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[DRSH]

krimesh wrote...
But in the end it only matters what Mac Walters thinks.

Indeed. This is the best answer that you will probably get.

[JRCHOharry]

Whoever made them did a terrible job at it. So it was probably Tim 'the tool man' Taylor.

[PWENER]

JRCHOharry wrote...

Whoever made them did a terrible job at it. So it was probably Tim 'the tool man' Taylor.

Illusive Man & Jacob!? OMG!

Modifié par PWENER, 16 septembre 2010 - 06:14 .

[SomeBug]

krimesh wrote...

In a way this has been said before, but my theory goes something like this: Imagine Humanity keeps existing for several more thousand years. This time, humanity's "memory" does not get erased, as has happened now and again in the past, as mighty civilizations collapsed. Technology evolves. The resources in the solar system get depleted and humans move on to another system, and it keeps repeating again and again. Eventually they start regarding their space vessels as home. A ship and it's disciplined crew works like one being, everyone being part of the hole. And yet, out there we are just like fish in a glass of water, with some propulsion glued to the glass. One tiny hole and all the water runs out; the fish die. So the humans use their technology to alter themselves to become more suited for space travel. When the ship and the crew acts as one, is melding the crew and the ship not the last step to perfection? And thus every ship is a nation, and yet acts as as one being. The first Reapers are born.

But in the end it only matters what Mac Walters thinks.

Mass Effect 2 had too many references from Harbinger to the Reapers being the saviours of the galaxy. While Mass Effect 1 established arrogance as a character trait, at least of Sovereign, this strikes me as too specific and too prevalent a theme of conversation to be conjured or some imagined rationalization.


Bottom line : There's probably some other Big Bad out there that is either the real threat, which the Reapers are helping us to stay hidden from, or along those lines.

[Vhira]

Aha.. but who reaped the inventors?

[hoodcanal5]

Whoever invented the Reapers must have had a complete lack of forethought.

Modifié par hoodcanal5, 16 septembre 2010 - 06:37 .

[Ser Isely]

I always figured, after part 2 particularly, at the peak of a civilization the reapers pop out and turn all the best or at least not the complete junk into a new "reaper" so each reaper out there is in fact a packaged form of the civilization it came from. The first ones maybe did it to themselves to live forever. I dunno just my guess. Before part 2 came out I was hoping each reaper would look very different though the derelict one in part 2 looked kinda like sovereign. So who knows maybe they make many from each civilization they wipe out.

Maybe the original reasoning was after a point everything sentient eventually annihilates themselves and they are trying to prevent that in a weird way?

[krimesh]

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Modifié par krimesh, 17 septembre 2010 - 10:12 .

[Rogue Unit]

The quarians, again. Fail.

[Garrett2507]

DRSH wrote...

I think... the keepers. I dunno why, but I have a feeling that the keepers were the 1st advanced species, millions of years ago who played too much with AIs and that those AIs became self aware => the reapers. It's just my speculation though...

"councler" Anderson does say that they never figured the keepers for heavy lifters, but that they can produce new bulk heads, or something to the effect of that.. my point is it isn't too far fetched to believe the keepers are the creators because A.) they were supposed to signal Soveriegn in the first one, but failed too. could have been just because maybe, just maybe.. THEY GOT TIRED OF THEIR SH~T.. and B.) because they are known to repair large things..

[Kenthen]

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

Definitely not the Protheans or any other races of the Milky Way galaxy.I bet it's a races of unknown antagonistic immortal deities (super-advanced/high-tech beings) from another galaxies and it should be revealed in Mass Effect 3.

That's easy, the Archdemon invented the reapers.

Modifié par Kenthen, 16 septembre 2010 - 08:30 .

[Rogue Unit]

jollyorigins wrote...

my crazy theory is that the keepers made the reapers, vigil said they could have been the very first race to have been defeated by the reapers, maybe it happened in a similar way to how the quarian and geth conflict happened?

This isn't entirely as crazy as you'd think. Sovreign said every race they wiped out use the Citadel and the mass relays in some way and to do that they need someone to always be on the citadel to activate the relay - the keepers. And considering that they were able to turn the Protheans in bug-like slave (Keepers kinda look like bugs don't they?) it isn't too far'fetched to think they did the same to the Keepers after conquering them and repurposing their masters to activate the citadel relay for their invasions.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 16 septembre 2010 - 08:31 .

[Malanek]

Drew Karpyshyn.

[OneDrunkMonk]

I'm still not really clear on what it is the Reapers actually "reap". Nor am I really clear why they even bother with organics at all. Obviously they are going through a lot of trouble to come back and destroy a significant numbers of organics, but what does that get them? The only thing I can think of is some kind of religious belief where the Reapers see themselves as Gods or God's hand. They keep the universe in balance by keeping organics in check, or something.

[krimesh]

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Modifié par krimesh, 17 septembre 2010 - 10:13 .

[kingswing]

Obviously the Reapers started off as just organic life forms that decided to digitize their consciousness in order to gain immortality. Which explains how they can jump from life form to life form with the greatest of ease, since they have no physical form anymore. The bodies of the reapers are just massive war ships that they created to house their consciousness.



The reason they destroy all life when it gets to a certain point of technological development is to prevent them from either doing what they did or finding away to kill them.

[Kenthen]

OneDrunkMonk wrote...

I'm still not really clear on what it is the Reapers actually "reap". Nor am I really clear why they even bother with organics at all. Obviously they are going through a lot of trouble to come back and destroy a significant numbers of organics, but what does that get them? The only thing I can think of is some kind of religious belief where the Reapers see themselves as Gods or God's hand. They keep the universe in balance by keeping organics in check, or something.

Could be a lot of things. One of the more obvious things would be that by trimming down organic life every now and then they're preventing something even more catastrophic, or they at the very least believe they do.
Or perhaps they're in fact intergalactic farmers.

[OneDrunkMonk]

I mean...the Borg? Really?



Thing is the Reapers hibernate for so long, the whole cycles takes so long, and who knows how many cycles have transpired over the millennium...Something doesn't add up. I mean...If you evolved to such a point, why bother, what more could you possibly attain?

[DRSH]

kingswing wrote...

Obviously the Reapers started off as just organic life forms that decided to digitize their consciousness in order to gain immortality. Which explains how they can jump from life form to life form with the greatest of ease, since they have no physical form anymore. The bodies of the reapers are just massive war ships that they created to house their consciousness.

The reason they destroy all life when it gets to a certain point of technological development is to prevent them from either doing what they did or finding away to kill them.

Cool possible explanation.

[kingswing]

OneDrunkMonk wrote...

I mean...the Borg? Really?

Thing is the Reapers hibernate for so long, the whole cycles takes so long, and who knows how many cycles have transpired over the millennium...Something doesn't add up. I mean...If you evolved to such a point, why bother, what more could you possibly attain?

Well to add on to my theory I think they eventually come back to see the progress the new species have made in terms of technology...so they can add it to themselves. No matter how brilliant you are, new species can still improve upon your creations and you want to take advantage of that.

Also to see the new species created in hopes of maybe improving upon themselves. Since they are not entirley machines maybe they want to see where evolution has taken place and see if there are any advacement they want to encorporate.

And as time goes by they become more and more advance by taking in the new civilizations technologies and evolutionary advacement they naturally developed.

[FouCapitan]

The reapers are the results of Apple inventing time travel and trying to perfect their new iPods 50 million years before their time.

[marshalleck]

kingswing wrote...

Obviously the Reapers started off as just organic life forms that decided to digitize their consciousness in order to gain immortality. Which explains how they can jump from life form to life form with the greatest of ease, since they have no physical form anymore. The bodies of the reapers are just massive war ships that they created to house their consciousness. 

Which is hinted at by some events in recent DLC episodes, as well as this long-running idea of Cerberus/TIM being symbolic of humanity's dual nature, its best and its worst--and they want to get their hands on Reaper tech.

Throughout all of Mass Effect there is an underlying theme of the nature of intelligence and technology, not man vs. machine, but a synthesis of man AND machine. My thought has long been that the Reapers thematically represent an end point of a relentless pursuit of progress and/or perfection, be that through natural evolution or artificial. A certain companion character in ME2--one with a unique perspective compared to every other squaddie--suggests that the Reapers by their very nature may ineviatably lay at the end of humanity's chosen path, rather than his.

Modifié par marshalleck, 16 septembre 2010 - 11:05 .

[kingswing]

marshalleck wrote...

Which is hinted at by some events in recent DLC episodes,

It is? So my ideas aren't just the rambling thoughts of a made man...they actually have some bases in the story, Sweet vindication.

Which DLC exactly are you refering to?

[stewie1974]

Maybe there was a doomed race long ago...... who were indanger of being wiped out by some catasrophe, so they decided to upload themselves into a vast biomechanical machine ....to save themselves.... they like legion are platforms for many consciousness... they also refer to themselves as we when refering to themselves.... "We are harbringer" "we are soverign".... and the *spolier* at the end of mass effect 2 supports that there are many individuals in a single reaper...... biologically...

So maybe the original reaper..... was an "ark" for a doomed race.... it got lonely being the only one of its kind so it looked out for suitable compainions...... in order to find suitable compainions... it set up little devices for them....


They view themselves as the "salvation" as they were indeed "saved"....themselves by the process..

Preflight cultures lack the "right stuff".....*shrugs*

no clue really, i'm sure it will be answered in some form or the other later...anything right now is pure speculation anyway.

However Legion refers to itself as "we"... and also "assumes control" ....of turrets at  least... I just find it creapy that legion speaks so much like a reaper.... so i'm guessing collective consciousness is at least one thing the geth and reapers have in common.

Reapers and harvesting....

You Reap what you sow... so what seeds do reapers sow, and what benefits do they reap?

Well the sow the mass relays and such to "force direction" on emerging cultures.... so they develop along those lines.... and mature into better crops to build with ..... mere biologicals don't suit the purpose for harvesting.... biologicals with mass effect capabilities somehow suit them better....... hell maybe theres some kind of background radiation generated by mass effect fields that adds extra flavor, or actually helps with the process *spoiler* seen at the end of mass effect 2.

Modifié par stewie1974, 16 septembre 2010 - 11:18 .