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[Antaress]

I was reading CODEXs and found something interesting about old gods and there names 

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Dumat, the Dragon of Silence and the archdemon of the First Blight

Zazikel, the Dragon of Chaos and the archdemon of the Second Blight

Toth, the Dragon of Fire and the archdemon of the Third Blight

Andoral, the Dragon of Chains and the archdemon of the Fourth Blight

Urthemiel, the Dragon of Beauty and the archdemon of the Fifth Blight

Razikale, the Dragon of Mystery

Lusacan, the Dragon of Night
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You see Razikale if female name who could be a reference to Raziel the "angel of mystery/God's secret"
So there is possibility that Razikale might be Flemeth itself  and it might be more or equal powerful as Dumat which was strongest one as we know. Dumat was so strong that it took 90 years to stop blight and third of Thedas nation was dead. So if if Flemeth really is Razikale  than we might have huge changes and only wardens or champions wont be enough to stop all this chaos, so this is were Morrigans child comes in. Since he is old God (Urthemiel) he has more chance to stop Flemeth than any one else .....



well what do you think? 

[Maconbar]

Not that I disagree but the old gods are described as sleeping. The darkspawn search and then awaken the old god thereby corrupting it. If that is the case then how did Flemeth/Razikale become awakened?

[Antaress]

Maconbar wrote...

Not that I disagree but the old gods are described as sleeping. The darkspawn search and then awaken the old god thereby corrupting it. If that is the case then how did Flemeth/Razikale become awakened?

meaby not all of them were sleeping as we know.  Flemeth lived  very long 

Modifié par Antaress, 16 septembre 2010 - 12:57 .

[Jarek_Cousland]

Antaress wrote...

I was reading CODEXs and found something interesting about old gods and there names 

...........................................................
Dumat, the Dragon of Silence and the archdemon of the First Blight

Zazikel, the Dragon of Chaos and the archdemon of the Second Blight

Toth, the Dragon of Fire and the archdemon of the Third Blight

Andoral, the Dragon of Chains and the archdemon of the Fourth Blight

Urthemiel, the Dragon of Beauty and the archdemon of the Fifth Blight

Razikale, the Dragon of Mystery

Lusacan, the Dragon of Night
...........................................................

You see Razikale if female name who could be a reference to Raziel the "angel of mystery/God's secret"
So there is possibility that Razikale might be Flemeth itself  and it might be more or equal powerful as Dumat which was strongest one as we know. Dumat was so strong that it took 90 years to stop blight and third of Thedas nation was dead. So if if Flemeth really is Razikale  than we might have huge changes and only wardens or champions wont be enough to stop all this chaos, so this is were Morrigans child comes in. Since he is old God (Urthemiel) he has more chance to stop Flemeth than any one else .....



well what do you think? 

wasnt the reason why it took so long to kill Dumat was because nobody knew of how to become Wardens yet?

[Antaress]

Jarek_Cousland wrote...
wasnt the reason why it took so long to kill Dumat was because nobody knew of how to become Wardens yet?

hmm as i know even when people became Wardens it took years to kill him 

[Fntsybks]

Another problem with this: assuming that the OGB inherits the Old God's soul and remembers being an Old God, why would it fight against Flemeth? Most likely it would side with her, or try to free the other Old Gods. (Unless Flemeth was trying to destroy the Old Gods, but then why would she teach Morrigan the DR?)

[Maconbar]

Antaress wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

Not that I disagree but the old gods are described as sleeping. The darkspawn search and then awaken the old god thereby corrupting it. If that is the case then how did Flemeth/Razikale become awakened?

meaby not all of them were sleeping as we know.  Flemeth lived  very long 

True. But the lore, such as it is, seems to indicate that the old gods were trapped or imprisoned not that they can move around. This would suggest that Flemeth/Razikale somehow became freed.

[Antaress]

Fntsybks wrote...

Another problem with this: assuming that the OGB inherits the Old God's soul and remembers being an Old God, why would it fight against Flemeth? Most likely it would side with her, or try to free the other Old Gods. (Unless Flemeth was trying to destroy the Old Gods, but then why would she teach Morrigan the DR?)

IT is nowhere sade that Old gods were friendly with each other
Flemeth might didnot tough that Morrigan would rebel 

[Antaress]

Maconbar wrote...

Antaress wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

Not that I disagree but the old gods are described as sleeping. The darkspawn search and then awaken the old god thereby corrupting it. If that is the case then how did Flemeth/Razikale become awakened?

meaby not all of them were sleeping as we know.  Flemeth lived  very long 

True. But the lore, such as it is, seems to indicate that the old gods were trapped or imprisoned not that they can move around. This would suggest that Flemeth/Razikale somehow became freed.

meaby she was more intelligent and strong than other and after she got free the lay low and waited for her time

[Lord_Valandil]

Another thread of "Flemeth is an old god" theory...It's getting tiresome.

[Astfgl]

Antaress wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

Not that I disagree but the old gods are described as sleeping. The darkspawn search and then awaken the old god thereby corrupting it. If that is the case then how did Flemeth/Razikale become awakened?

meaby not all of them were sleeping as we know.  Flemeth lived  very long 

As far as I remember The Calling the Wardens know where the Old Gods sleep. And I suppose they can count, right?

Antaress wrote...

Jarek_Cousland wrote...
wasnt the reason why it took so long to kill Dumat was because nobody knew of how to become Wardens yet?

hmm as i know even when people became Wardens it took years to kill him 

Because noone knew it should be Warden to make the final blow.

[Lord_Valandil]

vilnii wrote...

Ineffable Igor wrote...

If the Old Gods are sleeping then wouldn't it make sense that they are also dreaming?  And if they're dreaming, then aren't they in The Fade?  The Young Flemeth summoned fade spirits to kill Conobar and apparently became an abomination when a demon possessed her, right?  Perhaps it wasn't a demon that found and possessed her, but one of the dreaming Old Gods. 

Ineffable Igor this is an interesting explanation of the Flemeth phenomenom. She is basically immortal, and she shapeshifts into a dragon...which basically means knowing dragons intimately enough to 'copy their soul'

But alas, the Old Gods are not dragons, they only manifest themselves in that form.
Also, as it has been explained before, the Wardens know where the Old Gods are, and also...if Flemeth is an old god, then why the darkspawn don't hear her calling? And why doesn't the Warden hear her calling as well?
That's why this theory cannot be true, and yet it has been repeated over and over again...now, if David Gaider proves me wrong and Flemeth is indeed an old god, then I'll eat my hat. Although it won't happen. Don't hold your breath.

[Doyle41]

Flemeth does portray characteristics of an OG. She was adamant that the Blight must end and it was the greatest threat to all. I think offering up Morrigan could have been served up several ways. We already know of the vessel takeover story. What if Flemeth wanted Morrigan to have this OG child to eleviate the pressure from herself. If the Dark Spawn find this new OG, the she doesen't turn into an Arch Demon. The DS did show up in the Korcari wilds. In search of the OG? Maybe when Flemeth made the deal with the demon/ spirit, half the deal was for her to remain awake so she could alude the DS. With that being the case, DS will always scour the earth in search of her.

Maybe Flemeth was created like Morrigan's child, therefore she would not be imprisoned underground. If she is not underground, then the calling would bemore faint to the Dark Spawn.

Modifié par Doyle41, 16 septembre 2010 - 06:37 .

[finnugold]

Lord_Valandil wrote...
and also...if Flemeth is an old god, then why the darkspawn don't hear her calling? And why doesn't the Warden hear her calling as well?

As much as I dislike the "Flemeth as an Old God" theory, I think it would be very possible for an Old God to simply stop calling if it wanted to.

[TheMadCat]

I suppose it could be one of the logical explanations as to why the Darkspawn engulfed every inch of every blade of grass yet somehow managed to skip ole' Flemeth.

[Astfgl]

Doyle41 wrote...
 If the Dark Spawn find this new OG, the she doesen't turn into an Arch Demon. The DS did show up in the Korcari wilds. In search of the OG?

I believe by that time the DS have already found Urthemiel and woke him up. And that's why they came out on the surface )))

[nightcobra]

how about if flemeth is a part of an old god's soul possessing different people throughout the ages with the intent of freeing it's body before it is tainted by the darkspawn?

[Aurawolf]

I thought we know Flemeth is some sort of abomination, even Morrigan calls her that at one point. The fact that she has to transfer her essence from living body to living body would elimnate her being an old god.

[nightcobra]

Aurawolf wrote...

I thought we know Flemeth is some sort of abomination, even Morrigan calls her that at one point. The fact that she has to transfer her essence from living body to living body would elimnate her being an old god.

unless the ritual she does to possess a living body involves removing the soul of the target or even consuming it to perform the ritual

[Urrinor]

Aurawolf wrote...

I thought we know Flemeth is some sort of abomination, even Morrigan calls her that at one point. The fact that she has to transfer her essence from living body to living body would elimnate her being an old god.

That has been excluded in Witch Hunt.

***SPOILER**** Near the end, Morrigan advices us to beware of Flemeth, for she is no abomination, no blood mage, but something worse, not even human.****SPOILER****

[Blood_saint]

Also the calling only, as far as I know, happens when the gods are tainted. Flemeth, whether possessed or the god itself, would then not exhibit the calling because she is not tainted. By why Morrigan would create an untainted god to fight an untainted god doesn't seem to make sense because there is no guarantee her child would be a savior if an old god is already the problem. Unless, the baby is impressionable...

[Astfgl]

No. The calling is what the DS hear all the time. It helps them to find the Old God and only then taint it. It's the very beautiful song the Mother speeks in Awekening. And when the warden's time comes he begins to hear that song too, no matter wether it's Blight or not.

[AlexXIV]

Blood_saint wrote...

Also the calling only, as far as I know, happens when the gods are tainted. Flemeth, whether possessed or the god itself, would then not exhibit the calling because she is not tainted. By why Morrigan would create an untainted god to fight an untainted god doesn't seem to make sense because there is no guarantee her child would be a savior if an old god is already the problem. Unless, the baby is impressionable...

Morrigan said the child is an innocent, and must be prepared fo what is to come. And she says it when she has no reason to lie about it. That wouldn't be true though if the baby inherited the memory of an old god. I think it just inherits a potential of power that is larger than a normal human (or even Grey Warden) could have.

However I think now that Morrigan's baby (no matter who is the father) will play a role in future stories, whether protagonist or not. I personally think Razikale would fit well into the picture, if she was really Flemeth. Or the other way round. Fact is Flemeth planned the events of DA:O and not to gain immortality (which she possesses already obviously), she wants to bring change to the world. And for that she needs Hawke and probably Morrigan and her baby too. If and how her plan works though has yet to be seen.

Just for the record, the last person who brought about a change of the magnitude Flemeth plans to was Andraste. Who might also have been a 'barbarian witch'.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 16 septembre 2010 - 08:25 .