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[Kavadas]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

I sense Cerberus Indoctrination. Jack's past is not known to us and I doubt TIMmy can be trusted if he simply says the facility went rogue, so is Miranda.

To be fair, in one of the security logs on Pragia the head researcher scientist guy expresses his fears of TIM's reaction/reprisal if he ever found out what was actually happening in the facility.

This is a pretty common theme throughout ME2 (it pops up a couple of times).  It's why I always scratch my head when people label TIM as simply evil. 

If he was so evil why do his agents fear him finding about what they're actually up to?  They clearly understand that TIM would be upset if he knew the full truth about their actions.  That doesn't sound like the reaction of an "evil" man to me.

Modifié par Kavadas, 17 septembre 2010 - 09:15 .

[Talogrungi]

I'm very much looking forward to ME3, and seeing how my choices in ME1/ME2 impact it.

Like many people, I'm unsure of what to expect given that every single squadmate in the series so far (with the exception of Liara) can die.

An obvious conclusion is that Liara will be integral to the plot in ME3. LotSB strengths this, but also lays the groundwork for the probability that Liara will not return as a squadmate as she is busy doing her part gathering intel in her role as an intergalactic spymistress.

What troubles me is how Bioware will deal with the other squadmates; the ones who can die.
The way I see it, there are basically three options:

1. Squadmates will not have major plot roles in ME3, but will be present in the game as, essentially, bonus content for players who brought them through the SM alive. Perhaps as Squadmates, or perhaps as minor encounters such as the Rachni or Parasini.

2. Squadmates will have major plot roles in ME3, but if dead in an import will be replaced with a never-seen-before new character with no emotional resonance to either Shepard or the player behind him/her. (See Wrex/Wreave)

3. A combination of the above. Bioware could create a default (pseudo) canon of SM survivors/casualties, put the survivors in major plot roles (replaced with new characters if dead in an import) and give the casualties optional cameos (if they survived the SM in an import).

One thing that sticks in the mind is that Shepard can't survive the SM without at least two squadmates; i.e. the ability to field the full 3-man team that has always been the cornerstone of the ME gameplay. This could point to the possibility that our Squadmates in ME3 will be limited to those who survived the SM in ME2 which could also mean that all our crew return as ME3 squadmates.

Could always be completely wrong, of course.

Modifié par Talogrungi, 17 septembre 2010 - 09:18 .

[Mister Mida]

Meh, I have the patience to wait. Not really worrying about it. We (or at least myself) got lots of good games coming for the upcoming twelve months.

[R-F]

I am super excited for ME3, have been for a long time. I am worried that certain characters won't show up and certain choices won't matter (kind of like choices in ME1 transferring over) but i'll love the game regardless.

[Shirosaki17]

I'm looking forward to the game, but I'm pretty pessimistic about the story. The more I think about it, the more I can't see how they can wrap up this story in a good way.

I really want to see Garrus, Liara, and Tali as squad mates in ME3, but not sure if it's going to happen.

I also am not sure how you're suppose to destroy a fleet of ships in a shooter game. On one hand I want to control fleets of ships and fight a war with ships against the reapers. On the other hand people probably don't want to play that game and just want a shooter. So what's going to happen?

You're going to look for more technology or find a weapon that a race built against the reapers to destroy them. Probably the race that the reapers are all modeled after or whatever race destroyed that reaper in ME2. The weapon will be equipped onto a fleet of ships or will have some sort of huge radius to destroy the reaper fleet in a battle. It's going to suck.

I didn't like the story in ME2. The council still in denial about reapers and not supporting you. Probably won't support you in ME3 because there is no proof in ME2 for the council to see. It really doesn't make any sense with all the witnesses in your squad and the fact that there is evidence to back up the story from ME1. It's just not concrete.

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 17 septembre 2010 - 09:39 .

[hamtyl07]

wikipedia said the game is suppose to come out 2011 but im taking no guesses on any month or day if they have it done i would hope the pull for Q1 of next year but if not i would be happy with a Q2 or Q3 release

[Annihilator27]

Shandepared wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Why's it going to suck?

Limited development time, limited budget, limited disc space.

I don't believe for instant that the story is going to branch out in any meaningful ways. I don't care what the devs say about having more freedom to write the story this time. What constrains the story and your effects on it isn't the complexity, it is the limited time and disc space the developers have to work with. That isn't going to be any different for ME3 than it was for ME2.

Sometimes I'm really sad that characters I really like were "wasted" in a game in which they weren't even important to the plot.

Limited dev time: Nah, They said they wanted the same time frame as ME2. So should be late 2011 early 2012
Limited budget: EA has that cleared lol. Swtor is EA's most expensive project. Im sure theyll help here
Limited disc space: Well blame it on the 360(Multi platform) lol. I have the 360 version. No gripes at all. Enough content for me.

[PsyrenY]

Xilizhra wrote...

There are no reparations demanded. All Jack wanted was for Miranda to say that Cerberus was wrong, just this once.

Cerberus was wrong for a lot of things, but ultimately they weren't responsible for what happened to Jack. And even if they were, it's not Miranda's fault anyway, so an apology from her is about as meaningful as Garrus apologizing for the First Contact War.

Xilizhra wrote...
Again, Shepard is the one holding Jack's leash, not Miranda. Miranda conceding wouldn't affect Shepard's ability to command.

That's the point. She's not supposed to NEED a "leash," and the sooner you get her out of that mentality the better the mission will be for it.

Miranda is your second-in-command. The time may come when you need Jack to follow HER orders on the fly, not yours. Say, if by some strange coincidence, you had to split the team up to achieve an objective somehow. Ah, who am I kidding, that'll never happen.

Xilizhra wrote...
I don't take sides, I Charm the fight away and keep both their loyalties.

So you agree that Jack's tantrum was wrong then?

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 17 septembre 2010 - 09:40 .

[Shirosaki17]

They do have a limited budget. 2 characters were cut from the game and released as DLC. They definitely have limited resources and a time frame in which to release a game. Otherwise, they wouldn't have released all that "free dlc" and we would have gotten a game with 12 squad members which was advertised.

[Annihilator27]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

They do have a limited budget. 2 characters were cut from the game and released as DLC. They definitely have limited resources and a time frame in which to release a game. Otherwise, they wouldn't have released all that "free dlc" and we would have gotten a game with 12 squad members which was advertised.

I said EA could help them out, Didnt say that BioWare didnt have limited resources.

[StarcloudSWG]

The Illusive Man lies. A lot. He might not have known the specifics of Jack's torture and how they were testing her biotic abilities, but he should have known. He oversees every project personally.



His track record of funding experiments and not giving a damn about the ethics of how they were conducted pretty much indicates the man is evil.



He salves his conscience, what remains of it, by lying to himself that he "didn't know what they were doing" and "as soon as I knew, I sent people to shut it down." Funny how he never "knows" until after something catastrophic happens.



The Illusive Man keeps his scientists hostage; Their projects are secret, so they can't publish papers to establish scientific credibility and build up a resume. They can't job-hop. He becomes their sole source of funding, their only job. Then he pushes them for results, and apparently he thinks that people only work best when they're pushed to the brink, the point that they break, emotionally, morally, and ethically.



On a side note, Dr. Archer is an idiot. He must have done research into autism. You can't live with an autistic person for twenty, thirty years and not do that. He must have known David reacts badly to loud noises, bright lights, and sensory stimulation. So it should have struck him that plugging him into a VI/Geth network was an incredibly bad idea.

[shinobi602]

ME3 is my most anticipated game, period.



So yea, I'm pretty much frothing at the mouth for it. The only other game that comes close to that level of excitement is Shenmue 3 (hopefully being made T_T)

[Shirosaki17]

annihilator27 wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

They do have a limited budget. 2 characters were cut from the game and released as DLC. They definitely have limited resources and a time frame in which to release a game. Otherwise, they wouldn't have released all that "free dlc" and we would have gotten a game with 12 squad members which was advertised.

I said EA could help them out, Didnt say that BioWare didnt have limited resources.

Reread your post. You said you're sure they will help them out, and that EA has their budget covered.

And my post isn't just about budget. They have limited resources, whether it's time, money, devs, or a combination of all 3, which is likely. I don't know who is funding the game. I thought EA was funding Bioware, and probably has a say in when they release their games. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. It doesn't matter. ME2 was still released with content cut and then released through DLC. This means they ran out of time and money to develop the game, which could happen to ME3. I'm very wary of game developers doing stuff like this in the future. 

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 17 septembre 2010 - 10:13 .

[Annihilator27]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

annihilator27 wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

They do have a limited budget. 2 characters were cut from the game and released as DLC. They definitely have limited resources and a time frame in which to release a game. Otherwise, they wouldn't have released all that "free dlc" and we would have gotten a game with 12 squad members which was advertised.

I said EA could help them out, Didnt say that BioWare didnt have limited resources.

Reread your post. You said you're sure they will help them out, and that EA has their budget covered.

And my post isn't just about budget. They have limited resources, whether it's time, money, devs, or a combination of all 3, which is likely. I don't know who is funding the game. I thought EA was funding Bioware, and probably has a say in when they release their games. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. It doesn't matter. ME2 was still released with content cut and then released through DLC. This means they ran out of time and money to develop the game, which could happen to ME3. I'm very wary of game developers doing stuff like this in the future. 

Ahh, I was on a different subject. My apologies, I misinterpreted your post.

[kingswing]

I just have to throw in my two cents and say that I have to agree that both Jack and Miranda handled the situation poorly but I also sided with Jack on this one.

Bearing in mind that she went through horrible torture and sick experiments that were all FUNDED by Cerberus, she was continuously hunted her whole adult life by Cerberus, and was treated like a slave by Cerberus "lets just buy her from a slave trader with delusions of grandeur".

Regardless if Cerberus knew exactly what happened in the facility they made it happened and ruined her life even after she left.

Miranda is the leader of Project Lazarus and the most senior Cerberus operative Jake can talk to, so yes she went to her to demand an apology and Miranda dodged the blame and said she was a mistake (I can see how people can interpret that many ways, but any interpretation has the implicit indication that what Jack is now is wrong...that is insulting)


...I am also concerned about ME3, the suicide mission was a bold take and kudos to bioware for doing something so Brave. But I don't see how any of the squad mates can be given a real intense focus if there are so many permutations of the ending of 2. Either they have to make one canon ending (like they did with metal gear one) or they have to make all squid mates just appear in cameos.

As of right now only people who can actually be given a real focus are Liara Joker EDI and either Kadien or Ashley.

Modifié par kingswing, 17 septembre 2010 - 10:22 .

[Homebound]

October couldnt be any farther away. :/



Their were leaks that Bioware would have big news in October. Im thinking its ME3

[TuringPoint]

They don't have to make all squad mates just appear in cameos. They've thoroughly established that they will not change the outcome of the suicide mission in any way. I don't understand why people want to believe they haven't said that.

Regardless, yes, I'm starting to get itchy for ME3.  On the other hand ME3 kind of spells the end of this storyline.

PS: I think the Illusive Man doesn't want anything bad to happen to anybody, although he often thinks it necessary, unnecessary if there isn't anything that can be made use of for all the trouble and pain.

Modifié par Alocormin, 17 septembre 2010 - 11:02 .

[GnusmasTHX]

I don't expect it any earlier than 2012.

[Moondoggie]

The way Bioware managed to bang out DA 2 a lot faster than expected i would not be surprised if ME 3 is announced when we least expect it.

[Meshakhad2]

I cannot wait at all. The DLC helps, and I'm doing endless playthroughs.



My hope is for a suitably epic battle against the Reapers, where all the allies I have accumulated over the series come to my aid.

[--Master of All--]

I guess that explains why I've been frothing at the mouth...

[shinobi602]

Moondoggie wrote...

The way Bioware managed to bang out DA 2 a lot faster than expected i would not be surprised if ME 3 is announced when we least expect it.

This. I expect it in Holiday 2011.

[crimzontearz]

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