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[Dean_the_Young]

That's an excellent point, General User. Most paragons don't let, say, the Illusive Man off the hook simply because it was his subordinates who did bad things.

[Xilizhra]

That's one hell of a loophole. Why not imagine that Shepard was given permission to loot people's homes too?

You could say that you ask a few people for extra money, certainly.



Also, it's an interesting idea with Harkin, but interrogating him without Garrus is impossible.

[Xilizhra]

Going along and making sure Garrus doesn't just murder him himself at some point. Simple.

[Xilizhra]

It's a waste of a good squadmate. Going along with him and redeeming him as much better results. In any case, my own Shepard likes Garrus a lot; not to the point of romancing him, but he was her best platonic friend and de facto second-in-command in ME1.

[stewie1974]

General User wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, yes. Samara's methods may be a touch brutal, but her motives are at least pure.

And her actions are legal, under asari law anyway.  Consensus achieved?

So what about muslim law?

It's ok to stone unfaithful women to death?.....

You'd stand for it because it's legal in those countries?...... ahhhhhhaaaa.

[CroGamer002]

Does letting that grandma having syndicate from ME1 removes my ultimate Paragon Shepard from this?

[Xilizhra]

Hey, all you're trying to do is find and interrogate Harkin. The Blue Suns on his payroll are choosing to try to kill you.

[Xilizhra]

You're also trying to apprehend Harkin. If C-Sec tried to do this without your help, they'd get plenty of their own people killed along with Blue Suns. This kills fewer people overall.

[redplague]

Clearly the most anal post that there has ever been on these forums.  If you follow the pure paragon path that the OP describes then there is no point in playing the game as most of the fun has been taken out of it.

[Dean_the_Young]

redplague wrote...

Clearly the most anal post that there has ever been on these forums.  If you follow the pure paragon path that the OP describes then there is no point in playing the game as most of the fun has been taken out of it.

Edit: Nevermind, Shand's is better.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 17 septembre 2010 - 05:48 .

[Xilizhra]

Shandepared wrote...

C-Sec could suround the area and order the Blue Suns to stand down.

Not a good idea, in all likelihood. There's no way they could actually act on the implied threat there, as the Blue Suns have total terrain advantage, and it'd give Harkin the chance to sneak away somewhere else. The Suns might even be able to fight their way out, considering their near-military discipline and training. It'd be a greater bloodbath.

Clearly the most anal post that there
has ever been on these forums.  If you follow the pure paragon path that
the OP describes then there is no point in playing the game as most of
the fun has been taken out of it.

Not quite. It's entirely doable, it just requires a bit of thought, and to be able to justify your choices.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 17 septembre 2010 - 05:53 .

[PsyrenY]

General User wrote...

Garrus being a bad@ss and Harkin, being a general scumbag who tried to kill him and his CO, some “friction” was bound to occur between the two. It would have been foolish not to expect it. A super paragon should have tried to interrogate Harkin w/o Garrus present.

I'm not opposed to that, but quite frankly the game doesn't let you. So I guess you can't be "super-paragon."

[Dean_the_Young]

Optimystic_X wrote...

General User wrote...

Garrus being a bad@ss and Harkin, being a general scumbag who tried to kill him and his CO, some “friction” was bound to occur between the two. It would have been foolish not to expect it. A super paragon should have tried to interrogate Harkin w/o Garrus present.

I'm not opposed to that, but quite frankly the game doesn't let you. So I guess you can't be "super-paragon."

You can be as 'Super Lawful-Good' Paragon as the game lets you.

[Xilizhra]

May I reiterate my question about your final decision about Tali, and what to do with Samara/Morinth?

[Dean_the_Young]

Tali's ruling, I believe, is open ended as to your interpretation of 'the law.' I, personally, believe that not coming out with the truth is a more unlawful/unparagon thing to do, but then the Paragon persuasion is pretty ****ing and good to go.



Samara is legal to the Asari culture. Whether you play a Lawful Paragon by the Council's laws, the Alliances laws, or apply legal relativism, I suppose, is up to you to justify as being both Lawful and Paragon-ish.

[PsyrenY]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

You can be as 'Super Lawful-Good' Paragon as the game lets you.

Given that your choices are:

1) Go with Garrus and temper his more violent tendencies, followed by convincing him to spare Sidonis' life, AND along the way plug a leak in C-Sec security;

2) Deny your friend and leave him to track down Sidonis on his own WITHOUT your temperance/supervision, assuming he even survives the SM in his distracted (disloyal) state;

I see (1) as being far more responsible and therefore the more paragon choice. You can do Garrus' loyalty just fine.

Furthermore, doing so makes Garrus himself more Paragon, just as you could steer him towards being more Paragon in ME1.

[General User]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

General User wrote...

Garrus being a bad@ss and Harkin, being a general scumbag who tried to kill him and his CO, some “friction” was bound to occur between the two. It would have been foolish not to expect it. A super paragon should have tried to interrogate Harkin w/o Garrus present.

I'm not opposed to that, but quite frankly the game doesn't let you. So I guess you can't be "super-paragon."

You can be as 'Super Lawful-Good' Paragon as the game lets you.

Consensus.

[PsyrenY]

General User wrote...

Consensus.

See my post above yours.

[khevan]

I love how this thread is turning into a Paragon vs Renegade: which is better.



I find it funnier that Renegades seem to be using this as proof that Renegade is better, when it proves no such thing. It proves that ultra Paragon is stupid, that's all. Ultra Renegade isn't much better. Being an ass to everyone you meet, killing everyone who looks at you wrong or says something you don't like, in any kind of realistic setting these would lower your life expectancy by quite a bit, especially in lawless areas like the Terminus Systems. Shepard simply has the whole plot armor thing going on.



I personally play Paragade, with quite a bit of Renegade to go with my fairly Paragon ways. I'm not opposed to Renegade on principle, but both extremes are dumb, and trying to say that "Ultra Paragon is stupid, therefore Renegade is better" is just fallacious and disingenuous.