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[Daerog]

Esbatty wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Esbatty wrote...

Maker, yes! Oh I really really hope we get something about Alistair and Fiona. I don't care if its just a historical codex entry from importing your DAO saves, but I want Alistair to find out about his epically awesome GW, Elven, Mage Mother! This i demand! I mean c'mon he's gotta end up in Weisshaupt sometime.

EDIT: Unless he's dead or drunk in someone's save.

Makes more sense for Maric to have had 2 children outside his marriage rather than just one, considering the times the children were born and Rowan being alive or dead. Unless it is just said that the timeline in the books were wrong, but then that would ruin Maric's motivations that would eventually lead him to have sex with Fiona.

The game is canon, completely, so Alistair had to be born while Rowan was still alive as is stated ingame, but the kid from the book is born after Rowan's death which led to Maric's depression and such, blahblahblah ramblerambleramble.

Yes but this is a poor, little girl who could have made up the whole "the babies father is the king" in her head. Remember Goldanna confronts Alistair that the baby murdered her mother and ruined her life. Kids can make up all sorts of things, flights of fancy, and seeing as how the stories and histories of Fereldan and Orlais, and the old tales sung by the bards of great tragedies and romances could have influenced her.

I wasn't referring to Goldanna in my post at all.
Edit: I was referring to what Arl Eamon said (or was it Teagon? No, I think it was Alistair himself. Anyway, Alistair was hidden so Rowan wouldn't know) and what was in The Calling.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 18 septembre 2010 - 07:32 .

[21121313]

Deathispink wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Kail Ashton wrote...

Ahh well that was enlightening, now if we could just get a solid anwser on who alistair's mother is i think that'll close the book on any possible plot holes

Indeed, though with how this question keeps being evaded.. I imagine the way we find out the answer in the game (I'm guessing DA 3 since this will probably be more important to The Warden than to Hawke) will have some real significance. If it's Fiona (and I hope it is), there's a chance we can meet her (since she's probably still alive) and there's a chance we'll find the cure for the darkspawn taint.

I have a feeling we will not see our Wardens ever again, unless it is in a cameo of some sort. As for the loose ends DAO left behind I'm not going to hold my breath. Remember KotOR. Just remember it.

Actually as i was reading through this topic, KOTOR is indeed what popped into my head.

[Numa-Fai]

Numa-Fai wrote...

My, my, talking about contradictory
lines in DA, I must say there's another one worse than Templars and
Chastity: Nathaniel's grandfather: Was he a Grey Warden hopeful called
Padric Howe? Or was he Tarleton Howe? Were his parents cousins? Or what?
I never understood that...

Pretty sure it was Padric Howe and Nathaniel reckons he didn't survive the Joining. 

Yes, but the codex in DAO does not say the same, neither the codex in Awakening which is really confusing. The writers really went sloppy with some parts of the plot, you cannot say, for instance, when you make your PC "men and women are equals in Ferelden" and then have many annoying conversations about being a female grey warden (I'm not talking about Sten) since the very start of the story (e.g. "I'm the bravest of us and I¡m a woman" so what? weren't us supposed to be equals?). Argh, uncoherent plots, they drive me mad.

[Daerog]

Wow, never realized that Howe problem. Possible that the grandmother got remarried? Maybe after Padric left she married Tarleton? Seems like Rendon hated Padric because of being abandoned and probably accepted Tarleton as his father moreso which is why the Codex mentions Tarleton as his father. Anyway, it was written by Brother Bedine, so maybe Padric isn't really known outside the Howe family. Conflicting codices isn't new, like the origin of the Blue Suns in ME2, reason being secret information and usually the one speaking about such things is the truth while the other info is public info that isn't completely true.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Say David, if you don't mind answering - how are mage children that are taken by the Chantry raised? What becomes of them? Are they returned to the Circle of they have magic talent? Are they raised to be templars/lay brothers?

[nightcobra]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Say David, if you don't mind answering - how are mage children that are taken by the Chantry raised? What becomes of them? Are they returned to the Circle of they have magic talent? Are they raised to be templars/lay brothers?

maybe it's like this:

if the the child doesn't have magic, they raise the kid in one of their churches of the chantry.

if it's a mage, i think they send the child to a different circle of magi, as a measure to ensure the kid doesn't have contact with it's parents.

[elfdwarf]

do the chantry try capture or kill grey warden mages?

(not including anders in this question)

[Johnny Pothead]

Do they have mass orgys in those Chantrys?

[Kerilus]

Johnny Pothead wrote...

Do they have mass orgys in those Chantrys?

Most possibily in the Circles. They don't care nothing about morals, them mages.

[HopHazzard]

Johnny Pothead wrote...

Do they have mass orgys in those Chantrys?

Zevran seemed to think so, but Leliana told him no. Though I suppose she could've been lying. She does that sometimes.

[Nerevar-as]

21121313 wrote...

Deathispink wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Kail Ashton wrote...

Ahh well that was enlightening, now if we could just get a solid anwser on who alistair's mother is i think that'll close the book on any possible plot holes

Indeed, though with how this question keeps being evaded.. I imagine the way we find out the answer in the game (I'm guessing DA 3 since this will probably be more important to The Warden than to Hawke) will have some real significance. If it's Fiona (and I hope it is), there's a chance we can meet her (since she's probably still alive) and there's a chance we'll find the cure for the darkspawn taint.

I have a feeling we will not see our Wardens ever again, unless it is in a cameo of some sort. As for the loose ends DAO left behind I'm not going to hold my breath. Remember KotOR. Just remember it.

Actually as i was reading through this topic, KOTOR is indeed what popped into my head.

Kotor going TOR is an example of how not to continue a story, but I don´t think DAn is going to end in cliffhanger to be resolved as backgroung info in a MMO. The closest I can think to DA is the Spidersoft Geneforge games, where main characters change between sequels (usually without learning what happened to them as there is no actual canon epilogue) but a core plot develops. However, BW has heavy character writing, and DA seems to be going to waste several good characters by not using them enough and moving to new ones too often. Main characters such as the GW, or HAwke if they change him for DA3 (I´ll believe it when I see it) have a greater risk of this.

[Riona45]

Numa-Fai wrote...

My, my, talking about contradictory lines in DA, I must say there's another one worse than Templars and Chastity: Nathaniel's grandfather: Was he a Grey Warden hopeful called Padric Howe? Or was he Tarleton Howe? Were his parents cousins? Or what? I never understood that...

This is off-topic, but I think the Padric Howe story arc brings some more depth to the Howes (and the setting in general) whereas Tarleton Howe's arc has a "the Howes are basically a family of villains" implication to it.

[Riona45]

elfdwarf wrote...

do the chantry try capture or kill grey warden mages?
(not including anders in this question)

Grey Warden mages aren't Circle mages and are outside of templar jurisdiction.

[Deathispink]

Nerevar-as wrote...

21121313 wrote...

Deathispink wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Kail Ashton wrote...

Ahh well that was enlightening, now if we could just get a solid anwser on who alistair's mother is i think that'll close the book on any possible plot holes

Indeed, though with how this question keeps being evaded.. I imagine the way we find out the answer in the game (I'm guessing DA 3 since this will probably be more important to The Warden than to Hawke) will have some real significance. If it's Fiona (and I hope it is), there's a chance we can meet her (since she's probably still alive) and there's a chance we'll find the cure for the darkspawn taint.

I have a feeling we will not see our Wardens ever again, unless it is in a cameo of some sort. As for the loose ends DAO left behind I'm not going to hold my breath. Remember KotOR. Just remember it.

Actually as i was reading through this topic, KOTOR is indeed what popped into my head.

Kotor going TOR is an example of how not to continue a story, but I don´t think DAn is going to end in cliffhanger to be resolved as backgroung info in a MMO. The closest I can think to DA is the Spidersoft Geneforge games, where main characters change between sequels (usually without learning what happened to them as there is no actual canon epilogue) but a core plot develops. However, BW has heavy character writing, and DA seems to be going to waste several good characters by not using them enough and moving to new ones too often. Main characters such as the GW, or HAwke if they change him for DA3 (I´ll believe it when I see it) have a greater risk of this.

I really wouldn't be surprised if Hawke isn't the protagonist for DA3. I should make it clear that I don't disagree with this strategy, it allows the game designers and writers to paint a much broader canvas. As for the characters, I don't feel that they're being wasted.They fufilled the purpose for which they were created, namely giving us players an emotional and personal link to the story and quite frankly I like the epilogues I've created far better than any cannon end the writers could come up with . 

[Shutterbones]

I'm off in left field here, but I just had an interesting thought pop up. Do you suppose there's anything to the fact that some of the Circle templars are extremely self-chaste by their own right (for example - Cullen) while others seem to be a bit more open to fraternization with others in the tower and outside of it? Someone commented earlier how I'm guessing it's just assumed templars are taken and trained at a young age because either they didn't have a choice or they didn't know better.



This brings up my questions--Alistair speaks of how he was "sent off" to become a templar at a sort of impass between child and adolescent, if I remember correctly. He wasn't too young to know better, but at the same time not old enough to really have a grasp on the outside world. Of course he wasn't willing to go, but went so anyway. On the other hand we have fully-trained templars in the tower like Knight-Commander Greagoir who seem to take their job to an extreme level of dedication and restraint (which, I suppose, the best you can do as a templar).



What I'm wondering is, must templars be trained from childhood and some just buck authority at some point in their youth and thereafter while most others simply submit to rule and willingly adopt a self-celibate lifestyle in order to serve the Maker without reservation (like Cullen from the Circle)? Or, in an unanswered room with no light stands this question: is it possible for an adult to take up the life of a templar after they've come of age and are fully aware of their choices and consequences? Could a grown man (or woman) take up the lifestyle of a templar and be able to perform just as well-abled as his peers, who were probably raised and trained from a very young age?



I ask this also because with Leliana, she suggests I believe that she wasn't always a chantry-follower, but went there willingly? I haven't actually had that conversation with her in the game, so I don't know the details, only what I've heard. This makes me wonder though if those rules can apply to templars as well across different regions.

[Bruddajakka]

Far as we seen there's nothing stopping someone from joining the chantry later in life. Silas from Leliana's song does, and Leliana choose to become affirmed which made her a lay sister.