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[PARAGON87]

Yeah, no time travel. Or interdimensional-warp-field-rip-thingys.

[wookieeassassin]

Anyone who says no time travel needs to give a reason. I don't love it or absolutely hate it but those that do need to give reasons, and not "well its probably not possible in real life" reasons. Not all science fiction is truly possible.

[Faerlyte]

I don't have a problem with time travel as long as it's done well. That's my basic opinion of most things. All I want is for it to be intelligent and mature without loopholes everywhere. Time travel can be done intelligently and you never know when someone will come up with a completely new idea that will blow your mind.



The idea has potential anyway. I wouldn't pan something completely until I've seen the finished product, because it just might surprise you.

[superfatman]

Well doesn't physics say that theoretically if you were traveling faster then the speed of light you could go back in time? There's already FTL in the ME universe so perhaps that is the answer.

[wookieeassassin]

You can't go in "reverse" with FTL drives. As I understand it, if you're going faster than light you're time traveling but you can only go forward. I'm not sure though.One thing though, how does the ship, let alone the crew survive faster than light travel? Isn't a normal space shuttle pretty hard for a crew to withstand, at least the takeoff?

[Dem_B]

Most do not even suspect a conflict with travel on the superluminal velocity.
Special relativity (Yes, there are general and special theory) states that the journey for those who are moving faster than light is not equal to the time where they move. Ie will we cross the galaxy for a couple of hours, but in really will be thousands of years. Say if we go from Earth to the edge of the galaxy and get back, we will overcome this distance on the superluminal velocity for several years, but on the Earth  will be the millions of years.
So what, you say.
Mass Relay does not move us faster than the speed of light, it's to be changing our coordinates in space.
For example, imagine cloth on the table on the tablecloths lies a object, if we quickly will move the tablecloths object will remain standing in place but will be in the other coordinates in relation to the tablecloths.
Mass Relay breaks the space itself. Creates artificial wormhole.
Reapers should not be implement Time shifting with help of a time machine.
This may be a result of passage through natural wormhole that existed at the dawn of the birth of the universe, this transition is accompanied by a huge energy release pulsars (neutron stars) and this is determined the time shift.
Earlier, I also posted hypothesis of cyclicity of the universe. Everyone knows that the universe expand, but nothing can grow indefinitely.
What will happen when the will limit?
Perhaps the universe will begin to narrow, and time will go to in the opposite way? Maybe not, maybe the universe was born not during the big bang, and has always been.

[Vengeful Nature]

Mass relays don't use wormholes. Mass effect field technology involves both boosting acceleration and raising the speed of light around the ship, so you can move very fast without having to worry about time dilation. Is it pure fantasy? Yes. But one thing it doesn't do is allow for time travel. That's often what matters the most in SF: if your not going to be scientific, at least be logically self-consistent.

SF fans have put it like this: you have causality, relativity and FTL travel, but you can only choose two of them. ME chooses to scrap relativity in favour of causality and FTL travel. This makes the most sense if you have to have FTL travel, since if you scrap causality the entire physical nature of the universe falls apart.

Outside of this, Word of God has specifically indicated that time travel will not be used in the ME universe.

Modifié par Vengeful Nature, 15 décembre 2010 - 03:03 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Just wanted to confirm what Vengeful said: Mass relays are nowhere near how wormholes work.

[wookieeassassin]

"Outside of this, Word of God has specifically indicated that time travel will not be used in the ME universe." Huh? God said this?



Someone VERY briefly explain causality, FTL travel and relativity to me, as far as only being able to have two of the three.



Also, how would FTL travel affect the passengers? Wouldn't it tear the passengers to bits, or crush them against the seats?

[Kane-Corr]

I think that the Reapers had to use up their resources that they have collected over the millions of years that the cycle in some way. And now, if they don't harvest again in this last attempt, then they are finished forever. It was the only way for them to succeed in making it to our galaxy in time. But, there you have it. The Reapers will most likely be weakened when Mass 3 rolls around, and you'll see more of them dying or having been effected in a negative way.

[Dem_B]

Mass relays and wormholes.

From the description of technology relay:
Quote: "Mass relays function by creating a virtually mass-free 'corridor' of space-time between each other.", all can be found here: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Relay

Ie the "corridor" is a wormhole between the two relay.
We know the coordinates of the first and second and we cross created the "corridor"- wormhole. It is so.

But yes, this is no ordinary wormhole that we saw in StarGate.
When we fly to the relay we are moving not on superluminal speeds, do you remember?
Mass relay creates a corridor and pushes us through it using mass effect. Mass relay containing a massive, blue-glowing element zero core.

Modern physics confirms the existence of such natural wormholes and now there are investigations and searches of such wormholes.

@ wookieeassassin.
Spaceships protected by a barrier - it is a protective shield for the crew.
Without this barrier, even if we can develop the speed of light crew will die from cosmic radiation, which at superluminal speeds will be affected in large quantities.

Modifié par Dem_B, 16 décembre 2010 - 06:43 .

[Aidoru Kami]

Time travel only works in Futurama.

[Dem_B]

No one does not understand.

Mass Relay shifting us in time.

You know that the stars whose light reached  to us just now, they're gone. Light is have, but Star gone, how? You know?

Distance at which Relay takes us, not be overcome without the time delay, will leave millions of years, but Relay moving us for hours or minutes. This is the shift time travel.

These Relay create artificial corridors, but that if there are still natural corridors that existed at the dawn of the universe. What properties they possess? Maybe it move to the time of birth of the universe.
 
All those who simply say time travel sucks does not even know the basic Mass Relay, the foundations of modern physics.

Modifié par Dem_B, 16 décembre 2010 - 07:40 .

[Bluko]

An interesting idea, though the time travel thingy is a bit cliche. I'm sure there'll be some sort of larger threat found after the events of ME3 since Bioware has stated it has an interest in continuing the universe they created. And that means there needs to be sort of conflict. It could be any number of things, but to me the most sound theory is that there are simply more Reapers.

The Reapers are lifeforms, and like all lifeforms there purpose is pretty much too spread. And of course they also believe they are the most superior sort of lifeform in the galaxy. I'm guessing the Reapers have already spread to other galaxies such that there may be potentially even more of them out in the universe. Actually we can't even be sure they are from our galaxy. Perhaps in Reaper terms they just started with the Milky Way and that what our galaxy managed to defeat was just a small portion of them. I mean if the Reapers had enough time to build all the Mass Relays I'm sure they've gone to other galaxies by now. I can't see the Reapers being content with just harvesting life in the Milky Way. Thousands of Reapers is already a pretty scary concept, but imagine if their true numbers are in the order of millions. Also as organics how would we deal with this threat? Our species are unlikely to last forever and traveling to other galaxies would be extremely time consuming and difficult. I'm sure we'll win the war against the Reapers in our galaxy, but in the grand scheme things we're still screwed.

I dunno I get the feeling that the Reapers we're dealing with rely on a surprise attack tells us they aren't as all powerful. The Reapers very much like to play things safe, so I'm guessing they've prepared for the possibility of them being defeated by our galaxy's inhabitants at least.

[Dem_B]

According to data of radioisotope dating, the age of the Earth is 4,6-5 billion years.

This is half of the allotted period of our planet. Through about 6 billion years our sun will become a white dwarf, but life on our planet will die sooner, through2 billion years, when the oceans will evaporate and the temperature will be about 2000 degrees Celsius.

I say this to the fact that the Reapers evolved and kept their civilization, they built a citadel and mass relays from materials that didn't will destroy even the supernova explosion, they really must be very ancient.

They were living beings, but became the metallic monsters, why? The only way they could have survived. Their goal should be not simple a harvesting, it is based only on knowledge Proteans, this not necessarily be true.

How they managed to achieve this superiority?
How can we defeat them?
How can you resist what is far ahead of all the races of the galaxy?
Only a miracle can help.

[Lotion Soronarr]

mattahraw wrote...
You know that the whole Mass Effect franchise is fundamentally built around "physics breaking stuff" like FTL travel, right?

If FTL travel is possible, then technically so is time travel, because time and space aren't seperate.

Technicly true...altough you can go only in one direction - forward.
There is no travel back in time. You'd basicly need nagative motion for that.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 22 décembre 2010 - 08:37 .

[Dem_B]

All look only the first page. All see time travel - All write - can not be, please, read the comments at least on this page before you write that - then.

[Lotion Soronarr]

I have. And it changes nothing.
Travel back in time is impossible no matter how you cut it.

Accusing other of not knowing the foundation of modern physics, and then throwing theories around as concrete evidence will not help your cause.


Altough to be fair, the way science measures and deals with time, and all the math used behind it, don't seem to do the universe justice. Math already enables impossible things (division by zero, immaginary numbers, etc..).

"I say this to the fact that the Reapers evolved and kept their civilization, they built a citadel and mass relays from materials that didn't will destroy even the supernova explosion, they really must be very ancient. "

What? Where do you get that from? What supernova?

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 22 décembre 2010 - 11:00 .

[Dem_B]

@Lotion Soronnar

Supernova explosion can not destroy mass relay. 

Read Overview masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Relay
Quote: "One of the relays even survived a supernova's wake without being damaged."

I once wrote that if someone can explained to the evolution of the Reapers, I will support him. But all is criticized, but ideas do not offer.

This discussing needs to show that the motives and origins Reapers worry many people and we are waiting for a decent and not a trivial explanations.

Modifié par Dem_B, 22 décembre 2010 - 12:27 .

[SalsaDMA]

Reminds me of another form of 'Petey versus the DaMEs' from Schlock Mercenary.

[88mphSlayer]

so basically the reapers are like the biblical Ark, and sovereign/harbinger was Noah, gathering just enough of each species to ensure survival in the apocalyptic universe?



sounds interesting, but it still begs the question: what are the reapers? why do they need lower life forms?



the only thing i can think of would be that since Reapers are synthetic lifeforms, that somehow their DNA is breaking down, because otherwise what's the point of Reaper reproduction as they put it in ME2?



of course, none of this explains why they would need to kill off anything in order to get what they need, why invade erf? the only thing i can think of is needing more husks? begs the question tho of where husks fit into the equation?



even then tho, i still have to ask why they're invading erf, i mean so what they failed to take us by surprise... just wait 500 years or a 1000 years, we won't remember by then and then you can take us over and turn us into reapers/husks with ease



i guess it just begs the question of what the point the reapers serve to themselves

[Dem_B]

88mphSlayer wrote...

so basically the reapers are like the biblical Ark, and sovereign/harbinger was Noah, gathering just enough of each species to ensure survival in the apocalyptic universe?

I liked your analogy to the ark.

sounds interesting, but it still begs the question: what are the reapers? why do they need lower life forms?

Reapers have achieved a lot and rightfully consider themselves to be superior beings, the apex of evolution, gods if you wish.

Therefore, they believe that they can decide for others. To choose the destiny.

of course, none of this explains why they would need to kill off anything in order to get what they need, why invade erf? the only thing i can think of is needing more husks? begs the question tho of where husks fit into the equation?

The gods may decide who will live and who will die, who is worthy and who is not.

even then tho, i still have to ask why they're invading erf, i mean so what they failed to take us by surprise... just wait 500 years or a 1000 years, we won't remember by then and then you can take us over and turn us into reapers/husks with ease

50,000 years. They chose this date to determine who will be able to achieve more than others, who is worthy to stand with the gods, who becomes the new Reaper.

i guess it just begs the question of what the point the reapers serve to themselves.

And a comparison. Now in our time, the superpower sends its troops to various parts of the world for spread democracy and combat the threat of terrorism. Superpower believes that it is on the right can do it.

I liken the idea of power and possibilities of its application.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Dem_B wrote...
Supernova explosion can not destroy mass relay. 

Read Overview masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Relay
Quote: "One of the relays even survived a supernova's wake without being damaged."

Interesting. Of course, it doesn't mention the distance from the Supernova, since "damage" falls off with the distance...Actually, it mentions it's "wake" specificly, meaning it was  probably very far away.
That one Mass Rely survived such an explosion doesn't mean that a supernova cannot destroy them...It's no more accurate a statement, than saying that a care that survives a bomb that went off 10 meters to it's side, cannot be destroyed by a bomb.

None the less, Mass Relays are extreemly resiliant.

[Dem_B]

All once begins.
And in the heyday race Reapers, when they were not metal monsters, they too were not alone. Must have been other races.

But everything has a beginning has an end.
Occurred an event which prompted the Reapers to become such - the flesh in the metal. Everyone should understand that no one, on their own, do not agree to be processed into jelly, and then become a monster, but it was a necessary measure. Otherwise death.
But in those days, Reapers have not destroyed other races. Other races may have found other ways to survive after the cataclysm. They were "beings of light ". They did not turn into metal monsters, they are transformed, moved to a new level of life. Maybe someone don't  knows about them. masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Klencory They were mentioned in Mass Effect 1.

After many years of Reapers began to justify themselves, by what they have. They thought it was good, they not only saved themselves, now they top of evolution, now they gods.
They decided that the gods could decide the fate of others.
They will choose a worthy, to bring them closer to the gods.

"Beings of light " decided that they will be watching, but never will not interfere in the affairs of mortals.

Here's a story.

And most importantly it is that:
1) Reapers initially did not want to be such monsters. Conditions forced them to. But after many years, they started to justify himself. And now they considered themselves gods.
2) Always have other ways and where some see an end, others see new ways. "Beings of light " have chosen a different path.

I believe that the victory should be the most incredible. That win should be a lot harder than defeat. What is most likely we will lose the battle
Because millions of years Reapers amassed forces and to win will need a miracle.

I see several possible endings of Mass Effect:

1) Complete defeat. All destroyed. All dead. Cycle can not be broken.

2) Heavy losses, there is no chance of winning, Shepard takes the side of the Reapers, as Saren he does it to save lives. Humanity becomes the new Reaper, people are no more, but they will be one of those who step to a new level of evolution.

3) The Allies came to the rescue, but their strength is not enough, Reapers can not be stopped, they are indestructible. And at a time, when light of hope is almost extinguished, come those who always watched, but never interfered in the course of events. I'm talking about the "beings of light", those about who were in the vision volus on planet Klenkory.

I look forward to a incredible finale, but I'm afraid everything will be much more trivial.

Reapers will be the trivial villains, who kill everyone because we are lesser beings.
And we will build a huge cannon and will shot them, and destroy them all. [sarcasm]

I told you, I think, incredible story where all actions have meaning. It was much harder than it seems that evil is not absolute, that every evil has a motives. That is not so obvious as it seems at first glance.

Modifié par Dem_B, 28 décembre 2010 - 06:52 .