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[nightcobra]

SirOccam wrote...

Merced256 wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Merced256 wrote...

How is shepard any different than hawke? Especially most of you drooling fanbois are like amg i luv defaultz

Because Shepard is a decorated space marine, and Hawke is just "some guy?" (Or "some lady.")

It's not really that hard to see a difference, is it?

Except the whole point of the game, at least from BW marketing standpoint is that they end up "badass." Theres no distinction to be made, and any attempt you make won't somehow change that.

Well that's quite the contradiction. Being "premade" has nothing to do with how Hawke "ends up."

Is your complaint that there is a plot? I mean, presumably you can't just go play checkers in the park for the duration of the game. Having writers decide on events that are going to happen does not make Hawke a premade character. It means the game has a storyline.

What is in question here is whether Hawke comes pre-packaged with a certain personality, like Shepard did. And as of now, all signs point to No.

to me it's like,

in mass effect, the plot defines shepard's character

in dragon age, the character defines the plot.

[HopHazzard]

And here I thought that my ten or so playthroughs qualified me for 'real fan' status. But I guess since I'm not all bent out of shape about getting a new story with a new protagonist, my love for Dragon Age is just not pure enough.

[upsettingshorts]

Indeed, fans tend to quantify 'real fan' status the same way a certain mid-20th century Central-European political movement used pseudo-science to give credence to their prejudice.

That's right, I just Godwinned the thread. You're welcome.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 15 septembre 2010 - 07:02 .

[SirOccam]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Merced256 wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Merced256 wrote...

How is shepard any different than hawke? Especially most of you drooling fanbois are like amg i luv defaultz

Because Shepard is a decorated space marine, and Hawke is just "some guy?" (Or "some lady.")

It's not really that hard to see a difference, is it?

Except the whole point of the game, at least from BW marketing standpoint is that they end up "badass." Theres no distinction to be made, and any attempt you make won't somehow change that.

Well that's quite the contradiction. Being "premade" has nothing to do with how Hawke "ends up."

Is your complaint that there is a plot? I mean, presumably you can't just go play checkers in the park for the duration of the game. Having writers decide on events that are going to happen does not make Hawke a premade character. It means the game has a storyline.

What is in question here is whether Hawke comes pre-packaged with a certain personality, like Shepard did. And as of now, all signs point to No.

to me it's like,

in mass effect, the plot defines shepard's character

in dragon age, the character defines the plot.

But how do you know that it's not the same way in DA2 as it was in DAO? We know nothing of Hawke besides his/her last name and default appearance. So how we get from that to declaring that Hawke has a set personality or whatever has me confused.

[pChar]

This **** again? I can understand some people frustration and everything but for the love of god, there is a search button or better yet, check first 3 pages and you'll find more than enough threads on this very same topic.

[Monica83]

i will accept to play as a hawk this time.. But i hope the next sequel you can chose a race and you are not forced to be human.. And i hope also the sequel we have a BETTER class system able to fit well in the gameplay and much more important in roleplay.. So no stupid limitation like warriors that dont know how to use dual weild or bows in order to make thing more "Distinct" (static).. And please not button smashing anymore

[Aristorum]

Speak for yourself. I don't want to be included in your "we."

I for one like pre-made badasses.

[Monica83]

then play mass effect lol

[Demx]

I see no difference between the two except the morale bar in Mass Effect 2.

[Merced256]

SirOccam wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Merced256 wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Merced256 wrote...

How is shepard any different than hawke? Especially most of you drooling fanbois are like amg i luv defaultz

Because Shepard is a decorated space marine, and Hawke is just "some guy?" (Or "some lady.")

It's not really that hard to see a difference, is it?

Except the whole point of the game, at least from BW marketing standpoint is that they end up "badass." Theres no distinction to be made, and any attempt you make won't somehow change that.

Well that's quite the contradiction. Being "premade" has nothing to do with how Hawke "ends up."

Is your complaint that there is a plot? I mean, presumably you can't just go play checkers in the park for the duration of the game. Having writers decide on events that are going to happen does not make Hawke a premade character. It means the game has a storyline.

What is in question here is whether Hawke comes pre-packaged with a certain personality, like Shepard did. And as of now, all signs point to No.

to me it's like,

in mass effect, the plot defines shepard's character

in dragon age, the character defines the plot.

But how do you know that it's not the same way in DA2 as it was in DAO? We know nothing of Hawke besides his/her last name and default appearance. So how we get from that to declaring that Hawke has a set personality or whatever has me confused.

Sounds like an admission that you couldn't roleplay in ME2, likely despite comments you've made previously when people said me2 wasn't an rpg. Curious. If you want to say you can RP shepard, then hes no less or no more a premade character in that context.

[Beerfish]

"We" is just "Me" with an upside down M.

[biomag]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

in dragon age, the character defines the plot.

That's not true. It just gives you the illusion that what your Warden said made any difference (except for epilogues).


I really don't understand what people complain about a set Shepard. If you can "imagine" how your character speaks and says something, while the game doesn't react to that at all, why can't you imagine Shepard said something using different words and with a different tune than the voice actor, as the result will match (in 95% of the cases) the outcome you wanted to have?

[OriginsIsBest]

Dragon age 2 - RPG of the year.

HAHAHAHAHAHA GETS FUNNIER EVERY TIME I SAY IT.

Modifié par OriginsIsBest, 15 septembre 2010 - 07:22 .

[TMZuk]

Anarya wrote...

Aw. Can't you give Hawke a chance? Poor guy.

Not if he is as dull and boring sounding as MaleShep. I'm glad JH at least was able to present a good FemShep, or I would have been unable to play throgh ME and ME2. But VO sucks, when you don't like the acting, and I hated MM's wooden acting in both ME-games. So, basicly, it's a waste of money and disc-space, and yes, lets all throw rocks at Hawke. I'll happily throw the first!

[upsettingshorts]

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Dragon age 2 - RPG of the year.

HAHAHAHAHAHA GETS FUNNIER EVERY TIME I SAY IT.

Oooh that looks fun, lemme try that!

OriginsIsBest - Poster of the Year.

...nope, not funny.  Just kinda sad.  And achy.

[Monica83]

Hey shepard you have feelings?

Shepard:Ghu?

[OriginsIsBest]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Dragon age 2 - RPG of the year.

HAHAHAHAHAHA GETS FUNNIER EVERY TIME I SAY IT.

Oooh that looks fun, lemme try that!

OriginsIsBest - Poster of the Year.

...nope, not funny.  Just kinda sad.  And achy.

Upsettingshorts: I should go.
Me: Have fun with Mike Hawke.

[DPB]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Dragon age 2 - RPG of the year.

HAHAHAHAHAHA GETS FUNNIER EVERY TIME I SAY IT.

Oooh that looks fun, lemme try that!

OriginsIsBest - Poster of the Year.

...nope, not funny.  Just kinda sad.  And achy.

This one is even worse:

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Dragon age 2 sucks black hobo ass crack.

Dear me.

[upsettingshorts]

I prefer seeing a conversation take place as opposed to picking lines of text and having a character talk at me.

So, bring on voiced Hawke.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 15 septembre 2010 - 07:28 .

[OriginsIsBest]

TMZuk wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Aw. Can't you give Hawke a chance? Poor guy.

Not if he is as dull and boring sounding as MaleShep. I'm glad JH at least was able to present a good FemShep, or I would have been unable to play throgh ME and ME2. But VO sucks, when you don't like the acting, and I hated MM's wooden acting in both ME-games. So, basicly, it's a waste of money and disc-space, and yes, lets all throw rocks at Hawke. I'll happily throw the first!

throwing rocks at Hawke does sound like a lot of fun. 

[Merced256]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I prefer seeing a conversation take place as opposed to picking lines of text and having a character talk at me.

So, bring on voiced Hawke.

go watch a movie then, ***.

[upsettingshorts]

Merced256 wrote...
go watch a movie then, ***.

I don't have to, thanks to gaming innovations like the dialogue wheel.

Damn reactionaries always bring a good thing down.  The sky is not falling.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 15 septembre 2010 - 07:30 .

[OriginsIsBest]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I prefer seeing a conversation take place as opposed to picking lines of text and having a character talk at me.

So, bring on voiced Hawke.

Go watch a movie. I for one would rather read the lines in my head than have some ****** ass dude voice my character for me.

[Monica83]

Innovation....

You take a nice rpg game you force all to play a premade character cut off half ability of a class make it more shorter than original...



And you call all those thing.... Innovation? only for a VO character?

*epic laugh*

[SirOccam]

Merced256 wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Well that's quite the contradiction. Being "premade" has nothing to do with how Hawke "ends up."

Is your complaint that there is a plot? I mean, presumably you can't just go play checkers in the park for the duration of the game. Having writers decide on events that are going to happen does not make Hawke a premade character. It means the game has a storyline.

What is in question here is whether Hawke comes pre-packaged with a certain personality, like Shepard did. And as of now, all signs point to No.

to me it's like,

in mass effect, the plot defines shepard's character

in dragon age, the character defines the plot.

But how do you know that it's not the same way in DA2 as it was in DAO? We know nothing of Hawke besides his/her last name and default appearance. So how we get from that to declaring that Hawke has a set personality or whatever has me confused.

Sounds like an admission that you couldn't roleplay in ME2, likely despite comments you've made previously when people said me2 wasn't an rpg. Curious. If you want to say you can RP shepard, then hes no less or no more a premade character in that context.

I was operating within the paradigm nightcobra set up. He stated his reasoning for exactly how he believes Shepard and the Warden are different, the overriding argument being that Hawke is going to be like Shepard. I have no quarrel with his first point, but I have trouble seeing the connection to Hawke here.

In short, it doesn't matter what I believe. If he thinks DAO was fine, then all I have to do is show, for the purposes of this debate, that Hawke can be like the Warden in that respect (or at least that he's not necessarily NOT like that).

As for what I believe, even though it is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, I don't think roleplayability is an all-or-nothing thing. You could certainly roleplay as Shepard, but not to the extent that you could the Warden (or, I believe, that you will be able to Hawke). You still control what he approves of or disapproves of, how he treats his companions, etc. That's still roleplaying. I don't think a "premade" character means roleplaying is impossible.

In this context, "premade" means certain aspects of his personality come pre-packaged. In Shepard, we see this in the fact that he is a decorated marine. While there are variations in how he acts, it's not a very wide range. With the Warden, you have more freedom there, but note that it's never going to be unlimited freedom.

Anyway, none of this applies to Hawke (yet), and this is my point. We know nothing about him/her yet aside from his/her last name and default appearance. So I don't understand how we can be claiming Hawke is a premade character like Shepard.