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[PsyrenY]

"Fixed?" That's pretty whitewash you've got there. What other groups would you "fix" with those ethics?

[Xilizhra]

I don't think the geth mindset gives them the same vulnerability to side effects of this kind of thing that organic minds might. If I didn't have to worry about it, though, everyone whom I'd otherwise have to kill.

[Moiaussi]

Optimystic_X wrote...

General User wrote...

Living without freedom is an option, not the one I would choose, but it has proven surprisingly popular over the years…

It is in fact very poular. Trillions of organisms on this planet manage it every day.

It is not an option I believe the geth would be particularly enamored of, however.

Reasonable limits to freedom of action is not the same as your thought patterns being literally overwritten.

[General User]

Moiaussi wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

General User wrote...

Living without freedom is an option, not the one I would choose, but it has proven surprisingly popular over the years…

It is in fact very poular. Trillions of organisms on this planet manage it every day.

It is not an option I believe the geth would be particularly enamored of, however.

Reasonable limits to freedom of action is not the same as your thought patterns being literally overwritten.

Umm… define reasonable. Is not being allowed to worship the deity of your choice reasonable? What if that deity is a space monster, and the act of worship involves massacring peaceful settlements? 

[PsyrenY]

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't think the geth mindset gives
them the same vulnerability to side effects of this kind of thing that
organic minds might. If I didn't have to worry about it, though,
everyone whom I'd otherwise have to kill.

"Side effects" are missing the point. The act itself is bad enough, even if all the results of it are benign. Unless you believe the ends justify the means... in which case, why are you a Paragon?

Moiaussi wrote...

Reasonable limits to freedom of action is not the same as your thought patterns being literally overwritten.

Exactly.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 18 septembre 2010 - 06:03 .

[Xilizhra]

I do not personally believe that altering an individual's thought patterns to the extent that they'll no longer be hurting themselves and others is as bad as just killing them.

[crimzontearz]

so aside the original poster....who is actually sucking the fun out of ME2 and actually attempting this?

[Moiaussi]

General User wrote...

Reasonable limits to freedom of action is not the same as your thought patterns being literally overwritten.

Umm… define reasonable. Is not being allowed to worship the deity of your choice reasonable? What if that deity is a space monster, and the act of worship involves massacring peaceful settlements? 

Pardon, but in RL it is perfectly legal to worship a space monster that recommends massacre. The momment you actually follow that recommendation, you can be incarcerated and/or put to death, depending the region you are convicted in. You are still not prevented from having those beliefs, although psychatric treatment might be offered if you are considered legally insane.

If simply 'changing peoples minds' was legal, where would it stop?

Modifié par Moiaussi, 18 septembre 2010 - 07:36 .

[stewie1974]

Xilizhra wrote...

I do not personally believe that altering an individual's thought patterns to the extent that they'll no longer be hurting themselves and others is as bad as just killing them.

Isn't that just a new form of lobotomisation? Ya know Lobotimising people made them incapable of self harm and harming others.

Sure they were not killed.... but seriously.. bad mojo.

Modifié par stewie1974, 18 septembre 2010 - 11:05 .

[Xilizhra]

To clarify to both of you, I'm referring to changing the way peoples' minds work as an alternative to killing them. I wouldn't do it just because I disagreed with their philosophies, or because I think they might be dangerous. It'd be as restricted as killing is legally.

[General User]

Stopping the heretic geth from acting on their god’s orders is what blowing them up does, in a rather permanent fashion. While releasing the rewrite virus could be considered the AI equivalent of psychiatric treatment.
 

Legion describes the virus as rewriting the basic order runtimes of the heretics so they will agree with the judgments of the orthodox faction and rejoin it.

But there really isn’t an exact human equivalent

If a mentally ill person is made functional though pharmaceutical therapy, I would consider that brainwashing, but a  kind. Some brains need more washing than others I guess.
 
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[Xilizhra]

Precisely. The heretics have to be stopped. I'd rather that they keep living, while still being in a state where they're pleased about their position.