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[Sleepily]

 So there's this article IGN posted a while back that this thread reminded me of - about falling in love with video game characters. (or at least the idea of them) They specifically talk about Bioware and Mass Effect (Kaidan) etc.

link: xbox360.ign.com/articles/106/1068659p1.html

Modifié par Sleepily, 18 septembre 2010 - 10:12 .

[Raistlin Maj]

I wonder if Dragon age 2 will add Kama Sutra to the mix of relationship in the bedroom ??

[ninja0809]

Raistlin Maj wrote...

I wonder if Dragon age 2 will add Kama Sutra to the mix of relationship in the bedroom ??

one can only hope

[Wohden]

     The romances in DAO did seem to have more time and depth alloted to them, more backstory to the characters in general. A large reason may be the level of player-initiated-interaction in DAO was higher, giving gifts leading to  cutscenes and being able to initiate dialogues or even steal a kiss from the romance option once you made them yours, not just before the final battle in ME, made the DAO romances feel more complete and like you were working on fostering the romance rather than just at certain times making the right dialogue choice and being thrust together because of circumstance as the ME stories felt to me.
 
     Leliana's romance was simply amazing. Other than Leliana, I tried Morrigan and Ashley who I stayed loyal to in ME2, but that story is half-way done so it doesn't seem as good overall.  

     I can't recall any heartfelt moments from ME1 or ME2 that comes close to the scenes where Leliana is singing at the camp for my warden (at least in my mind it was only for him whether she does this for wardens not in love with or not ), or during the dialogue about how she loves being on watch with the warden spending all those hours chatting and can't help but fall asleep feeling so safe knowing he's always watching out for her. How she tells you stories about the lovers in the stars on another occasion or after the sex scene how she watches you sleep then you have a nice dialogue and have the option to go again, even though there is no cut-scene. I can see a concentrated effort by the DAO writers to use the romance plot at the camp to put the main story on hold and interject these sort of calm moments, where the blight didn't seem to matter for just a short while and the romance story shines that I did not notice in ME 1 or 2. 

     ME's sex scenes seems more like "The world is ending let's get it on before we all die" Which can not hold a candle to how you have to actually go through alot of getting to know Leliana, and then seems nervous to make the offer of sex and is shy about it, which was endearing considering her past, and you get to play coy, it felt much less forced than ME overall.

Modifié par Wohden, 19 septembre 2010 - 08:34 .

[Reika]

My other issue with the ME1 "romance" with Kaidan on the FemShepard is that no matter what choices you took, you always ended up in a romance with him. You couldn't develop just a friendship.



At least in DA you could be buddies with a guy without worrying about getting involved. Unless you're dealing with Leliana, she always seemed rather determined to get my HNF.

[Giggles_Manically]

Wohden wrote...

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I agree with this in DA it feels like the Warden actually is in a relationship and that while sex is a major point in it, it is not the end of it or the MOST important part in it. 

Mass Effect comes off like an action movie and felt artificial in that regard. 

The one thing that makes me like the companions in DA better though is that they actually can be friends with the warden in the long run, where in ME its "CALIBRATIONS!" if you don't romance them. It just feels shallower in ME really to me.

[ejoslin]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Wohden wrote...

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I agree with this in DA it feels like the Warden actually is in a relationship and that while sex is a major point in it, it is not the end of it or the MOST important part in it. 

Mass Effect comes off like an action movie and felt artificial in that regard. 

The one thing that makes me like the companions in DA better though is that they actually can be friends with the warden in the long run, where in ME its "CALIBRATIONS!" if you don't romance them. It just feels shallower in ME really to me.

I am hoping DA2 has the same feeling of depth in the relationships that DA:O has.  It's my main concern about the changes in the dialog.  You're right about the sex only being a part of the relationship -- it's important in different ways to all four of the love interests, but like a real relationship, it's not the only thing that is important.

[Giggles_Manically]

I am cautious about DA2 right now.



It could be amazing, or it could be ME2. Dont get me wrong ME2 is fun, and I do like some of its aspects. However overall it is very shallow and lacked any real depth.

[Reika]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I am cautious about DA2 right now.

It could be amazing, or it could be ME2. Dont get me wrong ME2 is fun, and I do like some of its aspects. However overall it is very shallow and lacked any real depth.

I've been thinking about that. I'm hoping that it'll have the personality that Shepard has in the ME games, but with NPCs that have the development of the ones in DAO.

IF it turns out into a fantasy version of ME2, I'm gonna cry.

[prizm123]

Dragon Age romances, well the ones that mattered, you really had to work for, i.e. Leliana, Morrigan, but in Mass Effect it was a bit easier i found. Especially in ME2, now as to which ones i liked the best, no contest, Leliana and Miranda, they actually evolved as a consequence of the romance, which i liked

[ashwind]

Visual

ME1 Female anatomy blows DA1 female anatomy into oblivion. Even 3 finger aliens looks more appealing than DA1's mutated female anatomy. Cant really get into the mood of romancing gorillas in DA1 - thank god for the mods.



Story

DA1 blows ME1 to oblivion. The gals in ME1 just throw themselves at Shepard - I feel so abused >.<"



Environment

In DA1, I actually feel like romancing the characters, in ME1... I just want to shoot more enemies... there is always a shortage of enemies Grrrrr. In ME, You dont really get to know your companions that well, you cannot stop and chat with them like you do in DA1 - maybe it is limited by the voice acting - maybe that is the reason I ... dont really care about them - I just need them to open locks.



Conclusion

IMO DA1 definitely has a better environment for romance. I too hope that DA2 will not be reduced to ME, ME is my favorite shooter. Commander Shepard is one of my all time favorite character (especially the renegade Shepard) but I already have ME... hope DA2 will not become ME with swords... otherwise we might as well just buy ME and Bioware might as well just make ME. After all, ME is really a marvelous game to say the least.

[Obadiah]

I thought the Ashley/Shep romance in ME1 was better than the romances in ME2 and DA:O. Perhaps it is because the futuristic setting of ME made the dialog and issues seem more contemporary, perhaps it is because Ashley seemed refreshingly normal compared to the romance-able characters in the other games. I didn't miss not being able to talk to the characters on missions in ME1 because you could talk to them plenty on the Normandy. It had the effect of making the missions that much more focused.

[ejoslin]

prizm123 wrote...

Dragon Age romances, well the ones that mattered, you really had to work for, i.e. Leliana, Morrigan, but in Mass Effect it was a bit easier i found. Especially in ME2, now as to which ones i liked the best, no contest, Leliana and Miranda, they actually evolved as a consequence of the romance, which i liked

The female love interests are not the only ones that matter...  There are a lot of people who also like the Alistair and Zevran romances.

You actually have to work for all four of them, in different ways. 

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 septembre 2010 - 06:21 .

[yangthecat]

DA wins for me. The romances develop more naturally and are much deeper. I've played DA over and again, first on Xbox and now on PC, because I love the stories and the character interactions, and, yes, the romances.

I played ME1 through just twice, once as a female and once as male. In ME2 I only carried over my male Shep. He got lucky because if Tali had been available in ME1, she would have been his choice. So it was convenient that in ME2, Liara was out of the way and Tali was available. I won't be too happy to end up 'reunited' with Liara in ME3 and have Tali gone if that's what's going to happen. I wasn't interested in any of the LIs available for a fem Shep so I never imported mine into ME2.

In general I don't find the ME stories as worthy of replay as DA, because there isn't much of a difference in the story or character (I never play pure Paragon or Renegade, so my Sheps end up largely the same character, choosing paragon or renegade options based on the situation at hand) and the romances aren't deep enough to make me want to replay the whole game just to experience a different LI.

[Giggles_Manically]

Well in ME1 the romances were actually pretty well done with some interesting content, and some depth. But in ME2 they arent at all, its short, shallow, and lame.



DA really beat the hell out of ME in regards to romance, and their depth.

[Reika]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Well in ME1 the romances were actually pretty well done with some interesting content, and some depth. But in ME2 they arent at all, its short, shallow, and lame.

DA really beat the hell out of ME in regards to romance, and their depth.

One of the things I liked with the DA romances was the fact that the NPCs were given initiative. Granted you had to say something to initiate the romance, but once you did and you started getting their approval, they would prompt conversations at different points. Which was rather nice, in the context of the game it didn't feel like a one sided relationship.

[Tigress M]

I prefer DA romances to ME and ME2, hands down.  They're much more in depth and non-linear in that you can talk about a variety of subjects with your LI in DA whereas in ME and ME2 the dialogs are set in stone.

Reika wrote...
One of the things I liked with the DA romances was the fact that the NPCs were given initiative. Granted you had to say something to initiate the romance...

Actually, the one thing I find most frustrating is that Alistair is the only one you really have to be blunt with to get him to romance you.  With Zev you can simply ask him what he's staring at, Lelianna approaches you, and even with Morrigan you can start down that road with a fairly ambiguous question about being lonely (vs having to ask Alistair if anyone's ever told him he's handsome.

[Giggles_Manically]

I romanced Leliana three times, and I still hear new lines in it.

ME lacks that.

[Reika]

Tigress M wrote...

Actually, the one thing I find most frustrating is that Alistair is the only one you really have to be blunt with to get him to romance you.  With Zev you can simply ask him what he's staring at, Lelianna approaches you, and even with Morrigan you can start down that road with a fairly ambiguous question about being lonely (vs having to ask Alistair if anyone's ever told him he's handsome.

And here I thought it was a part of his charm.

There's actually a few different options you can initiate the romance with Alistair, one of them is during the first time you take him to Redcliffe and he tells you about who his father really is. Then a few other times.

[ejoslin]

Tigress M wrote...

I prefer DA romances to ME and ME2, hands down.  They're much more in depth and non-linear in that you can talk about a variety of subjects with your LI in DA whereas in ME and ME2 the dialogs are set in stone.

Reika wrote...
One of the things I liked with the DA romances was the fact that the NPCs were given initiative. Granted you had to say something to initiate the romance...

Actually, the one thing I find most frustrating is that Alistair is the only one you really have to be blunt with to get him to romance you.  With Zev you can simply ask him what he's staring at, Lelianna approaches you, and even with Morrigan you can start down that road with a fairly ambiguous question about being lonely (vs having to ask Alistair if anyone's ever told him he's handsome.

Alistair has a lot of not-obvious romance starter lines, though.  And a few others that are responses to things he says.  Like when he calls you beautiful when you're not in a romance, you can respond that you'd like hearing it from him.  I mean, you always can start the romance with the "handsome" line but I think starting it through dialog is nicer.  He flirts, you flirt back, boom, you're getting a rose!

[AsheraII]

I think the characters in DA:O were done better and deeper. Though I really like Ashley from ME1 as well, of all romance options, her persona was probably written out best of the two series. Just, DA:O's gamemechanics allowed for more personalization with them.



For the steamy bits... The consort from ME1 wins hands down, followed by the DA:O companions (despite grandmothers' underwear, couldn't they have used a silk nighty instead?), which are closely followed by Miranda before the rest of the ME companions become noteworthy.

[Tigress M]

ejoslin wrote...
Alistair has a lot of not-obvious romance starter lines, though.  And a few others that are responses to things he says.  Like when he calls you beautiful when you're not in a romance, you can respond that you'd like hearing it from him.  I mean, you always can start the romance with the "handsome" line but I think starting it through dialog is nicer.  He flirts, you flirt back, boom, you're getting a rose!

How do you get him to tell you you're beautiful without being in a romance with him?  And how far up the approval chain is he by that point?  I hate having him finally kick in the romance factor after his approval rating is over 50 because then things seem to zip along too quickly (not to mention I've actually had him take me to bed before our first kiss because I bumped him up too soon).  

That all being said, one of the best moments in the romance with him (imho) is if you play hard to get during the first kiss dialog and tell him it's too soon to tell if you care about him.  I did that for the first time just a couple of playthroughs ago and his response blew me out of the water and made my day!  lol

[ejoslin]

Tigress M wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
Alistair has a lot of not-obvious romance starter lines, though.  And a few others that are responses to things he says.  Like when he calls you beautiful when you're not in a romance, you can respond that you'd like hearing it from him.  I mean, you always can start the romance with the "handsome" line but I think starting it through dialog is nicer.  He flirts, you flirt back, boom, you're getting a rose!

How do you get him to tell you you're beautiful without being in a romance with him?  And how far up the approval chain is he by that point?  I hate having him finally kick in the romance factor after his approval rating is over 50 because then things seem to zip along too quickly (not to mention I've actually had him take me to bed before our first kiss because I bumped him up too soon).  

That all being said, one of the best moments in the romance with him (imho) is if you play hard to get during the first kiss dialog and tell him it's too soon to tell if you care about him.  I did that for the first time just a couple of playthroughs ago and his response blew me out of the water and made my day!  lol

Alistair has to be 26+ to start the romance, but you have to be there in order to get quite a few of those conversations, so it's not an issue.  In the lamppost conversation, he'll say something about how the chantry teaches them to be gentlemen around beautiful women, "such as yourself."  It's a nice line, and you can respond appropriately.

[Greed1914]

I'd say that DA was better in developing romances since they seemed to take more. In ME1 Liara was talking about how she felt a connection, and we literally talked twice. I suppose it has more to do with the approval system where it's possible to say the wrong things to someone, whereas ME character go with what you want. I also preferred that sex wasn't reserved just for the end of the game in DA. I know in ME the whole standing a real chance of dying on the last mission was the final push for sex, but in reality, that could happen at any point as far as they know. I don't know, they both have slightly different approach that seems to work for them.

[AsheraII]

Greed1914 wrote...

I'd say that DA was better in developing romances since they seemed to take more. In ME1 Liara was talking about how she felt a connection, and we literally talked twice. I suppose it has more to do with the approval system where it's possible to say the wrong things to someone, whereas ME character go with what you want. I also preferred that sex wasn't reserved just for the end of the game in DA. I know in ME the whole standing a real chance of dying on the last mission was the final push for sex, but in reality, that could happen at any point as far as they know. I don't know, they both have slightly different approach that seems to work for them.

What I hated in ME1 about Liara was that while just trying to be on friendly terms, you'd end up with her, unless you gave a hard "no" at the cabin scene at the end. So somehow, her romance seemed to "override" other romance options.