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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

JamieCOTC wrote...

LIARIBASTILA!!

She IS coming. 

PREPARE!!

You mean Evil!Liara right?

[tonnactus]

aryon69 wrote...


I see it as a sign that the power she has taken over is already starting to affect her.

I see that she was just overwhelmed.Also,she knows that there is someone who could stop her once and for all.

[Unit-Alpha]

I've noticed that the number of Talimancers who are attacking her is much higher than average. What an inventive philosophy, you all. "I would thoroughly enjoy punching her in the face." You need some counseling, dude?



It's hard to tell. I doubt she will turn evil according to canon, perhaps you will have the opportunity to aim her in one direction of your choice.The maturity of the storytelling of LotSB is much better than how she was handled in the main game. I, therefore, believe that a plot point that makes her an enemy seems very unlikely as it would make her the only LI that gets stuffed into that position. Even in KoTOR, Bastila [spoilers] can be turned back to the good side after the canon "she becomes evil" thing.



Bioware has yet to make a game where an LI is singled out for death or turning evil as the only possibility. I don't have reason to believe it will start now.

[Whatever42]

Oh, I don't think Liara would ever be a threat to Shepard. And I don't believe that she become an all twirly-mustache, evil laugh villain. However, you can't be nice and good and being the shadow broker. To maintain the shadow broker grip on the network, she will have to be mean and ruthless. So if she remains the shadow broker, the fall to the darkside will be complete. That's not necessarily evil - just nasty and self-interested.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Major Truth wrote...

The shadow brokers neutrality is what keeps him/her a resource in the galaxy. They are allowed to opperate under the context that information is available to the highest bidder. The SB is a resource to galactic governments and civilizations. If the SB were to start selecting who gets what infom they stop becoming a resource and become a threat

The SB does not disclose his customers. Nor is there an open market in the form of a convient catalogue containing all the secrets on sale. The SB picks potential customers and the rumor has it that the highest bidder gets it. But the SB also offered Shepard information free of charge. For what reason is anyone's guess. But there you have it. The SB does have an agenda.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 16 septembre 2010 - 09:37 .

[JamieCOTC]

Lizardviking wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

LIARIBASTILA!!

She IS coming. 

PREPARE!!

You mean Evil!Liara right?

Spoilers for NWN and KOTOR

Yes, so named after Aribeth of Never Winter Nights and Bastila Shan of Knights of the Old Republic. Both are the main female protagonists of each respective game. Both start out as good characters, (one a paladin and the other a Jedi Knight), but end up on the path to the dark side and eventually turn evil.  Both can be redeemed, but only Bastila can survive the ordeal.  (note: Bastiala can coax the PC to the dark side and the player will have an evil ending to KOTOR).  Both are heroes w/ a fatal flaw.  Only Bastila can be in a romance w/ the PC, but love plays a part in Aribeth’s downfall.   Both are strong willed, yet socially awkward.  Both are in positions of authority.  Both are “broken” at some point in the game.  Both accept the dark side as their true nature, unless dissuaded by the PC.  Both games are by BioWare. 

See a familiar pattern?

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 16 septembre 2010 - 09:46 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

LIARIBASTILA!!

She IS coming. 

PREPARE!!

You mean Evil!Liara right?

Spoilers for NWN and KOTOR

Yes, so named after Aribeth of Never Winter Nights and Bastila Shan of Knights of the Old Republic. Both are the main female protagonists of each respective game. Both start out as good characters, (one a paladin and the other a Jedi of the light side), but end up on the path to the dark side and eventually turn evil.  Both can be redeemed, but only Bastila can survive the ordeal.  (note: Bastiala can coax the PC to the dark side and the player will have an evil ending to KOTOR).  Both are heroes w/ flawsBoth have appeared in sequels/expansions.  Both are heroes w/ a fatal flaw.   Both suffer a great loss at some point in the game.  Only Bastila can be in a romance w/ the PC, but love plays a part in Aribeth’s downfall.   Both are strong willed, yet socially awkward.  Both are in positions of authority.  Both are “broken” at some point in the game.  Both accept the dark side as their true nature, unless dissuaded by the PC.  Both games are by BioWare. 

See a familiar pattern?

I had played KOTOR (althrough not NWN) so I know what you're talking about. And I don't think Liara will "join the darkside" althrough I wouldn't mind!

[AngryFrozenWater]

It think Liara already shows signs of going renegade. I don't like it, but like Jamie points out, BW went into that direction before. So preparing for that situation is better than hoping it won't happen.

[JamieCOTC]

As someone rightly pointed out, it's highly unlikely Liara will flip out before the Reapers appear. After the galaxy is saved is where it will get interesting. Will Liara give up the power of being the SB, etc. etc? I'd like to think it would be depended on if she was a Shep LI, if Shep was alive after final battle and how she was treated throughout the course of all three games and DLCs. However, the seeds of her corruption have already begun to sprout.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 16 septembre 2010 - 09:55 .

[Mox Ruuga]

Heh, wouldn't that be a sucker punch from Bioware?

First, serve some quality fanservice to the Liara fandom, after gypping them over with that ludicrous ME2 role she had. Then turn her evil and make them kill her in ME3... Bonus troll points, if Thane gets cured and Tali is once again in the squad.

[NanQuan]

I don't think we'll see Liara become a threat to Shepard, but I do wonder about her own moral evolution. Despite the fact that the SB's resources are useful and will help Shepard immensely in ME3, I urged Liara not to become the SB in LotSB. Of course you can't ultimately dissuade her, but I'm still uncomfortable with the idea. I feel like I'm sacrificing her soul to accomplish my goals. And while perhaps useful- even necessary - I'd like to keep her from going any farther down her dark path.



Hopefully, we can blow up the SB's empire once the Reapers are gone and walk away from the whole nasty business.

[AngryFrozenWater]

JamieCOTC wrote...

As someone rightly pointed out, it's highly unlikely Liara will flip out before the Reapers appear. After the galaxy is saved is where it will get interesting. Will Liara give up the power of being the SB, etc. etc? I'd like to think it would be depended on if she was a Shep LI, if Shep was alive after final battle and how she was treated throughout the course of all three games and DLCs. However, the seeds of her corruption have already begun to sprout.

Yeah. I've heard that theory pop up at several places. I won't be around after the reapers are defeated, though. To me that's the end of the trilogy. I hope. Hehe. So, I hope that anything important happens before that.

I think BioWare games should come with a text editor that allows you to write notes which can be attached to your saved games. I currently have lots of Shepards and keeping track of which Shepard handled Liara in a specific way becomes hard without that feature.

Edit: Come to think of it. DA:O keeps a log online of each character. That's pretty handy. Would be nice to have that in ME3.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 16 septembre 2010 - 10:09 .

[chucktheduck]

Liara; I'm sorry, (pulls a gun on shepard) but I have to do this. the reapers are gone, and now u will be to.

Paragon interrupt: (shepard kicks her in the face and walks away)

Neutral response: (shepard pulls a nuke gun anf fires, killing both of them(and simultaneously killing tali, cause shes useless))

Renegade interrupt: (shepard slaps Liara in the face) get,yo head on woman!

[jlb524]

JamieCOTC wrote...

As someone rightly pointed out, it's highly unlikely Liara will flip out before the Reapers appear. After the galaxy is saved is where it will get interesting. Will Liara give up the power of being the SB, etc. etc? I'd like to think it would be depended on if she was a Shep LI, if Shep was alive after final battle and how she was treated throughout the course of all three games and DLCs. However, the seeds of her corruption have already begun to sprout.

I still don't see any seed of corruption there, sprouting or not.   She does have a lot of power, yes, but it doesn't have to corrupt her.

Will she give up her position as SB after the Reapers are gone?  Maybe, or maybe not.  If she can continue using the info network for good, she may keep it. 

I do have faith in the writers that they won't rehash the 'Aribastilla' or the 'woman gets corrupted by power' crap with Liara, and I hope that faith is well placed.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

how about no? what type of plothole is this?

[Mox Ruuga]

jlb524 wrote...

I do have faith in the writers that they won't rehash the 'Aribastilla' or the 'woman gets corrupted by power' crap with Liara, and I hope that faith is well placed.

Ah yes, "faith"...

It's Walters time!

[jlb524]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I do have faith in the writers that they won't rehash the 'Aribastilla' or the 'woman gets corrupted by power' crap with Liara, and I hope that faith is well placed.

Ah yes, "faith"...

It's Walters time!

I'm hoping he doesn't write Liara.

[inversevideo]

There is no doubt that Liara's renegade meter is pretty high now, but I still see her as Paragade.



I don't think she will 'flip out' on Shepard at all.



The only way I see Liara going totally 'dark', is if TIM flips out and kills Shepard.

This will lead Liara to use her resources to destroy Cerberus and/or TIM, and complete her journey to the Darkside.



And should that unlikely scenario play itself out, then I would expect we would not see evil Liara until the next Mass Effect trilogy, which would probably be a century or two forward of 'Shepard's Story'.

[Merlin 47]

jlb524 wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

As someone rightly pointed out, it's highly unlikely Liara will flip out before the Reapers appear. After the galaxy is saved is where it will get interesting. Will Liara give up the power of being the SB, etc. etc? I'd like to think it would be depended on if she was a Shep LI, if Shep was alive after final battle and how she was treated throughout the course of all three games and DLCs. However, the seeds of her corruption have already begun to sprout.

I still don't see any seed of corruption there, sprouting or not.   She does have a lot of power, yes, but it doesn't have to corrupt her.

Will she give up her position as SB after the Reapers are gone?  Maybe, or maybe not.  If she can continue using the info network for good, she may keep it. 

I do have faith in the writers that they won't rehash the 'Aribastilla' or the 'woman gets corrupted by power' crap with Liara, and I hope that faith is well placed.

It might come down to (and this is just a gut feeling/guess) a Paragon/Renegade choice.  I can see Liara coming to Shepard after the Reapers are destroyed and asking for input about what to do.

1. Continue to be the Shadow Broker, feeding Shepard information, much in the way Tela Vasir did, for Shepard's continued use to shape the Galaxy as the player sees fit.

2. Destroy the Broker's base, wiping clean all the data stored in there and keeping Liara from going "evil".

I hope they don't have her become "corrupted" like Aria is/was, but there's another saying - "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions".  Just playing Devil's Advocate here (pardon the pun).

[robtheguru]

Liara is my woman and i'm a renegade, so if she wants to join me on the dark side all the better for us

Modifié par robtheguru, 16 septembre 2010 - 10:39 .

[only1sgop]

[quote]Merlin 47 wrote...

[quote]jlb524 wrote...

[quote]JamieCOTC wrote...

As someone rightly pointed out, it's highly unlikely Liara will flip out before the Reapers appear. After the galaxy is saved is where it will get interesting. Will Liara give up the power of being the SB, etc. etc? I'd like to think it would be depended on if she was a Shep LI, if Shep was alive after final battle and how she was treated throughout the course of all three games and DLCs. However, the seeds of her corruption have already begun to sprout. [/quote]

I still don't see any seed of corruption there, sprouting or not.   She does have a lot of power, yes, but it doesn't have to corrupt her.

Will she give up her position as SB after the Reapers are gone?  Maybe, or maybe not.  If she can continue using the info network for good, she may keep it. 

I do have faith in the writers that they won't rehash the 'Aribastilla' or the 'woman gets corrupted by power' crap with Liara, and I hope that faith is well placed.

[/quote]

I agree I just know Liara is becoming tainted with the dark side.

[1490]

I think it's a good thing from a player perspective that Liara could be moving toward the dark side: it opens up choices for the player. In ME3 as a paragon, you can lead her away from the temptation of power, and as a renegade, you can encourage her to embrace it. That's a lot more fun and interesting that having her "guaranteed to be good" without player input.

[Merlin 47]

Umm.....only1sgop?

That's not what I wrote.....lol....