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Well, many thanks to user: rasmusvn for taking the time to write this awesome GUIDE TO FRAMING.

Hope you all find it informative and instructive.

Do give it a read!

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Framing Guide

When framing a lithograph there are several things
one might consider. A lot is based on the taste of the owner but there
are a few basics.

I made this guide for two reasons:

-    To make sure your lithographs aren’t damaged when framed
-    To get the framing job done right the first time

There’s plenty of advice in the thread as well. I tried to combine the essentials.
In case something is missing or wrong send a PM to “archive-th”.

The frame:

The frame is generally made from wood or metal, I’m sure plastic frames
exist but let’s forget about them. The benefit of a wooden frame is that
it’s easier to seal it to prevent bugs and the likes from getting
inside. Depending on the size of the lithograph one should consider how
wide the frame needs to accommodate the “weight” of the lithograph. A
thin frame may not be able to “carry” the lithograph unless you’re going
for a minimalistic approach or you just don’t like a wide frame in
general.

Not all framers are experts meaning that not everyone
can guarantee that the corners of the frame line up in perfect 90 degree
angels. It’s easier to accomplish this with metal frames than it is
with wooden frames. Wooden frames generally require more work and
they’re therefore more expensive. If you choose the right framer almost
everything can be done with a wooden frame and they’ll sand it and so
forth to make sure it’s perfect and smooth.

Not all framers can do this. Where I live it’s common for glaziers to frame art and they don’t
always get the job done right. Dedicated framers exist but in some
countries they’re rather scarce.


The mat (or passepartout):

The mat’s primary function is to separate the lithograph from the glass.
This is done to make sure the lithograph isn’t affected by the glass.
Bad things can occur for example if the lithograph is stored in a humid
environment.

A mat can also help present the lithograph in a nice way
depending on how it’s used. An added bonus is that a mat can hide
damaged corners which I’m sure we’re all familiar with.

In general the mat should be white. Note that white isn’t just white. The
lithographs are commonly described as having “white” borders. Naturally
this is correct but if one had to be precise they would be more of a
“blue white”. Where I live a mat isn’t available in that color so I
opted for a different kind of white.

One can also use a colored mat or a double-mat. “Vault101 Survivor” did this and achieved a very
nice result with his team litho. In case you plan on framing several
lithographs and hanging them next to one another it would be important
to consider whether too many different mats would simply look out of
place compared to using only white mats. Naturally this is all up to
you.

The bottom of the mat should always be slightly higher than the rest. This has to do with how the eye perceives the framed work.

The glass:

Glass isn’t just glass. You might’ve seen several framed works where the
glass acted more like a mirror than anything else. In general you
shouldn’t be able to see the glass; ideally it has to appear invisible.

This doesn’t come cheap though. “Float glass” is what’s mainly used because
it’s cheap and that’s about it. It has plenty of reflections and it
doesn’t stop UV-rays which will damage your lithograph over time.

Non-reflective glass exists as well. The cheap version can make the art look rather dull.

The ultimate solution is “museum glass”. It’s a generic term which describes glass with the following qualities:
-    Low reflection
-    Transparency
-    UV-protection
-    Authentic color rendering

Manufacturers of “museum glass” include: Tru Vue, Schott, Flabeg and probably many
more. “Museum glass” is expensive which means it costs more than the
double of float glass. If you see the difference there shouldn’t be much
doubt which to choose. The exception would be if you kept your
lithographs in a somewhat dark room without too much natural light and
wanted to save some money.

Some manufacturers of “museum” glass
guarantee 100% UV-protection. In the case of Flabeg the glass that only
guarantees 90% UV-protection is actually preferable because the one with
the 100%-rating makes the image look darker. Naturally they don’t
mention this themselves but I was told by the guy who framed my
lithographs. According to him a rating of 90% is more than enough and
it’s a question of whether the lithograph will last for 100 or 150
years.

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There are a few more materials used when framing but these can’t be customized.
Important
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All materials must be acid-free. If you use a professional framer this
shouldn’t be an issue but you never know. Note that acid-free isn’t just
acid-free (see the wiki-source).
-    All materials used should be
“reversible” so that the lithograph can be removed from the frame
without damage. This means glue among other things is a bad idea.
-    Certain frames might leave marks in the lithograph. These should be avoided.
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In some situations your framer might suggest attaching the lithograph
to a backing board. Depending on how it’s done you may not be able to
free the lithograph from the backing board again.
-    Depending on a
number of things there might be a color difference where the mat covers
the lithograph because UV-rays haven’t affected this part of the
lithograph. This only matters if you plan to sell the lithograph at some
point or if you want a smaller mat at some point.
This is advice from the framer I used:
-    The mat should allow 2 cm./0,78 inch of each side(right and left) of the lithograph to show
-    In general the sides of the mat should measure (7,5/7,5/7,5/8,5 cm.) or ( 2,95/2,92/2,95/3,34 inches)
-    There is no golden rule for the measurements of a mat. Nor does it scale according to the size of the lithograph.

A final note:

Using a professional framer isn’t exactly cheap. On the bright side they will
look very good and you’ll know things have been done right. One might
argue that spending more on a frame than the lithograph itself is
madness and that’s probably right. It all depends on how much you value
your lithographs.

Naturally you can also achieve a very good result
for much less than a professional framer charges. Some have done this
using frames from http://www.hollywoodposterframes.com.




Sources:
http://en.wikipedia....picture_framing)
http://www.davidglas..._Nwslttr2_3.pdf (page 1)
http://www.tru-vue.c...ue/Products/33/
http://www.flabeg.co...187&L=1&L=1
http://www.flabeg.co...ction_EN_02.pdf (PDF)


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Hey all, I FINALLY got some frames for my lithographs.
Unfortunately no one here in Australia has ever CONCEIVED making any frame as
BIG as 18x24, and moreover they have never even heard of 'UV protective'. It's
just silly.



Ok I exaggerate but honestly, it would have cost me $300+AUD for a single
frame, UV protective from the one place in town who manage to expand their
thinking ever so slightly and who was able to, however with much hesitation, conceive
something as huge as what I wanted. And the problem with that is is that I need
about 5 of those frames. So I'm not about to go drop $1500AUD just for my
frames.



But lucky for me there is THE INTERNETS. And another fortunate thing is
the USA haha. Lots of people from online USA stores who make exactly what I
want and doesn't charge a fortune. Only problem is none of them ship to
Australia :(



I did however (obviously) manage to track down one lady who was amazingly kind
enough to go through the effort of shipping international for me. And I'd recommend
her to EVERYONE. her frames are amazing, they are hand made (and damn well
too!) and she has amazing communication skills. This lady is the one and only
Susan from: http://www.hollywoodposterframes.com/

These frames (all 5 of them) plus shipping, plus currency
conversion cost me just over $300AUD. WOOO!! Yay for the internet.

I put their UV protectiveness to the test too, got a UV light and UV sensitive
transition lenses and these frames delayed the transition by at least 75% so
that's pretty good I recon.




Here is what I got:



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And



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That Geth poster in he middle is such an awesome piece done by the legendary
Adam Sidwell from: http://52baddudes.tumblr.com/



This piece is # 10/50 (Since sold out)



The text on the bottom reads: "Maybe I'd be better off with artificial intelligence."


So all, show me what you got, how do your look framed?
Lots of threads are Litho orientated; let's keep this one frame orientated for those who still need to find some.

Сообщение изменено: archive-th, 24 Апрель 2012 - 06:07 .


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i posted this in the those new lithographs thread but i'll post it here aswel

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my first every litho's Illusive Man Nr 372 and Normandy SR2 Nr. 224
you can see the first few pieces of my normandy model lying below the normandy litho infront of the Reach Memorial statue

i love the geth pic. very nice :)

Сообщение изменено: havoc373, 16 Сентябрь 2010 - 04:30 .


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This is a good idea - there are always people looking for framing ideas.  I thought it was helpful when I was shopping for a frame to be able to look at pictures of other's frames to see what style (thin/thick frame, color of frame, etc) I liked personally.

Here's my Normandy, framed:
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If anyone is interested, the above is this frame.  It is 1.25in wide, with a 2" mat and the Premium Archival option.  I chose to order here based on a recommendation from someone on the forum ... don't remember who anymore.  I
used a coupon code for 15% off, but it has since expired. It seems these coupons come out often, so if anyone decides to order from this site, do a search for "pictureframes.com coupon code" first!

Also... cute hunter plush!  :wub:

Сообщение изменено: Tentura, 16 Сентябрь 2010 - 04:41 .


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Honestly, I dont think UV protection is absolutely necessary. It might be if they are in direct sunlight most of the time, but for standard displaying, I think its unnecessary. I get 18" by 24" frames for $25-ish. They work great

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I framed these myself from scratch.   The measurements are: the frame is 20.25 X 28 and the matte cut is 2.25 on all sides from the outside in to get that width.

I have no clue if my glass is uv protected, I recycled some glass that my father had sitting around.  My lithos are never in direct sunlight in my room anyways but if you were going to put them somewhere where they would be in direct sunlight from time to time I'd go for uv just to be safe.  One important thing is too make sure everything is acid free whether it be the matte or any paper product used.

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Wow, that Citadel looks stunning, glad to see it found a good home.

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@archive-th

omg that's so cheap!! I'm so contacting her!

the cheapest i found here in AUS is $80-120 @_@

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@archive-th

That is incredibly cheap. I went to a local framing store, and they estimated that I'd have to hand over about AUD100 just for the UV protective glass O_o

Thanks for the link.

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 I'm glad someone started this up. I've been looking for framing ideas for a while. Not just the frames themselves, but the mattes also. I just finished piecing together the parts for my Normandy and Illusive Man prints, but I finally had The Wards finished...Now I just need to hang it! Took me forever to decide on matte colors (with all of the different shades in the lithograph), but here's what I finally ended up with:
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The lighting in the last picture isn't great, but I think it came out looking pretty nice. I used high-quality wood, UV glass, and double-matted it with acid-free paper, so it cost enough...About $200...But that's not a bad price considering. Michaels (art supply) is doing my Illusive Man for just over $100 with the same products. It's going to add up, which is why I'm having to space out the frame jobs, but they're all coming out really nice. If you don't mind spending a little extra and don't have the time or resources to do it yourself, Michaels takes good care of your prints, does a professional job, and the one in my area does a sale on frames that ranges from 50-60% off literally every week, so it's definitely worth looking into if you don't have a ton of lithos to frame!

Also, I've never posted photos here, so I hope I did it right...hmm. 

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^oh that's so beautiful *_*



oh so pricey though ><

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wow that wards looks impressive. I have a frame with something similar, but I can never decide if the matte is really worth it. It's also pretty expensive so that's a downer. Still I think you're choice in colours for that Wards suits it well.



And thanks archive-th, also being in Australia, finding a good frame place is amazingly hard. There use to be a local store that I got it from, but it closed down a while ago. I think my last frame cost me about $200...

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i dont really like the wards but that way you framed it makes it look one hell of a lot nicer.

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@Tentura

... cute hunter plush!



haha thanks. I love it. I have a Vortigaunt as well :)



@X in 415



I guess UV protective is not necessary, but to be honest I do feel a whole lot better now that I have it. I won't be all anal about keeping my curtains closed, or my lights turned off now that I have that peace of mind. I can now enjoy my lithos and maybe even put some display lights on them or something. There is not a whole lot of light in my room anyway, but its pretty close to the window.





@revisedr3ality



Dude...wow, that looks amazing!

To be honest I never really did consider a matte, but damn does it look amazing. Maybe one day when I move out and have a bit more wall space will I consider doing something like that. I have a few more lithos in storage that needs a place to be hung, but that won't be happening for a while I guess haha.





@iamsaige



Glad I could help :)






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Very well done revisedr3ality, looks awesome!

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Haha, I didnt notice that Hunter plush. I wanted a head crab plush

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Thanks guys! I love the way it turned out. Amazingly enough, having Michaels do it for me is cheaper than doing it myself (and less time-consuming). The Wards was a gift from a friend, and while it may not be the best-looking litho I own (hello, Illusive Man), I thought colored mattes would make it stand out more. I can't wait to choose and cut matte colors for TIM - so many to choose from...



The wood from Michaels was $70 and the only reason it pushed me over the $100 mark was because I chose the UV glass and double-matting. While the UV glass is obviously good for areas with high natural light, it also serves the purpose of showing little to no reflection. It's almost as if there is no glass there at all. I think when I finish framing TIM and the Normandy print, I will have spent a total of about $400 over 6-7 months. It sounds pricey, but considering I'm doing this for permanent display and have no intention of selling, it really isn't a lot. I am working on a degree in graphic design, and having these framed beautifully in my home is worth every penny to me.



Keeping it cheaper though, every idea on here is wonderful. As long as you can get a wooden/metal frame fit to size, you have the bulk of the expense out of the way. I just think the colored mattes makes them stand out so much. I can't wait to have the rest of them up on the wall!!!

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Posted in the Lithographs thread, but here they are again:

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Just the standard "Home Collection" 18x24 frames from Michaels, usually get them at 50% off when they are on sale (~$11 a pop) in preparation for more Lithos coming out :)

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The Citadel looks so nice next to the Normandy.

Oh, how I long for a Citadel of my very own. Are the "Home Collection" frames metal or wood? I looked at a few metal frames, but as the walls where I live are the half wood/half paint deal, they just didn't look right on my wall. It'd be nice to be able to get some cheaper wood frames and spend more money letting someone else cut my mattes for me!

BTW, the Collectors litho looks nicer framed than I would have thought. I managed to get one off of eBay for $15 (win!), but I haven't decided what to do with it yet ... It looks really good in contrast to your wall color, which is close to the color of one of my rooms. 

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revisedr3ality wrote...

The Citadel looks so nice next to the Normandy.

Oh, how I long for a Citadel of my very own. Are the "Home Collection" frames metal or wood? I looked at a few metal frames, but as the walls where I live are the half wood/half paint deal, they just didn't look right on my wall. It'd be nice to be able to get some cheaper wood frames and spend more money letting someone else cut my mattes for me!

BTW, the Collectors litho looks nicer framed than I would have thought. I managed to get one off of eBay for $15 (win!), but I haven't decided what to do with it yet ... It looks really good in contrast to your wall color, which is close to the color of one of my rooms. 


Thanks!  The "Home Collection" are actually just plastic borders, I thought about going all out, but at the rate Lithos are coming out and trying to save money towards jumpstarting my side business,  plastic it is :)

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That Geth poster is pretty awesome, just checked the site and it got a second printing so I bought that and a few other posters that are equally as awesome.




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Excellent thread - bookmarked.

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Moeblob wrote...

That Geth poster is pretty awesome, just checked the site and it got a second printing so I bought that and a few other posters that are equally as awesome.


I know eh! I LOVE my geth poster.

I see the second print is out of 100 ... that's kinda weird that he does that. I bought 10/50 ... now suddenly there is 100 more. Oh well. I don't mind. This is cool enough to share with everyone! haha glad you could pick one up.

What else did you get from him?

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No Country for Old Men, Wander and Kill Bill. Kind of regret not getting the Metroid one but if a friend of mine decides to order from the site I think I'll get him to add it for me to save on shipping. Pretty good prices since the AUD is so strong these days.



Now the only thing that has me worried is getting frames. You're right in saying that 18x24" is a pain in the ass to find in Australia. I still haven't gotten around to framing my Minuteman or Omega.