When Templars take their vows, is a life of chastity required? I was just wondering because that seems to be what was implied in Origins but in the preview for DA2, the article at IGN mentioned a Templar with a wife and I got a bit confused. Any repsonse would be appreciated, thanks!
Templars and Chastity
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tickles44
, sept. 15 2010 04:46
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 02:44
David Gaider
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Templars do not take vows of chastity.
Chantry priests are considered "married" to the Maker-- though it's not an actual marriage, just a spiritual one-- and thus are indeed celibate.
For templars, the situation is not quite the same. Their duties require them to be dedicated to their duties-- they're going to live in a Circle of Magi (which does not have room for spouses and families) or a chantry, or otherwise be pre-occupied. Marriage is impractical, and the Chantry thus discourages such marriages as having dependants introduces complications that templars can do without (as well as a potential means of leverage).
That said, the Chantry does occasionally give permission for templars to marry, provided the spouse has their own means of support. This is often the case when the spouse owns land or a title. Even so, considering the spouse wouldn't be able to see the templar often, it's not going to happen frequently. Before anyone asks, the Chantry also discourages templars from marrying each other even more so-- that's considered fraternization within the ranks (the templars are run as a military order, remember, and possess the same discipline).
Mages within the Circle are permitted to marry, but it's impractical with outsiders and they also must get permission from the Chantry (so it might be considered a reward for good behavior). Even so, the culture within the typical Circle of Magi tends to make mages unwilling to marry. The policy on fraternization will depend on the individual Circle-- some forbid it, while others do not, though in either case it still occurs. Considering mages live outside normal culture, they also consider themselves free of cultural conventions (especially those who were raised in a Circle from a young age) and thus tend to be quite liberal in their views.
Whew! Okay-- verbose answer of the day. Time for coffee.
Chantry priests are considered "married" to the Maker-- though it's not an actual marriage, just a spiritual one-- and thus are indeed celibate.
For templars, the situation is not quite the same. Their duties require them to be dedicated to their duties-- they're going to live in a Circle of Magi (which does not have room for spouses and families) or a chantry, or otherwise be pre-occupied. Marriage is impractical, and the Chantry thus discourages such marriages as having dependants introduces complications that templars can do without (as well as a potential means of leverage).
That said, the Chantry does occasionally give permission for templars to marry, provided the spouse has their own means of support. This is often the case when the spouse owns land or a title. Even so, considering the spouse wouldn't be able to see the templar often, it's not going to happen frequently. Before anyone asks, the Chantry also discourages templars from marrying each other even more so-- that's considered fraternization within the ranks (the templars are run as a military order, remember, and possess the same discipline).
Mages within the Circle are permitted to marry, but it's impractical with outsiders and they also must get permission from the Chantry (so it might be considered a reward for good behavior). Even so, the culture within the typical Circle of Magi tends to make mages unwilling to marry. The policy on fraternization will depend on the individual Circle-- some forbid it, while others do not, though in either case it still occurs. Considering mages live outside normal culture, they also consider themselves free of cultural conventions (especially those who were raised in a Circle from a young age) and thus tend to be quite liberal in their views.
Whew! Okay-- verbose answer of the day. Time for coffee.
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 03:05
David Gaider
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leonia42 wrote...
I wonder though, with the mages, wouldn't that sort of make things awkward for the other mages in the tower?
Considering the sexual attitudes of most mages, I imagine your average Circle of Magi is like High School with all sorts of social politics, petty bickering, betrayals and a First Enchanter who constantly rubs her temples at all the things the mages get up to. After all, since they're generally locked up in there, what else do they have to do?
What happens if they have a child (I assume the Chantry still takes it away from the couple)?
Yes, married or not the child of a mage is taken away by the Chantry.
And obviously mages wouldn't be marrying templars in the Circle (oh the controversy that would cause!).. right?
That would probably be considered compromising for the templar, so I don't imagine permission would be granted. Fraternization between templars and mages would also be forbidden, just as fraternization between templars is-- for the same reason.
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 03:37
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LobselVith8 wrote...
David Gaider wrote...
Yes, married or not the child of a mage is taken away by the Chantry.
Would the same happen if the mage was also a Grey Warden, such as the Warden-Commander of DA:O and Awakenings?
A mage who is not part of the Circle is not subject to the will of the Chantry. So, no.
