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[Russalka]

From an Archdemon corpse after they actually managed to kill him.

But his spirit just jumped to the next available Darkspawn.

[Ayanko]

Russalka wrote...

From an Archdemon corpse after they actually managed to kill him.
But his spirit just jumped to the next available Darkspawn.

The moment that soul left the body, it's no longer an archdemon it's just an ordinary darkspawn.

[Russalka]

Source?

[Ayanko]

Russalka wrote...

Source?

I don't think the codex has ever stated that before Dumat was killed the battle feild was littered with random archdemon bodies, there was only one body. And I assume it has to be a Old God (A dragon) If so just look at the weapons dumats spine and dumats claw.

[AlexXIV]

Ayanko wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Ayanko wrote...

Question, if archdemon blood is needed to become a warden...where did the first wardens get the archdemon blood from? Surely Dumat wasn't all "Yo, I know your trying to kill me and all that, but here have some of my blood while I, ya know destory the world and stuff"

The Archdemon can be killed even if you are not a Warden. I suspect they killed him but his soul escaped into a darkspawn and so he was reborn. What rather surprises me is how they save it for 400 years.

This doesn't make any sense, Dumat was a dragon. So how could it's soul escape into another darkspawn. Wouldn't it have to be another dragon? Or an ancient high dragon. My theory. Dumat may have been slain, but it's soul escaped. Not into another darkspawn, but into a young mage :] a Beutiful young mage, a Mage married to lord connobar, nudge nudge hint hint.
But in all serious, I Am in serious doubt of how they got the blood. The codex says they were grey wardens and that they drank the blood..but where did the blood come from...It's just confusing.

If I understand it correctly the soul is drawn to a darkspawn, since they are tainted and soulless. It cannot escape into a being with a soul, since that's how and why they die if a Grey Warden slays them.

[AlexXIV]

Ayanko wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Source?

I don't think the codex has ever stated that before Dumat was killed the battle feild was littered with random archdemon bodies, there was only one body. And I assume it has to be a Old God (A dragon) If so just look at the weapons dumats spine and dumats claw.

Even if they didn't kill him they could use his blood if they wound him. Archdemon bleed if you poke them with sharp pointy things.

[Russalka]

Ayanko wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Source?

I don't think the codex has ever stated that before Dumat was killed the battle feild was littered with random archdemon bodies, there was only one body. And I assume it has to be a Old God (A dragon) If so just look at the weapons dumats spine and dumats claw.

If the Archdemon stops being an Archdemon bodily when his soul flees, how do you reckon they get any Grey Wardens at all?

Where is the logic?

EDIT: And blood from simply wounding won't give buckets of blood needed to recruit an army of Grey Wardens.

Modifié par Russalka, 16 septembre 2010 - 05:43 .

[AlexXIV]

Russalka wrote...

Ayanko wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Source?

I don't think the codex has ever stated that before Dumat was killed the battle feild was littered with random archdemon bodies, there was only one body. And I assume it has to be a Old God (A dragon) If so just look at the weapons dumats spine and dumats claw.

If the Archdemon stops being an Archdemon bodily when his soul flees, how do you reckon they get any Grey Wardens at all?

Where is the logic?

EDIT: And blood from simply wounding won't give buckets of blood needed to recruit an army of Grey Wardens.

I think they only use a few drops, the rest is regular darkspawn blood, and as we know you only need one Grey Warden to kill an Archdemon. I don't know how big this army of Grey Wardens in the First Blight was though.

[Russalka]

Source?

[jpdipity]

Ayanko wrote...

Xanduin123 wrote...

just as flemeth says "names are pretty, but useless" (even though i am curious, who knows what bioware has come up with for her)

also in the joining alistair says something along the lines of "and so the first grey wardens drank of darkspawn blood"

does it say somewhere else they drank archdemon blood? in our joining we just had to gather regular darkspawn blood

Nope It was either in codex or from duncan himself that darkspawn blood wasn't potent enough and they needed a drop of archdemon blood to make the transformation. Ordinary darkspawn blood would just turn them into ghouls.

I believe someone within the games states that archdemon blood is needed, but David Gaider states otherwise:

"Becoming a Grey Warden requires a dose of the darkspawn corruption in sufficient potency that it immediately affects someone, rather than slowly enough to sicken them. Archdemon blood can be used (though is understandably much rarer), but any darkspawn blood can be magically treated to make it work. Your rank-and-file darkspawn simply doesn't have enough of the corruption within him to do the trick... though who knows?"
http://social.biowar...x/576559#576564

[Russalka]

That settles it then. Wonder why the Archdemon blood thing became ever so popular?

Modifié par Russalka, 16 septembre 2010 - 05:57 .

[AlexXIV]

Russalka wrote...

That settles it then. Wonder why the Archdemon blood thing became ever so popular?

Well as he said it is mentioned in either the first ritual or later by Riordan, I don't remember, that Archdemon blood is used. But like everything mentioned ingame it is just something someone says and does not make it necessarily true.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 16 septembre 2010 - 06:17 .

[Rikudou Sennin]

Ok, u guys r talking about Urthmiel not flemeth she is the old god Razikale as proven by me due to riddles she says even 'Dance... why not sing!' which means the old gods sing to the darkspawn to find them. the gong to summon the high dragon. The Dr with Morrigan to get Urthmeil out of the picture so just Her and Luzasan left to be found. Flemeth lookin like the dragon for Da2 and what Morrigan said 'She isn't even trully human'.

[Aurawolf]

I think the other Grey Warden mentions that thier stock of the archdemon blood was stolen from the vault in denerim and without they cannot create more Wardens, just doing another play through is the only reason I remember that.

[AlexXIV]

Rikudou Sennin wrote...

Ok, u guys r talking about Urthmiel not flemeth she is the old god Razikale as proven by me due to riddles she says even 'Dance... why not sing!' which means the old gods sing to the darkspawn to find them. the gong to summon the high dragon. The Dr with Morrigan to get Urthmeil out of the picture so just Her and Luzasan left to be found. Flemeth lookin like the dragon for Da2 and what Morrigan said 'She isn't even trully human'.

If Morrigan knew her true nature she could as well have said it. But she only says she is not truly human and more than an abomination and not possessed. I suspect that she is Razikale for months now but I have not seen one proof either for it nor against it. It is just speculation. And according to your 'proof' Leliana is also an Archdemon, because she also sings ...

[Rikudou Sennin]

But the darkspawn were never fond of her at all plus Luzascan is the god of night lelianain this case would be alot different to the leliana we see.

Modifié par Rikudou Sennin, 17 septembre 2010 - 01:29 .

[Vicious]

Flemeth as an old god? But she is probably something older and worse, which has used her immortality to pretty much expunge all real prior records of her existence.



That said, Morrigan is no way her 'real' daughter. The form of a human is just another form Flemeth can take.



As for the OGB, I am sure Flemeth had plans for him, and that is why Morrigan must retreat with him into the mirrior - He is literally a human baby who is innocent and unaware of his nature or his destiny.

[Gerudan]

Is there someone here, who knows if there was a Blight in which the Archdemon Slayer has survived?

[Rikudou Sennin]

least sumone sort of agree with me

[Astfgl]

Gerudan wrote...

Is there someone here, who knows if there was a Blight in which the Archdemon Slayer has survived?

It seems when Warden makes ultimate sacrifice Anora/Alistair says something like "He/she will be burried in Weisshaupt along the other four who killed the previous Archdemons" Though I don't remember the actual words, so can be mistaken.

[Antaress]

Gerudan wrote...

Is there someone here, who knows if there was a Blight in which the Archdemon Slayer has survived?

Only Our Warden

[Maconbar]

Any reason to believe that Flemeth is more likely an old god than an elven god? I am not necessarily a proponent of one theory over another just want to get other thoughts.

[Death of Life]

Astfgl wrote...

Gerudan wrote...

Is there someone here, who knows if there was a Blight in which the Archdemon Slayer has survived?

It seems when Warden makes ultimate sacrifice Anora/Alistair says something like "He/she will be burried in Weisshaupt along the other four who killed the previous Archdemons" Though I don't remember the actual words, so can be mistaken.

It said "... along with Garahel." I remember because I watched my bro do the Ultimate Sacrifice recently.

[Gerudan]

Antaress wrote...

Gerudan wrote...

Is there someone here, who knows if there was a Blight in which the Archdemon Slayer has survived?

Only Our Warden

So...how would Flemeth know, that the ritual would work?