they can give us options. With DA2 they have the personality decision tracking thing so they can track how you have been responding. With the game actually about Hawke you can shape your personality from what you are given. In Origins, you could be a complete spaz while making decisions because ultimately the game didn't care about your decisions. You could be an omnicidal maniac in Nature of the Beast and then fight defend the helpless mages in The Circle and it doesn't matter at all because the game wasn't about you. With DA2, hopefully the world will actually change based on what you have done (please no Peter Molyneaux promises) so you can actually build your personality and have it mean something.Sylvius the Mad wrote...
That was, I think, DAO's greatest strength.silentassassin264 wrote...
I guess my main problem was the story was not really about you. It was about the blight.
You can't write a story about the protagonist unless you know who the protagonist is, and the writers can't know that if we're to have any significant control over his personality.
Tsuga C wrote...
Beerfish wrote...
How are developers affected by these forms? Both their palms and their foreheads arebruisedsticky.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
These forums affect the devs in one way for sure - by giving them headaches!
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