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[stewie1974]

Hmmmm... what kind of life is a shadow broker.



Yes you have all the intel in galaxy.

Yes you can aquire a ton of wealth.

Yes you can manipulate entire solar systems and start wars.



But you are forced to live your life on board a dimly lit ship cruising through a howling storm...



I hope that puppy has luxuary quarters on board somewhere...

[IndigoWolfe]

I have a feeling Liara will be doing some decorating. Or Feron. Or Shepard, due to their own insistance.

[TMA LIVE]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I have a feeling Liara will be doing some decorating. Or Feron. Or Shepard, due to their own insistance.

Didn't that drone say Liara was buying a mansion?

[Zan51]

I think that Liara and Feron will be Shadow Broker together once Kiara gets it up and running the way she wants. And that she will be free to come on at least certain missions, maybe not all of them, with us.

[jlb524]

stewie1974 wrote...

Hmmmm... what kind of life is a shadow broker.

Yes you have all the intel in galaxy.
Yes you can aquire a ton of wealth.
Yes you can manipulate entire solar systems and start wars.

But you are forced to live your life on board a dimly lit ship cruising through a howling storm...

I hope that puppy has luxuary quarters on board somewhere...

I'm sure there are decent living quarters somewhere on the ship....we only saw the main intel center, by the looks of it. 

I'm not sure if Liara will be forced to spend her entire time upon the ship.  She can take breaks every now and then (she did to visit Shepard).  Liara has more freedom to leave the base than the last Shadow Broker had, given he was a yahg.

[jlb524]

Zan51 wrote...

I think that Liara and Feron will be Shadow Broker together once Kiara gets it up and running the way she wants. And that she will be free to come on at least certain missions, maybe not all of them, with us.

That's another thing...Liara can still be a squad mate for part of the game if she allows Feron to run the business while she's out with Shepard.  I still don't expect her to be a full squad mate for the entire game, but she may be near the end of the game...a late addition like Legion was in ME2.

[Eldan Varen]

Well, if you think EDI is trustworthy, just link her to the Shadow Brokers ship per quantum entanglement and either let her do the job completely for you, or just act as a proxy when necessary. Either way, the entire network could be controlled from aboard the Normandy... No need for Liara to stay on that old, probably not even space-worthy ship orbiting Hagalaz.

[Nimander]

I ... really don't think Bioware's going to pull a 1990s anti-hero Liara. It isn't deep, it isn't 'new'. It's trite and overdone. They're reconstructing pulp science fiction, not tearing it down to be dark and broody.

[Mox Ruuga]

SwobyJ wrote...
Sadly, I think indoctrination may be a major theme in ME3 

Another epic troll possibility for Bioware:

The major role the VS and Liara were spared for, when they couldn't join the suicide squad, was to make their capture and indoctrination, and eventual forced mercy killing by Shepard an important part of the story.

Heh... they would be technically right.

[Eldan Varen]

Well, BioWare has done something like that before... In Baldur's Gate II, your love interest was kidnapped and turned against you (by being "vampirised"). You were forced to kill her, but you could resurrect and cleanse her from vampirism later on.



So yeah. Personally, I wouldn't like to see something like this in ME3, but it's certainly possible...

[netfire_]

If Shepard asked Liara to walk away from being the sb after the fight was over she would. I have no doubt about that.

[Gibb_Garrus]

the liara hate in this thread is disturbing.



Liara won't turn over to the darkside, she seriously has no reason to.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Liara will never betray Shepard. If there is a single person in the entirety of the galaxy that won't betray Shepard, it's Liara -- romanced or not.



End of story.

[Wildecker]

Until now the Shadow Broker had no one he/she/it could trust. Liara has Shepard - and perhaps, to an extent, Feron. So Liara could actually risk a holiday.

Nonetheless, Liara as an Asari has several more centuries of life ahead of her than Shepard, even if Shep immediately retires and avoids every hazard possible. So she'll end up doing the Brokering alone.

A Paragon Shepard might inspire her to take a stance and to prefer customers with a moral attitude - for example, supplying Spectres with information if they not only "get the job done" like Saren Arterius or Tela Vasir did, but get it done with emphasis on avoiding or minimizing "collateral damage" - the Paragon way.

I don't know if Samara's way of the Justicar can work as a guideline for the future Broker. But if there ever was an opportunity to install a Zorro/Robin Hood/Batman-style force for good as perceived by the common people, it would have to rely on the Broker's network.

[Eldareus]

One thing is for certain, Liara is not the naive archaeologist of ME1 anymore. It will be hard test of sheer will for anyone to resist the temptation of abusing the immense power and resources at their disposal. I am reminded of the old saying "The path to hell is paved with good intentions." Liara has place herself in position to play God in a sense of who lives and who dies based on how she distributes the intel. That leaves alot of room for moral ambiguity especially when it comes to making a determination of what action is a lesser evil than another action. Liara's potential corruption could start off very innocently in her desire to do the most good.



I was also thinking about the really big security dilemma Liara has now with her identity known to eveyone on the Normady and even worse potentially Cerebus (aka the Illusive man). What protected the SB was his abiliity to keep his identity a secret. The information game is dangerous game and misdirection and secrecy are the best tools for survival. While the crew may be loyal to Shepard they have no loyalty to Liara and that presents a great threat to Liara's long term career as shadow broker.



Just some thoughts I had from finishing the DLC.

[Wildecker]

Eldareus wrote...

I was also thinking about the really big security dilemma Liara has now with her identity known to eveyone on the Normady and even worse potentially Cerebus (aka the Illusive man). What protected the SB was his abiliity to keep his identity a secret. The information game is dangerous game and misdirection and secrecy are the best tools for survival. While the crew may be loyal to Shepard they have no loyalty to Liara and that presents a great threat to Liara's long term career as shadow broker.

Well, doesn't that actually depend on how honest and verbose Shepard, Liara and the third squad member were about the battle inside the Broker's ship?
For all the average Normandy crewmember knows, Liara might have struck a bargain with the Broker and entered into his/her/their service. I recall Barla Von on the Citadel musing that the Shadow Broker had to be a group, not just a single individual.
Lately a DC comic offered a nice twist when someone interrogated Catwoman on Batman's identity and she stated that there isn't a single Batman, but a whole lot of living (and dead!) people who were "the Batman" for a while. Commissioner Gordon being one of them, Harvey Dent another, and of cause Mr. Bruce Wayne, sure. And cemetaries in and around Gotham are full of deceased Robins buried under their own name, thank you very much ...

You could actually build a new layer of myth around it. If you're clever enough to actually locate a Shadow Broker's lair and show up at his doorstep in person, you're eligible to join that very elusive circle of beings known as "the Shadow Broker".

Modifié par Wildecker, 17 septembre 2010 - 01:18 .

[Titanmike357]

I plan on one more ME1-2 play. Mostly because I hated how she was treated, but also loved how she was treated in SB DLC.

This one I L.I her then Tali (because I can) as a paragon, I figured I will wait and see what happens. I still picked the choice to call her over to the Normandy. I am assuming exciting things happened, but now after how she acted and by admission of her own mouth both her and shep are different people now.

Also, why was nothing said about a potential child from the first Me if you L.I Liara?

Can Tali have kids with shep? what kind of outcome would that be? I can see it being easier with Liara.



Liara went from a completely backwards (and cute personality) person to more of a ruthless rugged type over the two games,, reminding me some what of Ashley. Now she is more of a dominate person, who both I (and my paragon shep who makes choices like I would make) find completely unattractive, where as Tali has still got that quiet and shy cuteness to her. (That and I want under that suit and the acheveo)



Liara has changed, I doubt she will be a future threat, but I also doubt her getting back that awkward cuteness she had in ME-1



Next time I'm going to play a bad boy shep, and go out of my way to be bad and just get the job done, and Ill like L.I Liara again stick it out alone in M.E-2.



P.S

Anyone else noticed how let down Jack seemed when you turned her down after buttering her up?

Done anyone know if messing with jack "one time" and Kelly affects Liara in the Sb DLC?



P.P.S

I am really impressed with some of the followers you get, the back story for them is really amazing.

And I really like how M.E sets things up so you can still be a good person but make some "bad" choices.

[Merlin 47]

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

the liara hate in this thread is disturbing.

Liara won't turn over to the darkside, she seriously has no reason to.

It's not so much that she's going to fall, it's more that we're fearful that the writers will make her fall, ala Bastilla from KotOR.

At least....that's how it is for me.

Titanmike357 wrote...

P.S
Anyone else noticed how let down Jack seemed when you turned her down after buttering her up?  Does anyone know if messing with jack "one time" and Kelly affects Liara in the Sb DLC?

Jack.....messing with her one time does affect Liara I think.  Kelly I think was stated already by someone else as a "fling" and Liara to mature to not realize this.

[glacier1701]

The only situation where Liara could potentially be a threat would be in those circumstances where Shepard is Paragon. Yet under those circumstances what comes into play to help avoid that is the fact that Liara has friends and a love interest (or potential one). She is also honest enough to realise that no matter what care does have to be taken and even then she is going to have to deal with morally ambigious situations in which there is no right answer. However because she has friends she does have sources of input that may help or serve to warn her when things are going wrong. Provided this help works for a few years a pattern of habit will be set that should serve when those friends are gone (mainly through death of old age). So I suspect that if anything the new Shadow Broker will tend to be more of a force of good influence on the galaxy rather than being 'neutral' as it has been for the last few decades.

[jlb524]

Thinking about the possible 'Bastila' thing happening to Liara, I still think it would be horribly contrived and unnecessary for them to do it. With Bastila, it made sense and it didn't come off as unneeded and tacked on just to add more drama to the story. The battle between the light and dark side is a strong theme in the Star Wars universe, plus it was also a big part of KOTOR. Bastila's turning to the dark side was natural, and it didn't come off as forced.



With Liara, I see no reason why they would have to do something like that. I feel ME3 will be full of enough drama that it would be unnecessary to tack this 'Liara goes evil' thing on.

[Merlin 47]

jlb524 wrote...

Thinking about the possible 'Bastila' thing happening to Liara, I still think it would be horribly contrived and unnecessary for them to do it. With Bastila, it made sense and it didn't come off as unneeded and tacked on just to add more drama to the story. The battle between the light and dark side is a strong theme in the Star Wars universe, plus it was also a big part of KOTOR. Bastila's turning to the dark side was natural, and it didn't come off as forced.

With Liara, I see no reason why they would have to do something like that. I feel ME3 will be full of enough drama that it would be unnecessary to tack this 'Liara goes evil' thing on.

I agree; I was merely trying to point out that it's not Liara hate that's being posted.  It's more that some people are fearful of how she might be portrayed.

[m00nsh1ne]

I never thought Liara being the Shadow Broker was a "good" thing. Instead it is a necessary thing. You need whatever information and help you can get to battle against the galaxy threatening reapers especially if you destroyed the Collector Base. I think during ME3 we'll see how Liara changes and gets twisted by the power she now has and a choice will need to be made. Whether that choice is let her be, killing her, destroying the base, or something else I don't know. But it definately won't end at the DLC with Liara.

[jlb524]

Merlin 47 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Thinking about the possible 'Bastila' thing happening to Liara, I still think it would be horribly contrived and unnecessary for them to do it. With Bastila, it made sense and it didn't come off as unneeded and tacked on just to add more drama to the story. The battle between the light and dark side is a strong theme in the Star Wars universe, plus it was also a big part of KOTOR. Bastila's turning to the dark side was natural, and it didn't come off as forced.

With Liara, I see no reason why they would have to do something like that. I feel ME3 will be full of enough drama that it would be unnecessary to tack this 'Liara goes evil' thing on.

I agree; I was merely trying to point out that it's not Liara hate that's being posted.  It's more that some people are fearful of how she might be portrayed.

No, I agree with that.  I wasn't directing that at anyone in particular, just thinking out loud.

[Merlin 47]

jlb524 wrote...

Merlin 47 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Thinking about the possible 'Bastila' thing happening to Liara, I still think it would be horribly contrived and unnecessary for them to do it. With Bastila, it made sense and it didn't come off as unneeded and tacked on just to add more drama to the story. The battle between the light and dark side is a strong theme in the Star Wars universe, plus it was also a big part of KOTOR. Bastila's turning to the dark side was natural, and it didn't come off as forced.

With Liara, I see no reason why they would have to do something like that. I feel ME3 will be full of enough drama that it would be unnecessary to tack this 'Liara goes evil' thing on.

I agree; I was merely trying to point out that it's not Liara hate that's being posted.  It's more that some people are fearful of how she might be portrayed.

No, I agree with that.  I wasn't directing that at anyone in particular, just thinking out loud.

Oh....okay then. 

No harm done.  I do agree with you though; I really don't see why they would write Liara as going "evil".  They might....but I wouldn't be too happy.