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[Lord Gremlin]

Chris Priestly wrote...

You know what I hate? Liver.

Holy cow, I hate liver too!

[Shadowomega23]

Wait Chris Priestly posted here, wow was so involed I missed it. Him posting off topic as well, he must have been drunk.

[KalDurenik]

DLC:

*Overall most of them have "5 of 10" in score... or worse...

*Way to expensive for the quality

*Way to expensive for the content / gameplay time

*Features tend to be split over lots of DLC's if they have any at all.

*Most of the time its not new models instead just retextured things.



-So on a average lets take the DAO DLC... How many game play hours is that? Not that many... For what price? 36$ For 10h +-3. But lets include TSP for 15$. 51$ for around 13h+-4.



Compared to a expansion:

*More gameplay

*Higher quality standard (most of the time) also the fact that they even do quality tests on it

*Probably new features

*New content, models, textures.



So we have a expansion with around 15-30 hours of content (depending on the game ofc) with new features, models, textures, items, quests, story for 30-40$...



Hmm that would mean that expansions > DLC



But sadly i think we will start to see less and less expansions.



DLC is cheaper to make, faster, less quality because... *GASP* expansions would require them to work abit...



How many DLC have Bioware released? How many of them have been GOOD you know like up to the quality of the rest of the games? Well you could count them on one hand.



So i hope DLC die in the depths of hell from where they came.

[Shadowomega23]

Number of good payed for ones from Bioware.

ME2
Kasmui
Overlord
Lair of the Shadow Broker

DA:O
uhhh, No data avaible.

DLC from other companies that where payed for and good

Fallout 3

Broken Steel
The Pit
Mothership Zeta
Point Look out
(Operation Achorage was fun but not as good as the others)

Battlefield 2
Euroforce
Armored Fury

Battlefield 2142
Northern Strike

Modifié par Shadowomega23, 15 septembre 2010 - 07:48 .

[KalDurenik]

Well dont be like that... There have been 2 for DAO...

The stone prisoner (but even then the price they ask for it is a damn joke and a very boring one also)

Lelianas Song (Also abit expensive for the content / play time but atleast they did not scraps something together over lunch)

[Shadowomega23]

KalDurenik wrote...

Well dont be like that... There have been 2 for DAO...
The stone prisoner (but even then the price they ask for it is a damn joke and a very boring one also)
Lelianas Song (Also abit expensive for the content / play time but atleast they did not scraps something together over lunch)

Didn't pay for Stone Prisoner or Warden Keep got both for free so didn't include those. Actually haven't been back in DA:O after Return to Ostagar, nor did I pick up DA:A. Got Busy with BF:BC2 when it came out. I enjoy putting people face down in the dirt some times.

[Paul E Dangerously]

I like the concept of DLC, but not always the execution.



Dragon Age's DLCs seem to have gotten the short end of the stick compared to Mass Effect, and I'm not really sure why. I do like getting new adventures, but I wish they'd have a little more effort involved.

[Captain Iglo]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Oh, I admit that every once in a while, I see some liver prepared in a new way, or cooked with interesting ingredients or just made to look delicious and I have occasionally tried this liver to again see if I like it.

So far, I haven't found liver that I enjoy. Again, it is up to me to keep trying new liver, or to stop and never try it again sure in my belief  that I will never find good liver. Again, no one forces me to get it. There's lots of delicious stuff to eat instead and it is totally up to me to eat it or not.

Analogy Part 2.

The Thing is Mr. Priestly, that you could buy your liver with a credit card for the exact prize of the liver.
You dont have to walk to another shop to buy another currency and then use just A PART of this currency for the liver...but without even knowing if you will ever use the rest of your new purchased currency
...especially if the liver doenst taste good in the end.

Wouldnt it be best for the "online liver shop" to offer the option of credit card (maybe also Paypal) and the currency (for the people without credit card)?

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 15 septembre 2010 - 08:10 .

[TheMadCat]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Oh, I admit that every once in a while, I see some liver prepared in a new way, or cooked with interesting ingredients or just made to look delicious and I have occasionally tried this liver to again see if I like it.

So far, I haven't found liver that I enjoy. Again, it is up to me to keep trying new liver, or to stop and never try it again sure in my belief  that I will never find good liver. Again, no one forces me to get it. There's lots of delicious stuff to eat instead and it is totally up to me to eat it or not.

Analogy Part 2.

Analogy Part III (Roman Numerals are cooler )


You ask for a turkey sandwhich, pay the full price you pay everywhere else, and they hand you two pieces of bread and a slice of turkey. You scratch your head wondering why this is all they gave you, ask, and find out there's all kinds of extra stuff they could put on it for you but everything you add tacks onto the price. Now you certainly could eat that bread and turkey and may even be able to enjoy it, of course you can't help but look back and wonder at all the stuff that maybe should have been put on that sandwhich in the first place to make it truly enjoyable especially since all the other sandwhich joints will (Or at least used to ) add on all that stuff for no extra charge.


Two sides to every coin. You folks over there at EA/BioWare are well within your rights to do whatever you feel you must to turn the necessary product. But you have to understand why certain folks look at the DLC format as being more shallow and dickish then the simple "If you don't like it, don't buy it" mentality.


What was maybe a $50 purchase can quickly wind up being over $100. If we want to of course, no ones forcing us. Hell no ones even encouraging us, certainly not all the mass advertising and promotions and such for your various DLC's on every gaming site I go to or the dude sitting in your in-game camp literally asking you to buy it.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 15 septembre 2010 - 08:36 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Chris Priestly wrote...

You know what I hate? Liver. No matter how well it is cooked, no matter what t comes with, no matter is world famous chef made it, I just don't like it. Oh, I know some people like it. I know some people LOVE it. But for me, I just don't like liver.

Fortunately for me, no one forces me to eat liver. If I see it offered, I don't have it.



Make of this analogy what you will.

LOL! I'm not fond of liver, either, but there are times when you are forced to eat something, you know?

As far as the DLC topic goes, well, thank you for your opinion, OP?

[Amfortas]

If I am satisfied with the game I've got no problem with DLC, the game is already complete, I just don't buy the DLC if it doesn't interest me and that's it. That's what happens with Dragon Age.



But if the game feels incomplete and missing lots of sidequests, then yes, I have a problem with DLC, I consider it a total rip off. That's Mass Effect 2. To continue with Mr. Priestly's liver analogy, imagine that I go to Bioware's store to buy a foie gras but when I get home I notice that they've given me pork liver. Then they try to resell me the true foie gras (in small parts), the one that I was supposed to have bought in the first place, and they say "you don't have to buy it if you don't like it"... of course I'm not going to buy it, but in this case I cannot simply ignore it's existence

[ViSeiRa]

I don't hate DLC, as a general idea it's a very good way to bridge between two games and continue to supply content after the game release, what I hate is crappy, untested, buggy DLCs.

For example, good DLCs would be something like ME2's Kasumi, Overlord, and Lair of The Shadow Broker, Warden's Keep for  DA:O was good too.

Bad DLCs are like Awakening, too many bugs, personal quests not triggering, Equipment bug in Silverite Mine, also Witch Hunt doesn't recognize your choices, I'm in the last scene and I'm like "Damn you, I did the FREAKIN' ritual".

I'm all for quality DLCs, but crappy ones that I pay for and then end up being screwed are to be put up to the torch. 

[Wulfram]

I don't hate DLC. I just don't buy them.



I do hate in game advertising for DLC though.

[Bobad]

Delicious Liver Cuisine, fantastic when properly prepared and cooked with attention to get it to the table when it's just right, not so great when yanked straight out of the fridge, without seasoning, cooked too fast on too high a heat and rushed to the table.

[Rieverre]

Heh. I like that analogy. Let's see ... ah yes;



Liver isn't my favorite thing in the world. I don't always eat it. But occasionally, especially when it comes with fava beans and a nice Chianti ...



... what were we talking about, Clarice?

[vania z]

Chris, your analogy is irrelevant.

Better one:

you come to restaurant and buy some meat with vegetables for 60$. You have half eaten it, and there comes servant and offers you sauce, which comes with your meal. For 10$.

After a year your friend happens to be in that restaurant. This time they offer same meal for 60$ plus some sauces, special drink that suits it and other stuff for additional 40$ to it.

[21121313]

I am very picky when it comes to DLC. Since DA:O is such a great game, i find the DLC is worth purchasing.

That being said, i keep my expectations on an even keel, especially at the price of DLC...

For example, people can complain that Leliana's DLC was much too short for it's cost. I found that with it being fully voiced, i really could have expected it to cost a bit more then it did. The trade off was worth it.

I know a lot of people go gaga over Morrigan's VA, but for me i love Leliana's more.....

[Arttis]

JimRPh wrote...

I hate downloadable content for several reasons.

I spend too much on the game already, and hate to have to purchase Microsoft Points, or whatever else.

Also, once I finish the game, it's over. There is no going back. I'm  no longer used to the controls for the particular game, have forgotten parts of the storyline, and it's simply not as much fun to go back and play a partial game.

Downloadable content leaves me feeling cheated that I wasn't given the full game in the first place with my nearly $70 spent on the typical new release

Of course, much of this is rendered moot as I decided that I've been wasting far too much money on short-lived games, and have just subscribed to GameFly. I figure this will save me hundreds of dollars each year, and I won't miss the downloadable content at all.

I'm just wondering if anybody else feels the same way. It seems I read a lot of comments about enjoying these additions, but can't imagine that I'm the only one that finds them disagreeable for the reasons stated above.

I agree.
Heck I rather buy the same old game multiple times rather than buy any DLC.

[Akka le Vil]

To the OP : No, you're not the only one.
DLC are raw marketing trash and ploys. They test the limits of what consumers will accept, and slowly expand these limits. They set up a very slippery slope that will most probably end up making game companies reducing the actual game to the bare bones and selling the flesh in parts.
Not to add that DLC, being very small parts, lack the "integrated" feel of a whole game and are usually very subpart in quality. They also rely much more on consumerism and cheap salesmen tactics that make them even worse (seriously, most of the DLC comes with pointless "items to import into the main game !" that simply butcher game balance and clutter inventory)

And of course, the regular consumer being a complete idiot, he will slowly grow to accept this, find it completely normal and await eagerly the next ripp-off scheme he will be subjected to  - just look at how many people already find it ok to pay very pricey tiny bits of game.

Modifié par Akka le Vil, 15 septembre 2010 - 12:00 .

[Xewaka]

I refuse to pay for DLC on principle. Expansion packs I could support, but shelling 5 € for half an hour of buggy and inconsistent gameplay feels like a damn ripòff.

[FedericoV]

I don't see the problem since DLC are optional. Having siad that, the oly problem I have with DLCs is quality. I don't mind paying few bucks for Overlord or LotSB... while I'm mostly disappointed by DA:O DLCs... I won't buy them on first day for DA2 and will read reviews.

[Arrtis]

Bioware I suggest a new way to sell your DLC.

Get a code that allows you to download all future content and overprice it.

[PSUHammer]

TheMadCat wrote...
Analogy Part III (Roman Numerals are cooler )


You ask for a turkey sandwhich, pay the full price you pay everywhere else, and they hand you two pieces of bread and a slice of turkey. You scratch your head wondering why this is all they gave you, ask, and find out there's all kinds of extra stuff they could put on it for you but everything you add tacks onto the price. Now you certainly could eat that bread and turkey and may even be able to enjoy it, of course you can't help but look back and wonder at all the stuff that maybe should have been put on that sandwhich in the first place to make it truly enjoyable especially since all the other sandwhich joints will (Or at least used to ) add on all that stuff for no extra charge.


Two sides to every coin. You folks over there at EA/BioWare are well within your rights to do whatever you feel you must to turn the necessary product. But you have to understand why certain folks look at the DLC format as being more shallow and dickish then the simple "If you don't like it, don't buy it" mentality.


What was maybe a $50 purchase can quickly wind up being over $100. If we want to of course, no ones forcing us. Hell no ones even encouraging us, certainly not all the mass advertising and promotions and such for your various DLC's on every gaming site I go to or the dude sitting in your in-game camp literally asking you to buy it.

Well, actually, this misses the point.  Back in the days before there was DLC, we got a game and played...and people yearned for extras.  Even though the project completed and development moved on to another product.  Well, these developers thought "Hmm, they seem to enjoy it so much they want more" and they decided to devote extra time to the original game and give you add ons or "DLC"....none of it being mandatory to enjoy the original game.

How do you expect these people to get paid and to feed their families while creating this "extra" content that YOU asked for?  (YOU being the collective gaming audience)

That's right, you charge a small fee for the work.  But, "OH MY GOD!!  How COULD THEY??!!  It should be part of the original game!!"  Cries the mob....

A vicious circle.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 15 septembre 2010 - 12:16 .

[Xewaka]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Well, actually, this misses the point.  Back in the days before there was DLC, we got a game and played...and people yearned for extras.  Even though the project completed and development moved on to another product.  Well, these developers thought "Hmm, they seem to enjoy it so much they want more" and they decided to devote extra time to the original game and give you add ons or "DLC"....none of it being mandatory to enjoy the original game.

How do you expect these people to get paid and to feed their families while creating this "extra" content that YOU asked for?  (YOU being the collective gaming audience)

That's right, you charge a small fee for the work.  But, "OH MY GOD!!  How COULD THEY??!!  It should be part of the original game!!"  Cries the mob....

A vicious circle.

Back in the day, there were expansion packs. A big, juicy chunk of extra gameplay. Content enough to last between one and two thirds of the original, and priced accordingly. And I loved them. This here DLC? They are sorely lacking that. That's why I bought Awakenings but adamantly refuse to buy either ME2 or DAO De-el-cees.