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[Bobad]

Even with full frontal nudity in the game, kids are going to see a lot worse with their mates and fifteen minutes of unrestricted internet access. A lot of this boils down to some parents just wanting to have something that will keep their kids entertained, without having to monitor what they are actually doing.

[Wulfram]

Blasto the jelly wrote...

I Don't Recall DA:O Having Nudity

I'd class the Lady of the Forest as nude.  Hair and roots doesn't count as clothing

[Orbweaver]

It also depends on how the gaming commission in the states chooses to rate the game. If it goes above a certain rating (M, I think, for "Mature Themes"), to an NC-17 rating or higher, it is going to hurt sales of the game somewhat because most parents won't shell out the cash for it after the cashier asks to see their ID at the checkout counter.



And while it is a parent's job to decide what content their child is or isn't allowed to watch or see, it just isn't possible within our 24/7 workforce culture to provide 24/7 supervision. They are going to get exposed to it somewhere, it's how things are handled AFTER they see it that matters.

[DaringMoosejaw]

I thought ME1 handled it tastefully and briefly. I don't want porn, but ME2 and DAO killed believability. They just sort of looked absurd. I'd rather them pull a full fade-to-black than do what they majorly did in ME2 or DAO.

[LokiHades]

Orbweaver wrote...
And while it is a parent's job to decide what content their child is or isn't allowed to watch or see, it just isn't possible within our 24/7 workforce culture to provide 24/7 supervision. They are going to get exposed to it somewhere, it's how things are handled AFTER they see it that matters.

While this is true, it's much more likely they'll end up doing this online, or on TV or even IRL (kids these days grow up too fast. I see my teen family friend and wish she wasn't obsessed with adult culture).

Just labelling games as a sole factor (not saying that you are, just pointing it out) is the reason why we get such bad rep and press. Honestly, if people just stuck to the guidelines designed to help parents out (actually reading the box rating), or if they teach their kids well enough (was 9 when HL1 came out, played it, never went berserk, never killed people, played DN3D as well), they'll realise that there's not much harm to come from games.

DaringMoosejaw wrote...
I thought ME1 handled it
tastefully and briefly.

This.

I definitely would love to see more tasteful love scenes.

Modifié par LokiHades, 15 septembre 2010 - 02:08 .

[Rieverre]

Bobad wrote...

Even with full frontal nudity in the game, kids are going to see a lot worse with their mates and fifteen minutes of unrestricted internet access. A lot of this boils down to some parents just wanting to have something that will keep their kids entertained, without having to monitor what they are actually doing.

What I'm wondering is why exactly this is an issue. 'Parents just wanting to have something that will keep their kids entertained' ... and buying a game rated M ... yeah, sorry, but if they do something like that they're not entitled to **** about it.

Just do it as tastefully as you did in ME1, but hell's bells, don't torture us with more through-underwear sex scenes. Those are hilarious, which I'm pretty sure isn't what the the intent was.

[Russalka]

One whiff of a minge and no one's going to sell DA2.

Modifié par Russalka, 15 septembre 2010 - 02:14 .

[LokiHades]

Rieverre wrote...
What I'm wondering is why exactly this is an issue. 'Parents just wanting to have something that will keep their kids entertained' ... and buying a game rated M ... yeah, sorry, but if they do something like that they're not entitled to **** about it.

Just do it as tastefully as you did in ME1, but hell's bells, don't torture us with more through-underwear sex scenes. Those are hilarious, which I'm pretty sure isn't what the the intent was.

Agreed completely.

And yes, I'd rather not see more through underwear sex scenes, they just don't make sense are absolutely lulz-worthy.

[Bobad]

I've been over 18 since before game certifications were common place, I'm just wondering if it is as easy for a kid to buy say a 15cert game as it is a 15cert DVD?.



I also agree completely with your point Rieverre, how can anyone complain about their kid playing a game with certain content, when the game is rated 18+ yet their kid is only 12 or so.

[Bobad]

Russalka wrote...

One whiff of a minge and no one's going to sell DA2.

DA2 skips the new fad of motion control to leapfrog to the new smell-o-vision technology?

[zahra]

Maverick827 wrote...

Don't worry, the Deviant Art modders will have your precious nudity within a week of release.

Those guys are awesome. They deserve a truckload of pies.

[Russalka]

zahra wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

Don't worry, the Deviant Art modders will have your precious nudity within a week of release.

Those guys are awesome. They deserve a truckload of pies.

That's IF there is a toolset.

[finnugold]

Bobad wrote...

I've been over 18 since before game certifications were common place, I'm just wondering if it is as easy for a kid to buy say a 15cert game as it is a 15cert DVD?.

I also agree completely with your point Rieverre, how can anyone complain about their kid playing a game with certain content, when the game is rated 18+ yet their kid is only 12 or so.

In the US, Mature games are 17+, not 18+, which gives people who are legally still children the ability to buy Mature games without parental consent. I think that's the main problem parents have with M-rated games.

It's also relatively easy for children below the age of 17 to but M-rated games, especially at places like Target and Wal-Mart where the employees aren't familiar with ESRB ratings and/or don't care.

That aside, I hope DA2 has tasteful nudity, as it can add to the story without making it feel like porn.

Modifié par finnugold, 15 septembre 2010 - 02:33 .

[Lord_Saulot]

Blasto the jelly wrote...

I Say There Wont Be Any For Some Reason Devs Think Nudity Is Worse Then Violence or Bad Language.

If it were the other way around, we would get no Dragon Age, or any other game featuring violence or killing lots of enemies.  How exactly would that be better?

Seriously, how would that be better? 

There are plenty of people in the USA who like to see video game violence regulated/banned.  All this kind of post does is encourage them.

[Champion1]

I'll never understand why so many people blew up after ME1's "nude" scenes. "OMG they're naked!!" Yeah, you could see that they were naked but it wasn't full-frontal or anything. It was as much nudity as people see in a PG-13 movie these days. I thought it was done very well without being overly erotic or sleazy. ME2's way felt fake and forcefully censored, and DAO was better, but still felt very awkward.



Seriously, a few people that haven't even played the game make a few dumb comments and all of a sudden showing anything even close to nudity in a video game makes it porn... It's not labeled "mature" for nothing people!

[SteveGarbage]

Eh, it's not a big sticking point for me one way or the other. Fade to black is fine for me - like the Dark Ritual cinematic or the Tali romance in ME2 or the Pearl cutscenes minus the awful one-liners they dropped.



The biggest problem is getting it through the ESRB, because if they brand the game with an Adults Only rating it effectively kills it because retailers will be hesitant to or flat out won't stock it and then you have to take all the backlash from the purists out there and it's just not worth it.



Nudity doesn't really add much to a game anyway, in my opinion. Sure it makes it a little more "real" or "believable," but for the hoops the developer has to jump through it's not worth it.

[Khraum]

There is a real hypocricy in Bioware and general American made games. In DA they have human looking characters (including elves and dwarves) dry humping in underware but let the mother from DAA strut around with a dozen boobs just because she is a hideous monster. Nudity does exist, but they are afraid to link it to main characters or the larger story.

Modifié par Khraum, 15 septembre 2010 - 03:27 .

[Rieverre]

not to mention you need ID now in the uk well most parts when you by a mature or adult game I had to prove I was 22 years

Isn't the age of majority in the UK set at 18?

[Herr Uhl]

Rieverre wrote...

not to mention you need ID now in the uk well most parts when you by a mature or adult game I had to prove I was 22 years

Isn't the age of majority in the UK set at 18?

And? You don't claim to be 18 if you're 22 in that case.

[Saint Joel]

it funny GTA 4 Lost and the Damned had full frontal nudity of man, for good ten secs. I barely heard any thing about that.

[Bobad]

Rieverre wrote...

not to mention you need ID now in the uk well most parts when you by a mature or adult game I had to prove I was 22 years

Isn't the age of majority in the UK set at 18?

It's called Challenge 21, a retailer initiative, basically the idea is that anyone that looks 21 or under be challenged to prove they are over 18 to remove the difficulty of guessing if someone is at the 18 year old threshold, this is mainly to do with the purchase of alcohol and cigarettes, I was not aware that it had been implemented with regard to media as well.

Modifié par Bobad, 15 septembre 2010 - 03:26 .