I like it, but I agree with most people here that time travel is too much. Also, if they reaped themselves at a stage before becoming true reapers, would that not negate their own existence? Whether or not that would be true, one thing is certain - time travel is a murky subject, and would obscure the plot too much, shifting the focus away from more interesting and original elements. I completely agree that if there ends up being some OTHER race of sentient beings behind everything, I might just cry.
Ending a story isn't easy, and is usually where most games fall apart. I just hope they put the same amount of 'outside the box' thinking and creativity into it as they did for ME1, instead of getting creatively lazy, which I felt like they did for ME2. ME2 just doesn't ever hit me with that sense of intrigue and depth that was oozing from ME1. The main plot throughout ME2 is in fact pretty uninteresting, IMO. The main focus seems to have been making the game as 'cool' as possible, without worrying about advancing the plot. But to be fair, the 2nd part of any trilogy is sort of doomed to be the least interesting in terms of plot no matter what you do. For ME3, however, they need to get serious again and put their considerable creative talent to work, because a bad ending can ruin the whole series (eg; the Matrix).
The most convoluted Reaper theory ever.
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Slidell505 wrote...
mattahraw wrote...
Slidell505 wrote...
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Take out the time travel, and this could actually work.
Yeah I know, and I'm usually completely against physics breaking stuff. But this is soooooo awesome.
It's like some of those crazy episodes of Dr. Who.
You know that the whole Mass Effect franchise is fundamentally built around "physics breaking stuff" like FTL travel, right?
If FTL travel is possible, then technically so is time travel, because time and space aren't seperate.
Forward time travel is possible using relativity and lightspeed. Backwards time travel is not.
And yes I know pretty much al the tech in ME can't be done. It annoys me everytime they use FTL.
I don't see why backward time travel wouldn't be possible. If we can time travel it means that all the different time differences are happening at the same time, we just have to jump from one to another.
I saw a documentary on time travel, one of the most coherent version stated that if you are using a device to travel back in time, actually you can't go back to a date when the device wasn't created yet.
It has to act like a kind of teletransporting gate, so you need a transmitter and a receptor.
Basically the device (they are actually working on it right now) consists of creating a sort of vortex by manipulating light molecules. Didn't really got it but it's a kind of big whirlwind inside a tube and you throw an object in it that will appear in a different date. In theory. They are far from make it happen right now.
Though, they also stated that traveling back or forward in time could possibly be done by traveling through wormholes, avoiding the transmission/reception problem.
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Though, you have to admit that the overall aesthetic vision of ME2 and ST isn't that far off... bold humanity going forward, lens flares everywhere, flashy blue energy effects, polished, gleaming environments (at least in Council/Federation space)...Terror_K wrote...
Abrams wouldn't care about canon and staying true to the original vision of Mass Effect, he'd just warp it into his own version of the IP and the whole thing would be (excuse the term) alien to us.
And meh, the IP was dead after the mess Enterprise (season 1-3) was - and ST wasn't that far off from the original series, it was only very different from TNG and later. And he got one thing right about the film 100% right: it exuded enthusiasm and optimism.
Cut the man some slack for reviving it, the alternative would've been nothing.
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Also, if they reaped themselves at a stage before becoming true reapers, would that not negate their own existence?
It's a paradox. The biggest flaw with backwards time travel. There's a hypothesis that every single decision you make and every event that occurs creates an alternate universe, in which you made a different decision or a different event occured. So the original reapers that stayed behind and didn't go through, could have simpley died along with the rest of the universe. Then when the original reapers went through and decided to kill themselves, they created an alternate universe in which they didn't. They possibly created the reality from which they came.
**** time travel is complicated.
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Lord_Tirian wrote...
Though, you have to admit that the overall aesthetic vision of ME2 and ST isn't that far off... bold humanity going forward, lens flares everywhere, flashy blue energy effects, polished, gleaming environments (at least in Council/Federation space)...Terror_K wrote...
Abrams wouldn't care about canon and staying true to the original vision of Mass Effect, he'd just warp it into his own version of the IP and the whole thing would be (excuse the term) alien to us.
And meh, the IP was dead after the mess Enterprise (season 1-3) was - and ST wasn't that far off from the original series, it was only very different from TNG and later. And he got one thing right about the film 100% right: it exuded enthusiasm and optimism.
Cut the man some slack for reviving it, the alternative would've been nothing.
I'd have preferred nothing, rather than seeing one of my favourite IPs getting dragged through the mud by Hollywood again by another hack director. The film was a mess, the characters were screwed up and the canon ripped to shreds. The guy couldn't even get Vulcans right (they acted more like Romulans).
Sorry, but I'm sick of Hollywood taking good, existing IPs from the past and reinventing them for the modern age into the same gritty, edgy and over-the-top flashy bull**** because they can't come up with anything original any more. Abrams' Star Trek was no exception, and I don't want to see the same thing happen with Mass Effect as well. About the only modern adaptations that seem to work these days are some of the comic book-based ones, and even they never fully pull it off.
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Posté 18 septembre 2010 - 01:33
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If Mass Effect turns out being similar in feel to J.J.'s Star Trek, I'll be super thrilled
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Posté 18 septembre 2010 - 01:50
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definitely in the Primer school of time travel - love that it refers to all that Haestrom stuff and incorporates it - very cool.
I agree that the time travel seems pretty out of the blue, and irritating, but it is the only way that this story line can work short of the Reapers having ridden out the heat deaths of previous universesin dark space and waited for the next big bang of the next to come along.
And I know no one really cares any more, but close to light speed causes relativistic effects that allow you to experience time at a slower rate and effectively travel into the future, time approaches complete standstill as you approach light speed. No one can travel fast enough to hit that stopping point, but one school of sci-fi would say that if you can travel faster then time would move backwards instead of forwards (though as it's all subjective, you'd just age backwards whilst the universe kept going around you - younger but still moving forward)
I agree that the time travel seems pretty out of the blue, and irritating, but it is the only way that this story line can work short of the Reapers having ridden out the heat deaths of previous universesin dark space and waited for the next big bang of the next to come along.
And I know no one really cares any more, but close to light speed causes relativistic effects that allow you to experience time at a slower rate and effectively travel into the future, time approaches complete standstill as you approach light speed. No one can travel fast enough to hit that stopping point, but one school of sci-fi would say that if you can travel faster then time would move backwards instead of forwards (though as it's all subjective, you'd just age backwards whilst the universe kept going around you - younger but still moving forward)
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Posté 18 septembre 2010 - 02:01
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Terror_K wrote...
Lord_Tirian wrote...
Though, you have to admit that the overall aesthetic vision of ME2 and ST isn't that far off... bold humanity going forward, lens flares everywhere, flashy blue energy effects, polished, gleaming environments (at least in Council/Federation space)...Terror_K wrote...
Abrams wouldn't care about canon and staying true to the original vision of Mass Effect, he'd just warp it into his own version of the IP and the whole thing would be (excuse the term) alien to us.
And meh, the IP was dead after the mess Enterprise (season 1-3) was - and ST wasn't that far off from the original series, it was only very different from TNG and later. And he got one thing right about the film 100% right: it exuded enthusiasm and optimism.
Cut the man some slack for reviving it, the alternative would've been nothing.
I'd have preferred nothing, rather than seeing one of my favourite IPs getting dragged through the mud by Hollywood again by another hack director. The film was a mess, the characters were screwed up and the canon ripped to shreds. The guy couldn't even get Vulcans right (they acted more like Romulans).
Sorry, but I'm sick of Hollywood taking good, existing IPs from the past and reinventing them for the modern age into the same gritty, edgy and over-the-top flashy bull**** because they can't come up with anything original any more. Abrams' Star Trek was no exception, and I don't want to see the same thing happen with Mass Effect as well. About the only modern adaptations that seem to work these days are some of the comic book-based ones, and even they never fully pull it off.
Good lord! Look at Captain Pretentious here.
Star Trek was always goofy and as a fan myself I should know. Go back and watch the original series to see how silly it was. I blame Next Generation for having a bald old man for a captain and the entire show had this air of pretention and elitism. On the other hand there were stupid characters like Worf (Krogans>>>> TNG Klingons) and Wesley. It was snore worthy and boring. Compare to Mass Effect which is always fun but can become deep and thoughtful without being too overbearing
Voyager was better but the writing still sucked but Deep Space 9 series was awesome. Dark and gritty.
Abram's Trek if anything revitalized the franchise and made it much more appealing. It's Wrath Of Khan (2nd movie) LITE.
Also,
That's the truth. Most haters are just grumpy old men while most people admit the flaws of the movie (including Abram's himself) without getting butt hurt over it. I think a lot of it also comes from how Star Trek is no longer exclusive to you. Now most people know what Pon Far is
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this is really cool. i would like to see something like this for the reapers ultimate goal. and it fits in with their "beyond you can even imagine" mantra. and there's some irony in there... shepard's trying to save the universe - or more specifically the biochemical life forms of the galaxy - while the reapers are trying to literally save the universe. bizarre time travel scenario aside i think it's pretty amazing. me3 ending needs to be convoluted. if it's just.. the reapers harvest because they're programmed to by some dbag species in another galaxy that may or may not still exist, that'd be really lame.
and tenshi makes a good point. don't know why people don't care about that, it's proven science.
and tenshi makes a good point. don't know why people don't care about that, it's proven science.
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This is a great idea and I'm glad that someone thinks about it. Most need more weapons and armor in ME3.
It is evident that the author is well thought over this idea. If I understood correctly. Proto - Reapers were organic beings, but in their development process They understand that can not exist as an organic and embodied itself in the form of hybrid - the mechanics and organics.
The Next, most of the stars in the galaxy is extinguished and the galaxy started to grow old and die."
Then somehow Reapers opened the way to the past to return.
I hope I understood correctly, if not then correct me.
Even if you go back you can not change known to you the future, this contradicts the theory of quantum physics. Events will occur otherwise, but always lead to certain consequences.
And here I propose to travel is not the past, but in another dimension, it is theoretically possible:
The number of measurements needed to describe the universe not completely defined. String theory (superstring), for example, required the presence of 10 (counting time), and now even the 11 measurements (in the M-theory). It is assumed that the additional (unobserved) 6 or 7 dimensions are collapsed (compactified) to the Planck size, so that experimentally they can not be detected. It is expected, however, that these measurements are somehow manifested in the macroscopic scale.
Read about it here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime
It really is the best theory I've seen, respect.
Extinction stars has already begun - The mission of recruiting Tali (Her investigation).
If BioWare suggest to us something easier than this theory something like - Reapers destroyed their creators and are now obeying the undeniable logic of the machine - "Protect people from themselves and their desire for chaos and disorder - Organic life increases the entropy of the universe" This option is possible if we recall the words of Harbinger in the finale: "That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction." Or their creators The Keepers, but Reapers subjugated them - and now repeat the cycle to exist forever. For me, this explanation would be shameful, and I will assume that spent time and money wasted.
Theory Reapers must be incredible and not predictable, is not explicitly, with deep meaning. Such as this concept.
BioWare should seriously to pay attention to this theory, I support it!
It is evident that the author is well thought over this idea. If I understood correctly. Proto - Reapers were organic beings, but in their development process They understand that can not exist as an organic and embodied itself in the form of hybrid - the mechanics and organics.
The Next, most of the stars in the galaxy is extinguished and the galaxy started to grow old and die."
Then somehow Reapers opened the way to the past to return.
I hope I understood correctly, if not then correct me.
Even if you go back you can not change known to you the future, this contradicts the theory of quantum physics. Events will occur otherwise, but always lead to certain consequences.
And here I propose to travel is not the past, but in another dimension, it is theoretically possible:
The number of measurements needed to describe the universe not completely defined. String theory (superstring), for example, required the presence of 10 (counting time), and now even the 11 measurements (in the M-theory). It is assumed that the additional (unobserved) 6 or 7 dimensions are collapsed (compactified) to the Planck size, so that experimentally they can not be detected. It is expected, however, that these measurements are somehow manifested in the macroscopic scale.
Read about it here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime
It really is the best theory I've seen, respect.
Extinction stars has already begun - The mission of recruiting Tali (Her investigation).
If BioWare suggest to us something easier than this theory something like - Reapers destroyed their creators and are now obeying the undeniable logic of the machine - "Protect people from themselves and their desire for chaos and disorder - Organic life increases the entropy of the universe" This option is possible if we recall the words of Harbinger in the finale: "That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction." Or their creators The Keepers, but Reapers subjugated them - and now repeat the cycle to exist forever. For me, this explanation would be shameful, and I will assume that spent time and money wasted.
Theory Reapers must be incredible and not predictable, is not explicitly, with deep meaning. Such as this concept.
BioWare should seriously to pay attention to this theory, I support it!
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I like the theory but I would replace the time travel stuff with inter-galactic travel.
How about they survived the destruction of many Galaxy-wide extinctions by Reaping each galaxy in turn before moving on to save the next galaxy. Maybe they have brought salvation to many galaxies already and are really as old as Sovereign makes out?
Now they are here to save this galaxy and Shep is throwing a spanner in the machinery of salvation.
How about they survived the destruction of many Galaxy-wide extinctions by Reaping each galaxy in turn before moving on to save the next galaxy. Maybe they have brought salvation to many galaxies already and are really as old as Sovereign makes out?
Now they are here to save this galaxy and Shep is throwing a spanner in the machinery of salvation.
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@Dem_B - sorry if I'm being dense, but your explanation of other dimensions doesn't really suggest any means or possibility of travelling through them. Am I missing something?
I like the galaxy theory, but if all of the universe started at once wouldn't all of the galaxies die at approximately the same time (on a macro scale)? There would have to be something else at play here, like for example, that the Reapers accidentally bring whatever causes the early deaths of the stars with them to each galaxy, meaning that every time they arrive they infect a new galaxy... something like that
I like the galaxy theory, but if all of the universe started at once wouldn't all of the galaxies die at approximately the same time (on a macro scale)? There would have to be something else at play here, like for example, that the Reapers accidentally bring whatever causes the early deaths of the stars with them to each galaxy, meaning that every time they arrive they infect a new galaxy... something like that
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sorry but i just can not stomach anymore time travel
its a great concept but after seeing the "time travel did it" used so much i just dont want it anywhere near ME
besides the only way a paradox works is if your attempt to go back in time is a failure because you have to account for your reason to go back in time
ie: the reapers can not possible go back in time and distroy the original reapers because doing so would stop the time travel and everything resulting from it from happening including the "new" reapers
unless you are going on a muiltiverse set up where both futures exist at once
(by going back you dont alter the timeline you create a new seperate one the old one still exists and is still up a certain creek without a paddle)
and so techincaly the reapers havent traveled back in time but have traveled to an alterante
universe that is at an earlier stage in time in essense
its a great concept but after seeing the "time travel did it" used so much i just dont want it anywhere near ME
besides the only way a paradox works is if your attempt to go back in time is a failure because you have to account for your reason to go back in time
ie: the reapers can not possible go back in time and distroy the original reapers because doing so would stop the time travel and everything resulting from it from happening including the "new" reapers
unless you are going on a muiltiverse set up where both futures exist at once
(by going back you dont alter the timeline you create a new seperate one the old one still exists and is still up a certain creek without a paddle)
and so techincaly the reapers havent traveled back in time but have traveled to an alterante
universe that is at an earlier stage in time in essense
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I love this theory. However, please no time travel. Lost gave me enough headaches already.
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Posté 19 septembre 2010 - 12:04
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While this is an interesting thought, the idea of a multiverse is something I seriously doubt we will ever see in ME. I think it would mess things up, because the basis of the idea is that there is a "copy" of everything from Universe A in Universe B, except Universe B has completely different laws of physics and, consequently, what happens in Universe A happens differently in Universe B.lost lupus wrote...
sorry but i just can not stomach anymore time travel
its a great concept but after seeing the "time travel did it" used so much i just dont want it anywhere near ME
besides the only way a paradox works is if your attempt to go back in time is a failure because you have to account for your reason to go back in time
ie: the reapers can not possible go back in time and distroy the original reapers because doing so would stop the time travel and everything resulting from it from happening including the "new" reapers
unless you are going on a muiltiverse set up where both futures exist at once
(by going back you dont alter the timeline you create a new seperate one the old one still exists and is still up a certain creek without a paddle)
and so techincaly the reapers havent traveled back in time but have traveled to an alterante
universe that is at an earlier stage in time in essense
It's fascinating, but I'd rather see time travel rather than this in Mass Effect (not that I support time travel, as I remarked in my earlier post above). I just don't think including the alternate universes theory is something that would work in the ME storyline, and it would likely raise more questions than answers.
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Posté 19 septembre 2010 - 12:23
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No, please no. Not the time travel :/
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Posté 19 septembre 2010 - 12:47
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FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
While this is an interesting thought, the idea of a multiverse is something I seriously doubt we will ever see in ME. I think it would mess things up, because the basis of the idea is that there is a "copy" of everything from Universe A in Universe B, except Universe B has completely different laws of physics and, consequently, what happens in Universe A happens differently in Universe B.
It's fascinating, but I'd rather see time travel rather than this in Mass Effect (not that I support time travel, as I remarked in my earlier post above). I just don't think including the alternate universes theory is something that would work in the ME storyline, and it would likely raise more questions than answers.
but that was my point a paradox would prevent the OP's theory in that if the distoryed themselves you need to explain how they could of orginally evolved and developed and eventualy traveled in back in time
and so the only way for this to occur is if two timelines exist instanously
hence my hate for time travel it ethier gets overly complicated (which is a turn off for non geeks)
or its point is moot as it results in causing and or not affecting the problems with the original time line see terminator 1 see 12 monkeys
or we could just forgo any semblance of accepteble reasoning behind time travel and i could use ME3 as a coaster while taking an orwellian approach and willfully remove the memory of it from my mind (which is why matrix 3 does not exist)
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Okay, I might be too stupid for this theory, because I don't understand it. Please help me.
The Reapers discover a problem with those dark matter things, right? So they go back in time to have more time to deal with it, right? So now we have those super-advanced machines hanging there in the void; waiting for other races to evolve, and to gather resources, because obviously the primitives are a lot more efficient at that than said super-advanced machines, especially if they are being killed off as soon as they manage to spread across the hole galaxy. Um.
Plus there is nothing in ME or ME2 to suggest that there is more to it than the Reapers imposing order on chaotic organic life. So this theory is kinda unmotivated. From my point of view, at least.
P.S.: Why is this thread in a no-spoiler section of the forum? At least add a warning.
The Reapers discover a problem with those dark matter things, right? So they go back in time to have more time to deal with it, right? So now we have those super-advanced machines hanging there in the void; waiting for other races to evolve, and to gather resources, because obviously the primitives are a lot more efficient at that than said super-advanced machines, especially if they are being killed off as soon as they manage to spread across the hole galaxy. Um.
Plus there is nothing in ME or ME2 to suggest that there is more to it than the Reapers imposing order on chaotic organic life. So this theory is kinda unmotivated. From my point of view, at least.
P.S.: Why is this thread in a no-spoiler section of the forum? At least add a warning.
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look at the basic's of it
surely youve seen at least the remake of the time machine?
although he travels back in time no matter how hard he tries he cannot save his bride to be
this is because the reason he invented the time machine was so he could go back in time to save his her
so if he saved her then she would not have died and he would never had the motivation or the reason to build the time machine in the first place (which means he couldnt not have gone back to save her and thus she dies and thus the whole process starts again)
this is a paradox the wanted outcome can simply not occur
in OP's case the reapers went back in time and killed the "proto" reapers
but if the reapers kill the "proto" reapers then that means the "proto" reapers never made the reapers and thus they could not go back and kill the "proto" reapers
and so we are back at square one the "proto" reapers still live, they make the reapers who then again go back in time and kill the reapers
its an infinate loop its illogicaly so to justify it the timelines must split
thus we now have 2 futures existing at the same time
the simplest way to understand this is as 2 similar yet different universes
that are not linked by time the exist independantly of each other
1 "proto" reapers become reapers and go back in time
2 reapers simply exist (because they have just come from future 1) they kill proto reapers
surely youve seen at least the remake of the time machine?
although he travels back in time no matter how hard he tries he cannot save his bride to be
this is because the reason he invented the time machine was so he could go back in time to save his her
so if he saved her then she would not have died and he would never had the motivation or the reason to build the time machine in the first place (which means he couldnt not have gone back to save her and thus she dies and thus the whole process starts again)
this is a paradox the wanted outcome can simply not occur
in OP's case the reapers went back in time and killed the "proto" reapers
but if the reapers kill the "proto" reapers then that means the "proto" reapers never made the reapers and thus they could not go back and kill the "proto" reapers
and so we are back at square one the "proto" reapers still live, they make the reapers who then again go back in time and kill the reapers
its an infinate loop its illogicaly so to justify it the timelines must split
thus we now have 2 futures existing at the same time
the simplest way to understand this is as 2 similar yet different universes
that are not linked by time the exist independantly of each other
1 "proto" reapers become reapers and go back in time
2 reapers simply exist (because they have just come from future 1) they kill proto reapers
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^^
If that was supposed to be an answer to my post, then you need a lesson in basic irony.
If that was supposed to be an answer to my post, then you need a lesson in basic irony.
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and if that was a smart arse reply because you still dont get it i suggest you google
the grandfather paradox
parallel universes
alternate timelines
quantum mechanics
The Novikov self-consistency principle
the grandfather paradox
parallel universes
alternate timelines
quantum mechanics
The Novikov self-consistency principle
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The part they traveled back in time is taking it a bit too far. Some inconsistencies like FTL and EEZO can live, but lets hold it here or it indeed gets too convoluted.
The Reapers could've harvested themselves (no time travel, just use the guys that made 'em; maybe somewhat not like the scheme suggests) and optimized further cycles a whole lot using Mass Relays. The ultimate goal is still the research on dark matter life form.
But it's still really crazy. Revealing something like this in ME3 would break their godlike impression and thus immersion lost. We should really NOT understand what are they doing. Since it's the main point of ME anyway. And if we've got this convoluted scheme brought to us on a plate, the canon would be violated that second.
The Reapers could've harvested themselves (no time travel, just use the guys that made 'em; maybe somewhat not like the scheme suggests) and optimized further cycles a whole lot using Mass Relays. The ultimate goal is still the research on dark matter life form.
But it's still really crazy. Revealing something like this in ME3 would break their godlike impression and thus immersion lost. We should really NOT understand what are they doing. Since it's the main point of ME anyway. And if we've got this convoluted scheme brought to us on a plate, the canon would be violated that second.
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Posté 19 septembre 2010 - 03:29
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So the Reapers went back in time, to kill themselves, to get more resources to try and fix the problem with the stars? What?
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lost lupus wrote...
and if that was a smart arse reply because you still dont get it i suggest you google
the grandfather paradox
parallel universes
alternate timelines
quantum mechanics
The Novikov self-consistency principle
Oh thank you, I really do appreciate your help.
To spell it out for the smart physics-people on this forum: how exactly can developing species be more effective at collecting resources than the Reapers? Especially when they get eradicated shortly after they get started. 40 000 years to find the relay network, 10 000 years to collect resources. The Reapers could keep going all the time. They are not gaining any kind of advantage against those funny dark matter creatures. But according to the theory this is supposed to be the point, so fail.
Now that I have been more specific, be so kind and tell what I've missed.
