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[Kilshrek]

Someone forgot Unicron.



But, I don't really know if I'm too concerned about the JJ Abrams link. I liked Cloverfield. Didn't have the patience to watch Lost.



@vehzeel

I like time travel and I'm not 10 years old. Sweeping generalization much? But time travel has been overplayed for me right now, Eureka with the current story arc is quite enough. Time travel paradoxes are fun too!

[giskard8plus]

No J.J. please, he already ruined Star Trek.

[JeanLuc761]

Man, lot's of JJ Abrams haters on this forum
I feel alone when I say Star Trek was one of the best films I've ever seen.

OT:  The theory is intriguing (though, as Rip said, I'm not crazy about the time-travel aspect).  Really though, I just want the Reapers to be more than their current "Omnipotent force of collosal bad guys who just want to destroy everything."
I want some motivations, I want some reasons, I want some complexity.  Right now, the Reapers are very one-sided.  

[Wolf Warden]

Slidell505 wrote...



Dear god if bioware did something that convoluted. It would be amazing.

Discuss.

I like this...I even like the time travel part too.  As long as they tried to explain it as realistically as they could (granted its Sci-fi).  It would explain why the Reapers really believe that they have no beginning.  Interesting to figure out what the dark matter things are (reminds me of Babalon 5 shadow ships almost)

[Chuvvy]

s0meguy6665 wrote...

where does he get that last part about reports about planet sized super computers?

It's mentioned in ME1.

[Rivercurse]

Great theory, definitely one of the best I've read.

[Flamesz]

Slidell505 wrote...

s0meguy6665 wrote...

where does he get that last part about reports about planet sized super computers?

It's mentioned in ME1.

Where in ME1? I don't think i remember it. Could you find it on the ME Wiki?

[Chuvvy]

Flamesz wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

s0meguy6665 wrote...

where does he get that last part about reports about planet sized super computers?

It's mentioned in ME1.

Where in ME1? I don't think i remember it. Could you find it on the ME Wiki?

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Ploba

[Sailears]

Grey_Spectre wrote...

I just hope the Bioware writers haven't read this and said "fudging heck, the story's been leaked! Back to the drawing board!"

Might be a good thing.
Actually it's not a bad theory - just the dark matter beings pushing things a little too far.

[care-bear-us]

Burdokva wrote...
I want some twist in the end. Not necessarily "oh, no, there's bigger threat coming!" , as it has been done so many times it's almost unbearable now, but something along the lines that the Reapers weren't truly evil and that their agenda was far more complex, to their own eyes even beneficial, than just kill-harvest-repeat.

I've always liked the idea that there's a bigger threat than the Reapers, but it's not a character/species, but instead a fundamental property of the universe. Something like dark matter. Rather than killing off a species, the Reapers collect them, mass a not-inconsequential part of their collective psyche into a "biologically" immortal machine chassis, and hope they can ride out a galaxy-level extinction event when, say, every star in the galaxy simultaneously goes supernova.

[zsom]

Two minor problems with your theory...
What the hell happened to everyone else in the first timeline? Did we forget to crawl out of the primordial soup?

Second if they simply need resources and time to research a way of stopping the dark matter creatures, why kill everyone else in the galaxy? They could simply go back again and again until they gather enough resources and/or managed to save the galaxy.

Thirdly (yeah I know... initially I had only two problems ) why does everyone seem to think that the reapers need/care about this galaxy. They live in darkspace, and can travel to the galaxy even without mass effect relays.. If this galaxy was destroyed they could probably move on to the next one. The Milky Way isn't the only galaxy. It's just ours. And unlike the reapers we (or any other ME species) can't travel beyond it.

[Chuvvy]

zsom wrote...

Two minor problems with your theory...
What the hell happened to everyone else in the first timeline? Did we forget to crawl out of the primordial soup?

Second if they simply need resources and time to research a way of stopping the dark matter creatures, why kill everyone else in the galaxy? They could simply go back again and again until they gather enough resources and/or managed to save the galaxy.

Thirdly (yeah I know... initially I had only two problems ) why does everyone seem to think that the reapers need/care about this galaxy. They live in darkspace, and can travel to the galaxy even without mass effect relays.. If this galaxy was destroyed they could probably move on to the next one. The Milky Way isn't the only galaxy. It's just ours. And unlike the reapers we (or any other ME species) can't travel beyond it.

1 not my theory
2 We crawled out because of the tech the reapers made.
3 They needed their resources and no one will believe some guy shouting on the street saying. "Give me all of your most advanced tech! I need it to stop the end of the universe! Also I'm from the future!"
4 They're stoping the end of the universe, not just the galaxy.

[Midnight_Thirty]

zsom wrote...

Two minor problems with your theory...
What the hell happened to everyone else in the first timeline? Did we forget to crawl out of the primordial soup?

Second if they simply need resources and time to research a way of stopping the dark matter creatures, why kill everyone else in the galaxy? They could simply go back again and again until they gather enough resources and/or managed to save the galaxy.

Thirdly (yeah I know... initially I had only two problems ) why does everyone seem to think that the reapers need/care about this galaxy. They live in darkspace, and can travel to the galaxy even without mass effect relays.. If this galaxy was destroyed they could probably move on to the next one. The Milky Way isn't the only galaxy. It's just ours. And unlike the reapers we (or any other ME species) can't travel beyond it.

zsom......so angry. So far this is the most plausible and interesting theory surrounding the Reapers,

[Rivercurse]

giskard8plus wrote...

No J.J. please, he already ruined Star Trek.

What?

[marshalleck]

I like most of that theory, but it seems to me like the time travel bit is superfluous. I'd eliminate that and just stretch out the time line. I mean really, the universe has existed for billions of years, and theoretically will continue to exist for billions of years. That's plenty of time for the Proto-Reapers to transform themselves into organic-synthetic sentient interstellar colony spaceships. There's no need to evoke any more sci-fi tropes than absolutely necessary to stitch together a plot line.

Modifié par marshalleck, 16 septembre 2010 - 11:13 .

[Galenwolf]

dark matter creatures eating stars? sounds like a c'tan to me. I have the solution to that problem.... their 9 foot tall angels of death and have a galaxy wide empire.

Modifié par Galenwolf, 17 septembre 2010 - 12:00 .

[Midnight_Thirty]

marshalleck wrote...

I like most of that theory, but it seems to me like the time travel bit is superfluous. I'd eliminate that and just stretch out the time line. I mean really, the universe has existed for billions of years, and theoretically will continue to exist for billions of years. That's plenty of time for the Proto-Reapers to transform themselves into organic-synthetic sentient interstellar colony spaceships. There's no need to evoke any more sci-fi tropes than absolutely necessary to stitch together a plot line.

In the original timeline they have already transformed themselves into organic-synthetic sentient interstellar colony spaceships, but by the current estimation of remaining time left for the universe, they do not have the available resources left within the galaxy (after using most of them to create the Proto-Reaper super species) to study and effectively reverse the death of the universe, the "heat death". They MUST travel back in time because the resources needed for this project are not available, and the only way to gain them is effeciently harvest them through other species. The development of life at the current rate is only possible through their own interference.

In terms of storyline the time travel issue is not actually "essential", because you could change the issue of resource availability. The one thing that keeps this current theory so intriguing is the fact that the Reapers actually have to tragically harvest their own original race. This is such an interesting concept that I think the time travel SHOULD be left in, just so that can be included. My own opinion though, not necessarily everyones. 

Edit: Also, the fact that the Reapers that exist now are no longer the original Reapers is extremely ironic

Modifié par Midnight_Thirty, 17 septembre 2010 - 05:02 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

They be reapin everybody up in here.

Your insane theory is well... insane. So I suppose you win something.

[Terror_K]

Rivercurse wrote...

giskard8plus wrote...

No J.J. please, he already ruined Star Trek.

What?

J.J. Abrams ruined Star Trek. Well... technically Enterprise already did that, but Abrams beat the dead horse by turning Star Trek into a modern, mainstream typical Hollywood piece of rotten tripe. I'd prefer not to see Mass Effect turn into the same (especially since ME2 already did this a little to much for my tastes already).

Abrams wouldn't care about canon and staying true to the original vision of Mass Effect, he'd just warp it into his own version of the IP and the whole thing would be (excuse the term) alien to us.

[Burdokva]

care-bear-us wrote...

Burdokva wrote...
I want some twist in the end. Not necessarily "oh, no, there's bigger threat coming!" , as it has been done so many times it's almost unbearable now, but something along the lines that the Reapers weren't truly evil and that their agenda was far more complex, to their own eyes even beneficial, than just kill-harvest-repeat.

I've always liked the idea that there's a bigger threat than the Reapers, but it's not a character/species, but instead a fundamental property of the universe. Something like dark matter. Rather than killing off a species, the Reapers collect them, mass a not-inconsequential part of their collective psyche into a "biologically" immortal machine chassis, and hope they can ride out a galaxy-level extinction event when, say, every star in the galaxy simultaneously goes supernova.

That's a twist, and an interesting one (plus, it was hinted at the end of ME2).  

As long as the threat is something more abstract, physics laws of the universe or an event, rather than... hm, the Harvesters, huge biological ships created by a super AI of pure evil, I'm fine.

[Midnight_Thirty]

Terror_K wrote...

J.J. Abrams ruined Star Trek. Well... technically Enterprise already did that, but Abrams beat the dead horse by turning Star Trek into a modern, mainstream typical Hollywood piece of rotten tripe. I'd prefer not to see Mass Effect turn into the same (especially since ME2 already did this a little to much for my tastes already).

Abrams wouldn't care about canon and staying true to the original vision of Mass Effect, he'd just warp it into his own version of the IP and the whole thing would be (excuse the term) alien to us.

Star Trek was mainstream when it originally came out................j/k

Modifié par Midnight_Thirty, 17 septembre 2010 - 08:06 .

[Chuvvy]

Midnight_Thirty wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I like most of that theory, but it seems to me like the time travel bit is superfluous. I'd eliminate that and just stretch out the time line. I mean really, the universe has existed for billions of years, and theoretically will continue to exist for billions of years. That's plenty of time for the Proto-Reapers to transform themselves into organic-synthetic sentient interstellar colony spaceships. There's no need to evoke any more sci-fi tropes than absolutely necessary to stitch together a plot line.

In the original timeline they have already transformed themselves into organic-synthetic sentient interstellar colony spaceships, but by the current estimation of remaining time left for the universe, they do not have the available resources left within the galaxy (after using most of them to create the Proto-Reaper super species) to study and effectively reverse the death of the universe, the "heat death". They MUST travel back in time because the resources needed for this project are not available, and the only way to gain them is effeciently harvest them through other species. The development of life at the current rate is only possible through their own interference.

In terms of storyline the time travel issue is not actually "essential", because you could change the issue of resource availability. The one thing that keeps this current theory so intriguing is the fact that the Reapers actually have to tragically harvest their own original race. This is such an interesting concept that I think the time travel SHOULD be left in, just so that can be included. My own opinion though, not necessarily everyones. 

Edit: Also, the fact that the Reapers that exist now are no longer the original Reapers is extremely ironic

Yeah, you got it right.

[Rivercurse]

Where did this actually come from?

[MarkieeAi]

No Time Travel..



And "Time Line" Time isn't a line O.o Time is a circle, that's why clocks are round you know...



Just kidding but seriously, no time travel paradox crap.. Intresting theroy but don't ruin the game with time travel crap

[zsom]

Midnight_Thirty wrote...

zsom......so angry. So far this is the most plausible and interesting theory surrounding the Reapers,

Umm... actually I'm not angry at all. Why would I be? Sorry if it came over that way.
Back to the original subject.
Why do we need such a complicated theory anyway? The reapers are machines.. right? Right. Sooo they can't procreate the way organics do. Right? Right. The only way the create a new reaper that we know of is by killing millions of organics. So.. it seems to me that the reapers simply evolved to a level, where the periodic genocide of others is the only way to ensure their continued existence. Since even if they don't age, they aren't immortal. Sovereign was killed, and we know of other reapers who were also killed in the past.

Modifié par zsom, 17 septembre 2010 - 03:31 .