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[Dean_the_Young]

Moiaussi wrote...

The challenge is impossible. The game itself doesn't let you be 'lawful good.'

You are not given the option of arresting Miranda on murder charges regarding Wilson (even if he was a traitor and/or a murderer, civilians shooting unarmed suspects is generally considered illegal. It is also uncertain that he wasn't working for an ally).

You do not commandeer the Cerberus shuttle, fly it straight back to Alliance space, and hand it, Miranda, Jacob, and any other captured Cerberus operatives over to the authorities for trial, nor do you subject yourself to a proper council investigation as to what your status should be.

You don't even consider taking over the Lazarus base, a Cerberus operation with considerable valuable data. Presumably it has a communications room somewhere that could be used to contact the Alliance/council and get you picked up... or at least warn them of the operation.

You are, however, able to play as lawful good as possible, if not as much as you'd like.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 17 septembre 2010 - 04:05 .

[Xilizhra]

The Council does in fact treat other races equally, or at least doesn't have inequality built into its policies; all can gain a Council position if they meet the requirements, and the volus and hanar at least are building themselves up to the point where they can probably join it soon enough. This seems to differ from the Cerberus plan that would have humans dominating everything else forever.

Also, Dean, what's your verdict on the Tali thing? And would saving Morinth count as stopping a murder in progress, or what?

Modifié par Xilizhra, 17 septembre 2010 - 04:08 .

[Dean_the_Young]

MythicalKnight wrote...
And now, half your team will die because you were not able to buy the needed upgrades to keep them alive.  How Paragon is that????

Very.

Paragon has nothing innately perfect run about it, if you don't make various compromises about it.

You can always go to the dog fights for your money.

[Xilizhra]

All you need are three ship upgrades to keep your crew alive anyway. I don't think you need unrealistic amounts of money for that.

[Dean_the_Young]

Christmas Ape wrote...

At what point is the distinction between looting and salvage being made for this playthrough? Salvage is a recognized right of space travel.

Generally 'if you must kill it to get it', it's looting.

If it's tech Cerberus pays you to salvage, that's benefiting Cerberus.

Anything found on Pragia, for example, should be fair game. The facility is abandoned, the planet uncontrolled - it's salvage.

It's also blood-technology, just like the Collector Base. Soul of the species, remember?

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

All you need are three ship upgrades to keep your crew alive anyway. I don't think you need unrealistic amounts of money for that.

You'd give Cerberus the keys to know the blueprints for Reaper technology as powerful as the Thannix?

[Lemonwizard]

This playthrough is technically impossible since you're not allowed to go to Horizon unless you've recruited Jack.

[Xilizhra]

Not at all. I'm installing them into my own ship, which I'm definitely not giving back to Cerberus. Also, refer to my previous post.

[Lemonwizard]

Xilizhra wrote...

Not at all. I'm installing them into my own ship, which I'm definitely not giving back to Cerberus. Also, refer to my previous post.

You really think that none of the surveillance devices or dozens of cerberus crewmen are going to be able to get the schematics for stuff installed on their ship back to Cerberus?

[Xilizhra]

Shandepared wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Not at all. I'm installing them into my own ship, which I'm definitely not giving back to Cerberus. Also, refer to my previous post.

It's not your ship and it is filled with monitoring devices. If you installed the thanix then Cerberus has the tech now.

I thought that any data on tech was totally worthless unless you actually possess the hardware. Or do we not need the base?

[PsyrenY]

General User wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Why can't Sidonis be Paragon? Mine roleplayed it as going along with my friend (and tempering his more violent impulses) right up until we found him, and then restraining him from the killing blow.

Harkin also explicitly tells the Blue Suns to fire on you, making them fair game for the rest of that whole section.

A true paragon would never execute/injure someone who is at their mercy, even if they are constitutionally incapable of knowing when to shut up.

You mean when Garrus hits Harkin, right? Well he does that, not you.

[Dean_the_Young]

Lemonwizard wrote...

This playthrough is technically impossible since you're not allowed to go to Horizon unless you've recruited Jack.

No it isn't.

Mandetory recruitment missions are just that: mandetory. If you have to do something, you have to do it. If you don't, though...

Is this that hard to understand? Does it really need to be explicitly stated 'you can't do this unless the game makes you'? 

I though I had more faith in the human race than this.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 17 septembre 2010 - 04:28 .

[Xilizhra]

Yes, I know what a schematic is. I also know that Garrus is the only one who has the thing, and I think that Shepard can speak with the engineers later to keep them from spilling information, considering her amazing charisma. Mordin can assist with getting rid of any other monitoring devices that'd be in the way.

[PsyrenY]

Why is recruiting Jack impossible for a Paragon? The Blue Suns have no legitimate authority to imprison anyone; Certainly they have no authority to imprison Shepard.

Some of the assertions in this thread are completely ridiculous.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 17 septembre 2010 - 04:32 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

Yes, I know what a schematic is. I also know that Garrus is the only one who has the thing, and I think that Shepard can speak with the engineers later to keep them from spilling information, considering her amazing charisma. Mordin can assist with getting rid of any other monitoring devices that'd be in the way.

It's stored on the computers for when you want to put in the build order, and isn't going to be made by hand. What EDI has, TIM has, upto the Collector Base decision at the latest.

[Xilizhra]

Then don't install the cannon until EDI's blocks are removed; she'll no longer be under any obligation to send anything to TIM, I believe.

[Dean_the_Young]

She still follows the protocols inside her, and throughout the Collector Base mission is already sending him all the data she collects. She is unrestricted, but she still has how she does things, and she has no vendetta against TIM, no reason not to send him information.



Perhaps, at the decision, she might decide not to send him anything else. But before then, we know she does send him what she knows.

[Moiaussi]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

You are, however, able to play as lawful good as possible, if not as much as you'd like.

That is still saying "I am lawful good except where I am not." It is problematic....

[Xilizhra]

The reason can be that Shepard asks her not to for now, somewhere offscreen. Just as a temporary favor. It's believable, in my opinion.

[General User]

Optimystic_X wrote...

General User wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Why can't Sidonis be Paragon? Mine roleplayed it as going along with my friend (and tempering his more violent impulses) right up until we found him, and then restraining him from the killing blow.

Harkin also explicitly tells the Blue Suns to fire on you, making them fair game for the rest of that whole section.

A true paragon would never execute/injure someone who is at their mercy, even if they are constitutionally incapable of knowing when to shut up.

You mean when Garrus hits Harkin, right? Well he does that, not you.

I was referring more to the paragon interrupt where Shep stops Garrus from shooting Harkin. But you raise a good point.
 
An interesting question though, at what point does interrogation become torture? And where would a paragon of paragons draw the line?
 
I would argue that the tacit approval of a morally reprehensible act is morally akin to committing the act oneself. All the more so since Shepard is leading a military unit and is thus responsible for the conduct of those under his/her command. 
 
So what is the appropriate response on the part of a military commander (Shepard) who witnesses a soldier under his command (Garrus) get a little rough while on a mission? First of all is to stop the abuse before it goes too far, and second is to chastise the soldier in a manner appropriate to the circumstances. This is more-or-less what the paragon interrupt in that mission does.
 
Garrus being a bad@ss and Harkin, being a general scumbag who tried to kill him and his CO, some “friction” was bound to occur between the two. It would have been foolish not to expect it. A super paragon should have tried to interrogate Harkin w/o Garrus present.