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[Lord Gremlin]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Why do people always say "we" when they mean "I"?

To add weight to their words?

Hawke isn't even premade. It's a fully customizable character.

Just like Shepard?

No. Shepard is premade.

[Bryy_Miller]

jollyroger1721 wrote...
 real DAO fans

*snicker*

He said "real fans".

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Why do people always say "we" when they mean "I"?

To add weight to their words?

Hawke isn't even premade. It's a fully customizable character.

Just like Shepard?

No. Shepard is premade.

And you think Hawke will be that much different? I have not played the game so I cant comment on how flexible Hawke's character will be however at this point in time I really cant see him being much more flexible than Shepard.

[nightcobra]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Why do people always say "we" when they mean "I"?

To add weight to their words?

Hawke isn't even premade. It's a fully customizable character.

Just like Shepard?

No. Shepard is premade.

And you think Hawke will be that much different? I have not played the game so I cant comment on how flexible Hawke's character will be however at this point in time I really cant see him being much more flexible than Shepard.

this is how i see things

shepard already had his/her background defined 
 as a spacer/earthborn/colonist and survivor/ruthless/hero

the warden and hawke while also having a background, you get to play through it instead of just hearing about it

[Daerog]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Why do people always say "we" when they mean "I"?

To add weight to their words?

Hawke isn't even premade. It's a fully customizable character.

Just like Shepard?

No. Shepard is premade.

And you think Hawke will be that much different? I have not played the game so I cant comment on how flexible Hawke's character will be however at this point in time I really cant see him being much more flexible than Shepard.

At least Hawke will have stats. I like ME, but such limited customization in 2 was sad. Hmm... although I'm thinking that's not what people meant when they said "customizable."

[Rieverre]

One could argue that Shepard's inflexibility was more due to the fact that you had two clear-cut morality paths open to you. DA doesn't have paragon/renegade scores, which does make the main character at least appear to be more flexible. It worked in Origins, and there you had more of a role in fleshing out your PC's past than you did with the Mass Effect background and psych profile choices.

[nightcobra]

Rieverre wrote...

One could argue that Shepard's inflexibility was more due to the fact that you had two clear-cut morality paths open to you. DA doesn't have paragon/renegade scores, which does make the main character at least appear to be more flexible. It worked in Origins, and there you had more of a role in fleshing out your PC's past than you did with the Mass Effect background and psych profile choices.

if the choices in mass effect were more grey than black/white, and if you started the game when shepard alisted into the military. then his character would be more comparable to the warden in terms of customisability

[Merced256]

THIS IS THE NEW SH*T



YOU'LL TAKE IT AND LIKE IT.

[Schuback]

You will learn to learn to love your new character better, seriously. It happens to me in every game and movies I've seen.

[upsettingshorts]

We? Speak for yourself, OP.

That's another one of the big forum booboos people make that undermines their own arguments.  Assuming people agree with them.

Hard to convince devs to listen to you when you start off like that.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 15 septembre 2010 - 06:32 .

[Merced256]

i agree with him, so you wasted your self righteous post

[Nyaore]

Andrastee wrote...
Thing I am strangely looking forward to: hanging out on the boards in a couple of years time when they are full of threads complaining about the new protagonist of DA3 and lamenting the passing into legend of Hawke.

Glad to hear I'm not the only one who is looking forward to that occuring.

[Pedrak]

I felt the same way about the Warden, but now I'm starting to change my mind. New characters and stories can be as exciting as meeting old friends, just in a different way.

Getting rid of a character too soon is a mistake (ex., although I think the new The Old Republic MMORPG is going to be absolutely fantastic, I'm still irked we didn't get proper closure for Revan and the Exile with a third KOTOR game).

Going on and on and on with the same character even after his story is over, however, is another mistake. As amusing as it is to see an old protagonist coming back for another bow to the audience, it might cheapen his story and character arc (ex. the Monkey Island series should have ended with the second game).

Sometimes we fans are a conservative bunch, maybe too much for our own sake. I loved the DAO characters, but I don't need all of them to have major roles in DA2 - a reference here, a meaningful cameo there, would be enough. I loved the squad in Mass Effect 2, but I'd be disappointed if we got them on the Normandy (rather than "moving on" and having new interesting roles, like Wrex) and no new party members. Wrapping up the fates of various NPCs is fine (ex. what Mask of the Betrayer did for NWN2), refusing to tread on new ground isn't necessarily.

More Warden in the next game would be good. But he/she doesn't have to be the key figure of all the DA saga.

Modifié par Pedrak, 15 septembre 2010 - 06:43 .

[PsyrenY]

Merced256 wrote...

i agree with him, so you wasted your self righteous post

And I don't, so tough cookies.

We're getting Hawke, deal with it.

[Merced256]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Why do people always say "we" when they mean "I"?

To add weight to their words?

Hawke isn't even premade. It's a fully customizable character.

Just like Shepard?

No. Shepard is premade.

How is shepard any different than hawke? Especially since most of you drooling fanbois are like amg i luv defaultz

Modifié par Merced256, 15 septembre 2010 - 06:43 .

[Luke Bioware]

We? You? I like Hawke.

[upsettingshorts]

Merced256 wrote...

i agree with him, so you wasted your self righteous post

Good, start up an interest group.  Then you can say "We of the Anti-Premade Bad Ass group..." instead of presuming to speak for the entire forum.

[AlanC9]

Merced256 wrote...

i agree with him, so you wasted your self righteous post

So the "we" means you two, plus whatever others feel that way? OK, that's fine, as long as you're not equating yourselves with "real DAO fans" the way the OP did.

[SirOccam]

Merced256 wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Why do people always say "we" when they mean "I"?

To add weight to their words?

Hawke isn't even premade. It's a fully customizable character.

Just like Shepard?

No. Shepard is premade.

How is shepard any different than hawke? Especially most of you drooling fanbois are like amg i luv defaultz

Because Shepard is a decorated space marine, and Hawke is just "some guy?" (Or "some lady.")

It's not really that hard to see a difference, is it?

Modifié par SirOccam, 15 septembre 2010 - 06:44 .

[ErichHartmann]

Pedrak wrote...

I felt the same way about the Warden, but now I'm starting to change my mind. New characters and stories can be as exciting as meeting old friends, just in a different way.

Getting rid of a character too soon is a mistake (ex., although I think the new The Old Republic MMORPG is going to be absolutely fantastic, I'm still irked we didn't get proper closure for Revan and the Exile with a third KOTOR game).

Going on and on and on with the same character even after his story is over, however, is another mistake. As amusing as it is to see an old protagonist coming back for another bow to the audience, it might cheapen his story and character arc (ex. the Monkey Island series should have ended with the second game).

Sometimes we fans are a conservative bunch, maybe too much for our own sake. I loved the DAO characters, but I don't need all of them to have major roles in DA2 - a reference here, a meaningful cameo there, would be enough. I loved the squad in Mass Effect 2, but I'd be disappointed if we got them and no new party members. Wrapping up the fates of various NPCs is fine (ex. what Mask of the Betrayer did for NWN2), refusing to tread on new ground isn't necessarily.

More Warden in the next game would be good. But he/she doesn't have to be the key figure of all the DA saga.

/thread

[Bullets McDeath]

I was kind of butthurt myself at first, too. More about them adding VA for the main character and the "roleplaying" limitations that sets and how it tends to result in a more "cinematic" (read: short) experience. I never expected to transfer the Warden to a sequel. I'm always baffled why so many people assumed that would be the case when the story has so much closure and you are so God-like by the end. Especially if you got Awakening as well.



But the default Hawkes look pretty cool and you can change anything you want about them. I'm willing to give it a chance. ****ing about it is kind of pointless, especially until we really see it in action. Bioware is not going to make Hawke silent and re-purpose the VA money to 20 extra hours of mute-guy side quests and dungeons.



If it comes out and Hawke sucks no matter what you do with him/her, then ****ing about it might be able to make Bioware think about a different path.

[Ortaya Alevli]

I...aah...want Revan back...

[Merced256]

SirOccam wrote...

Merced256 wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Why do people always say "we" when they mean "I"?

To add weight to their words?

Hawke isn't even premade. It's a fully customizable character.

Just like Shepard?

No. Shepard is premade.

How is shepard any different than hawke? Especially most of you drooling fanbois are like amg i luv defaultz

Because Shepard is a decorated space marine, and Hawke is just "some guy?" (Or "some lady.")

It's not really that hard to see a difference, is it?

Except the whole point of the game, at least from BW marketing standpoint is that they end up "badass." Theres no distinction to be made, and any attempt you make won't somehow change that.

[AlanC9]

Merced256 wrote...

How is shepard any different than hawke? Especially since most of you drooling fanbois are like amg i luv defaultz

The devs have said Hawke's character is not going to be constrained the way Shepard's is. As for how they implement that, beats me, though losing the two-track ME morality system will certainly have something to do with it.

[SirOccam]

Merced256 wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Merced256 wrote...

How is shepard any different than hawke? Especially most of you drooling fanbois are like amg i luv defaultz

Because Shepard is a decorated space marine, and Hawke is just "some guy?" (Or "some lady.")

It's not really that hard to see a difference, is it?

Except the whole point of the game, at least from BW marketing standpoint is that they end up "badass." Theres no distinction to be made, and any attempt you make won't somehow change that.

Well that's quite the contradiction. Being "premade" has nothing to do with how Hawke "ends up."

Is your complaint that there is a plot? I mean, presumably you can't just go play checkers in the park for the duration of the game. Having writers decide on events that are going to happen does not make Hawke a premade character. It means the game has a storyline.

What is in question here is whether Hawke comes pre-packaged with a certain personality, like Shepard did. And as of now, all signs point to No.