The scientific community is abuzz today after the latest report from MIT exo-biologist Jordan Detweiler was filed last night from the Antilin System, where he's currently investigating a mysterious "ghost ship." Claiming a breakthrough, Detweiler writes, "What I've discovered is nothing short of astonishing: This so-called derelict ship isn't derelict at all. It appears that an alien race has downloaded its consciousness to a massive array of quantum computers onboard the vessel. It's my belief these aliens now reside entirely in a virtual world and have been there for at least 8,000 years." Detweiler estimates the population of the virtual world numbers close to one billion individuals. He explains: "The ship's AI is something of a caretaker to these people, or even a god depending on how you look at it. More importantly, the AI is now requesting our help. It says a power failure is imminent and threatens the entire virtual civilization."
The saga of the alien "ghost ship" has come to a surprising end. Earlier today, reports surfaced that the Citadel Council was prepared to rule against saving the ship, fearing its AI system was sophisticated enough to pose a "security threat of unknown dimensions." In response, chief scientist Jordan Detweiler inserted himself into the virtual alien world to warn its citizens of their civilization's imminent end. He returned one minute later -- apparently equal to half a year within the accelerated timeline of the alien world -- bringing a treaty offer from its inhabitants. At that point, details turn sketchy. One inside source claims the virtual aliens offered scientific advancements "far beyond anything we have" in return for assistance. A veil of secrecy was immediately erected, with Citadel intelligence agencies classifying the matter as top-secret. Rumors now have Jordan Detweiler embarking on a Council-sanctioned mission into the virtual world to make diplomatic contact.
The famed "virtual ghost ship" is back in the news today after a reported sighting of MIT exobiologist Jordan Detweiler. This follows weeks of rumors that Detweiler had embarked on a diplomatic mission into a virtual alien world that he discovered on the ship's supercomputer. It is now understood that Detweiler's body remained in a controlled coma while his consciousness explored the artificial civilization. However, multiple eyewitnesses on the Citadel claim to have seen Detweiler visiting the Presidium recently. A Council spokesperson would only say, "We do not comment on internal Citadel matters." This fueled speculation that Detweiler was indeed acting on behalf of the Council in his logins to the virtual world.
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Destroy Raiden wrote...
No. For once can we have some bad guys that are actually bad guys! The geth use to be that but now it 2 we have good and bad geth sorry there sometimes just plain evil in the world so no good reapers please!
Destroy Raiden wrote...
No. For once can we have some bad guys that are actually bad guys! The geth use to be that but now it 2 we have good and bad geth sorry there sometimes just plain evil in the world so no good reapers please!
Captain_Obvious_au wrote...
Are we all so sure a friendly Reaper doesn't already exist in the ME universe? I direct your attention to the Cerberus News:The scientific community is abuzz today after the latest report from MIT exo-biologist Jordan Detweiler was filed last night from the Antilin System, where he's currently investigating a mysterious "ghost ship." Claiming a breakthrough, Detweiler writes, "What I've discovered is nothing short of astonishing: This so-called derelict ship isn't derelict at all. It appears that an alien race has downloaded its consciousness to a massive array of quantum computers onboard the vessel. It's my belief these aliens now reside entirely in a virtual world and have been there for at least 8,000 years." Detweiler estimates the population of the virtual world numbers close to one billion individuals. He explains: "The ship's AI is something of a caretaker to these people, or even a god depending on how you look at it. More importantly, the AI is now requesting our help. It says a power failure is imminent and threatens the entire virtual civilization."
The saga of the alien "ghost ship" has come to a surprising end. Earlier today, reports surfaced that the Citadel Council was prepared to rule against saving the ship, fearing its AI system was sophisticated enough to pose a "security threat of unknown dimensions." In response, chief scientist Jordan Detweiler inserted himself into the virtual alien world to warn its citizens of their civilization's imminent end. He returned one minute later -- apparently equal to half a year within the accelerated timeline of the alien world -- bringing a treaty offer from its inhabitants. At that point, details turn sketchy. One inside source claims the virtual aliens offered scientific advancements "far beyond anything we have" in return for assistance. A veil of secrecy was immediately erected, with Citadel intelligence agencies classifying the matter as top-secret. Rumors now have Jordan Detweiler embarking on a Council-sanctioned mission into the virtual world to make diplomatic contact.
The famed "virtual ghost ship" is back in the news today after a reported sighting of MIT exobiologist Jordan Detweiler. This follows weeks of rumors that Detweiler had embarked on a diplomatic mission into a virtual alien world that he discovered on the ship's supercomputer. It is now understood that Detweiler's body remained in a controlled coma while his consciousness explored the artificial civilization. However, multiple eyewitnesses on the Citadel claim to have seen Detweiler visiting the Presidium recently. A Council spokesperson would only say, "We do not comment on internal Citadel matters." This fueled speculation that Detweiler was indeed acting on behalf of the Council in his logins to the virtual world.
MisterSurreal wrote...
That trope has been done, and I don't think it'd have a place in ME. The whole point is that the various species of the Galaxy need to work together against an invincible foe. If you throw Jimmy the Friendly Reaper into the mix to help out Shep and Co., it cheapens the efforts of Shepard and the galactic civilizations.
Shepard and Co. need to face the Reapers on their own to prove that non-Reaper life is capable of standing on their own legs. A Reaper helping them would just prove the Reaper's point.
PWENER wrote...
MisterSurreal wrote...
That trope has been done, and I don't think it'd have a place in ME. The whole point is that the various species of the Galaxy need to work together against an invincible foe. If you throw Jimmy the Friendly Reaper into the mix to help out Shep and Co., it cheapens the efforts of Shepard and the galactic civilizations.
Shepard and Co. need to face the Reapers on their own to prove that non-Reaper life is capable of standing on their own legs. A Reaper helping them would just prove the Reaper's point.
Who the hell cares about swaying the Reapers on believing that we're valuable (that was Saren's plan and look how it turned out). I only care about destroying them, not convincing them. If a Reapers wants to help, hell yeah I'll take it.
, and why not a reaper willing to help? They are part machine and organic, eventually one of them would feel that doing this for over a millenia would come to a realization that this "cycle" must stop. If you want baddies that will always remain baddies, go with the sith
HarradX wrote...
I don't think the good ol' human concept of good & evil applies to something like the reapers, they have an agenda as a species, that's all. What gives you the idea that it's bad? Shepard and company PERCEIVE it as bad because it's contrary to their interests (Saving The Galaxy and stuff). What would stop a "good/friendly/nice/reasonable" reaper from pursuing the Reaper agenda if he doesn't it qualify as bad in the first place?
PWENER wrote...
MisterSurreal wrote...
That trope has been done, and I don't think it'd have a place in ME. The whole point is that the various species of the Galaxy need to work together against an invincible foe. If you throw Jimmy the Friendly Reaper into the mix to help out Shep and Co., it cheapens the efforts of Shepard and the galactic civilizations.
Shepard and Co. need to face the Reapers on their own to prove that non-Reaper life is capable of standing on their own legs. A Reaper helping them would just prove the Reaper's point.
Who the hell cares about swaying the Reapers on believing that we're valuable (that was Saren's plan and look how it turned out). I only care about destroying them, not convincing them. If a Reapers wants to help, hell yeah I'll take it.
MisterSurreal wrote...
PWENER wrote...
MisterSurreal wrote...
That trope has been done, and I don't think it'd have a place in ME. The whole point is that the various species of the Galaxy need to work together against an invincible foe. If you throw Jimmy the Friendly Reaper into the mix to help out Shep and Co., it cheapens the efforts of Shepard and the galactic civilizations.
Shepard and Co. need to face the Reapers on their own to prove that non-Reaper life is capable of standing on their own legs. A Reaper helping them would just prove the Reaper's point.
Who the hell cares about swaying the Reapers on believing that we're valuable (that was Saren's plan and look how it turned out). I only care about destroying them, not convincing them. If a Reapers wants to help, hell yeah I'll take it.
I'm talking about the themes and value of the story. Whether or not you as Shep would accept their help is one thing. I just think it'd detract from the story. The galaxy doesn't need the equivalent of a benevolent god to oppose the evil godlike machines. It would just ruin the whole feel of the game.
"We're in an epic war against a near-invincible foe, but we're going to fight on anyway, just to assert our freedom! If we die, we die fighting!"
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Oh, we can have a god-machine on our side to even the odds? Ok, cool."
Makes the point of fighting on ring hollow doesn't it?
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HarradX wrote...
Why is that so important to you, if I may ask? Afaik, it has never been Bioware's intention to draw a clear black-white good vs evil picture.The geth in ME1 were just a tool manipulated by and for Saren, who in turn had become a tool for Sovereign/the Reapers. Neither of them were "evil", they just did what they thought was the right (or appropriate) thing to do. It's all a matter of perspective, actually.
PWENER wrote...
MisterSurreal wrote...
PWENER wrote...
MisterSurreal wrote...
That trope has been done, and I don't think it'd have a place in ME. The whole point is that the various species of the Galaxy need to work together against an invincible foe. If you throw Jimmy the Friendly Reaper into the mix to help out Shep and Co., it cheapens the efforts of Shepard and the galactic civilizations.
Shepard and Co. need to face the Reapers on their own to prove that non-Reaper life is capable of standing on their own legs. A Reaper helping them would just prove the Reaper's point.
Who the hell cares about swaying the Reapers on believing that we're valuable (that was Saren's plan and look how it turned out). I only care about destroying them, not convincing them. If a Reapers wants to help, hell yeah I'll take it.
I'm talking about the themes and value of the story. Whether or not you as Shep would accept their help is one thing. I just think it'd detract from the story. The galaxy doesn't need the equivalent of a benevolent god to oppose the evil godlike machines. It would just ruin the whole feel of the game.
"We're in an epic war against a near-invincible foe, but we're going to fight on anyway, just to assert our freedom! If we die, we die fighting!"
...
Oh, we can have a god-machine on our side to even the odds? Ok, cool."
Makes the point of fighting on ring hollow doesn't it?
This is Mass Effect not that piece of **** of God of War. Get with the program.
An unusual twist today in the case of MIT exobiologist Jordan Detweiler: acting on recent rumors that he was seen visiting the Citadel, Detweiler's daughter, Kyra, traveled to the galactic hub and demanded a meeting with him. Although she signed a confidentiality agreement, Ms. Detweiler claims she was repeatedly denied access. "They only let me see my dad after I raised hell about it," she said. "I can be prosecuted for speaking to the media, but I don't care. He's in danger. There's something wrong with him and the Council knows it." Council representatives continue to refuse comment on the matter.
Kyra Detweiler, daughter of famed MIT exobiologist Jordan Detweiler, has released a statement to GBC News alleging the Citadel Council is covering up her father's deteriorating medical condition. "He didn't even know who I was -- his own daughter! I got five minutes to speak with him before security whisked him away. Is he sick? Is he brain-damaged?" Council representatives declined to comment on the situation, fuelling speculation that Dr. Detweiler was profoundly changed by his visit to the virtual world inside a derelict spacecraft. "Silence is a terrible answer," wrote columnist Urla Dhen. "The public doesn't know much, but it knows that anything relating to AI or synthetic life is something to fear. Refusing to comment leads us all to assume the worst."”
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slavery? genocide?MACGRUBER7691 wrote...
HarradX wrote...
I don't think the good ol' human concept of good & evil applies to something like the reapers, they have an agenda as a species, that's all. What gives you the idea that it's bad? Shepard and company PERCEIVE it as bad because it's contrary to their interests (Saving The Galaxy and stuff). What would stop a "good/friendly/nice/reasonable" reaper from pursuing the Reaper agenda if he doesn't it qualify as bad in the first place?
I believe the reapers view humans as we view other lower species that are not as intelligent as us. We slaughter and kill cows, pigs, chickens mercilisly without any thoughts to thier feelings or pain(animals have them, yes they are primative but none the less they have them just like we do) They feed on the lower spiecies for thier benifit. Of course humans have vegetarians who are against specisim so it is not impossible to believe that the reapers may have members that are against the practice. This line of thinking of course has problems. Number one it probably isn't accurate to assume that they share our morales and number two they may be incapable of having such thoughts.
Perhaps the reapers are a means of keeping intelligent life in check, allowing them to exist for a period of time before they might run out of control and take over the galaxy, dominating the unintelligent species. The reapers may have a justifiable reason for doing what they do. If you think about they are no different then humans or other races in the mass effect universe. They take advantage of and dominate lower species for thier own means.
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