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[Inzhuna]

This is a very interesting thread! Not only non-mages can be possessed but also non-human/elf/dwarf/qunari. Animals, apparently too, according to Anders. Sir Wiggum the cat got possessed and was taken down by templars.



Yeah, I think the possession is about the willpower. It could either be by deception or by force, but the stronger mind you have, the more likely it is that you can resist.

[mokponobi]

David Gaider wrote...

Collider wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Regular people can be possessed by demons, and are still dangerous, but they are not abominations. Abominations have access to a mage's full power -- even a weak mage turned into an abomination is dangerous -- while a possessed human (or possessed anything) is only as dangerous as the demon that did the possessing.

Would Dwarves be able to get possessed? They do not dream.

They do not dream naturally, but that does not mean they do not have a connection to the Fade-- otherwise they wouldn't be able to enter it at all (and they can, if they are dragged in). That's different from Tranquil. Tranquil have no connection to the Fade and cannot be possessed, ever.

What about those tranquil in the circle tower quest that became shades, when the abomination did something to them? 2nd floor i believe

[Nerdage]

**Warden's Keep spoiler.**

mokponobi wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Collider wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Regular people can be possessed by demons, and are still dangerous, but they are not abominations. Abominations have access to a mage's full power -- even a weak mage turned into an abomination is dangerous -- while a possessed human (or possessed anything) is only as dangerous as the demon that did the possessing.

Would Dwarves be able to get possessed? They do not dream.

They do not dream naturally, but that does not mean they do not have a connection to the Fade-- otherwise they wouldn't be able to enter it at all (and they can, if they are dragged in). That's different from Tranquil. Tranquil have no connection to the Fade and cannot be possessed, ever.

What about those tranquil in the circle tower quest that became shades, when the abomination did something to them? 2nd floor i believe

Or the first page. Grrr...

That's basically just blood magic on the greater shade's part, the same way Avernus summons shades in WK, it's just using the tranquil to fuel the spell.

[darkiddd]

and can darkspawn mages be possessed?

[silentassassin264]

You know, that is an interesting question. Assuming demon's can't be tainted, I guess they can possess darkspawn unless they have something severing them from the fade.

[Knight Templar_]

silentassassin264 wrote...

You know, that is an interesting question. Assuming demon's can't be tainted, I guess they can possess darkspawn unless they have something severing them from the fade.

Did they  ever even have a connection? Apart from emissaries of course. If they do have a link I'd bet it was the same as a tree at best. Or far more likely they don't have the same link as anything else. The taint is unknown to demons after all.

[Ortaya Alevli]

Knight Templar wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

You know, that is an interesting question. Assuming demon's can't be tainted, I guess they can possess darkspawn unless they have something severing them from the fade.

Did they  ever even have a connection? Apart from emissaries of course. If they do have a link I'd bet it was the same as a tree at best. Or far more likely they don't have the same link as anything else. The taint is unknown to demons after all.

Assuming the Chantry's tales have a grain of merit, I suspect the darkspawn have a way stronger connection to the Fade than most other creatures do.

[Nerdage]

darkiddd wrote...

and can darkspawn mages be possessed?

Well you can have darkspawn in the fade (during Blackmarsh in Awakening, not the Circle tower) and they aren't even mages, so I guess they follow the same rules as any other race. I think Avernus was the only one to study demonic interactions with the darkspawn taint though, so it could be that that information doesn't actually exist in-game yet.

[Leonia]

Two questions on the subject:



Is the only option to destroy a demon possessing a non-mage to kill the host or can the ritual from Redcliffe (either Jowan's blood magic or the circle's ritual) be used to send a mage into the Fade to help the non-mage?



Can a demon be "ordered" to possess a non-mage by a powerful enough mage?

[Ahzrei]

David Gaider wrote...


They do not dream naturally, but that does not mean they do not have a connection to the Fade-- otherwise they wouldn't be able to enter it at all (and they can, if they are dragged in). That's different from Tranquil. Tranquil have no connection to the Fade and cannot be possessed, ever.

That's very interesting.


If I was a demon, it wouldn't stop me from trying. A Tranquil seems like the perfect host, if you can get past that whole 'it's not possible' barrier. They might not even mind so much.

My thinking is that it would take a unique set of circumstances- like when the Baroness came into the physical world without possessing anything. Could she have, theoretically, possessed a Tranquil at that point, no longer needing to do it from within the Fade?

[Leonia]

Why would a demon want to possess a being who can't perform magic? They seem like a power-hungry lot to me.

Though, come to think of it, what would motivate a demon to possess a non-mage (aside from a tranquil)? I guess we have the example of Kitty but I just find it hard to imagine that demons want to be a part of a mortal world full of handicaps on their abilities.

Modifié par leonia42, 15 septembre 2010 - 03:44 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

I wonder....how easily can a demon posses a non-mage (compared to a mage)? Does it require some more special circumstances? (a lot of magic in the air, town veil, etc...)

[Lord Gremlin]

David Gaider wrote...

They do not dream naturally, but that does not mean they do not have a connection to the Fade-- otherwise they wouldn't be able to enter it at all (and they can, if they are dragged in). That's different from Tranquil. Tranquil have no connection to the Fade and cannot be possessed, ever.

But what happens to Tranquil when they die? Where their spirits go?

[AlanC9]

Or are Tranquil soulless zombies? Never thought of that.

[Leonia]

Hmm, how did this end up on page 3 but the "I still don't understand DA2's dialogue system" and the "I support such-and-such relationship/class/character" threads are still on the first page? We should have more healthy discussions like this (also, I still haven't received answers to my two questions and I'm anxious to know the answers).

Modifié par leonia42, 16 septembre 2010 - 03:29 .

[Obadiah]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

They do not dream naturally, but that does not mean they do not have a connection to the Fade-- otherwise they wouldn't be able to enter it at all (and they can, if they are dragged in). That's different from Tranquil. Tranquil have no connection to the Fade and cannot be possessed, ever.

But what happens to Tranquil when they die? Where their spirits go?

Probably just immediately jump past the fade to whatever is one the other side.

...or, and this is one of my pet theories with no basis in game fact, the darkspawn are some kind of manifestation of Tranquil souls unable to pass through the fade, accidentally created by the Tevinter mages during the height of their power when, presumably, there were a lot more mages and Tranquil.

[Obadiah]

nerdage wrote...
That's basically just blood magic on the greater shade's part, the same way Avernus summons shades in WK, it's just using the tranquil to fuel the spell.

There are no Tranquil bodies once the Lesser Shades appear. Unless the Greater Shade is using blood magic that vaporizes the Tranquil, it certainly looks like the Tranquil are being transformed into Shades. However, Shades aren't supposed to require bodies to inhabit, just essences to absorb in the Fade which the Tranquil couldn't possibly provide... or could they?

Modifié par Obadiah, 17 septembre 2010 - 12:09 .