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[PDXGamerGirl]

The Angry One wrote...

I don't suppose there's a way to get Loghain over Alistair and still be ruler for a female?
I'll be sad if that utter jerkwit option is not available for girls.

Well, no, that's not an option as your character has no claim to the throne.  You can only get there as Alistair's queen (if female) or by marrying Anora (if Male) AFAIK.

[Nadijeh]

Oh sorry, Lethlar I didn't even think of that for some reason! So the ladies and the gays got the short end of the stick! 

Also, I was naturally more inclined to Alistair, because his personality reminds me of my fiance in some ways, thus making that dreadful decision was even more horrible to my mind considering in games like this I usually tend to make choices that I would see myself making in real life, I can't be so sure I would be able to make that one. On the point of Zevran, he isn't really my style. My character is a human noble trying to redeem her slaughtered family and secure her place back in society, so it wouldn't be very fitting for her to run off with an assasin that's into flings. I'm a sucker for love stories, this one was grand, and then the end decisions came which one way or another ruin it.

Modifié par Jesira, 13 novembre 2009 - 08:05 .

[The Angry One]

PDXGamerGirl wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I don't suppose there's a way to get Loghain over Alistair and still be ruler for a female?
I'll be sad if that utter jerkwit option is not available for girls.

Well, no, that's not an option as your character has no claim to the throne.  You can only get there as Alistair's queen (if female) or by marrying Anora (if Male) AFAIK.

I would think a Cousland would have a better claim to the throne than a commoner who got there through marriage in the first place. :happy:

[SwashbucklerXX]

Jesira wrote...

Oh sorry, Lethlar I didn't even think of that for some reason! So the ladies and the gays got the short end of the stick! 

Also, I was naturally more inclined to Alistair, because his personality reminds me of my fiance in some ways, thus making that dreadful decision was even more horrible to my mind considering in games like this I usually tend to make choices that I would see myself making in real life, I can't be so sure I would be able to make that one. On the point of Zevran, he isn't really my style. My character is a human noble trying to redeem her slaughtered family and secure her place back in society, so it wouldn't be very fitting for her to run off with an assasin that's into flings. I'm a sucker for love stories, this one was grand, and then the end decisions came which one way or another ruin it.

I played my character very similarly to yours, Jesira.  At first I really didn't like that there was no way to save yourself and Alistair from being killed besides making Morrigan's icky baby.  I said no to her the first time, and as soon as I saw what was starting to happen in the end I got super pissed off and rebooted my computer.  Yeah, this game did a really good job of getting me emotionally invested in the characters.

Luckily, I'd saved before the choice, so when my computer rebooted, I went back and said yes to Morrigan with a heavy sigh.  (Note: I don't think Alistair was smiling before the nookie scene... I think he looked scared!)  Looking back at it now, I think it was a great choice to have to make.  It's asking, "just WHAT would you do to save yourself and your lover from certain death?"  Here I had a character who always tried to make the good choices and the just choices, but she always knew that those choices would help inspire loyalty amongst the people and would help her ambitions of marrying Alistair and becoming queen (what better way to spite the Howes)?  At the end, though, her choice comes down to the nitty gritty.  What would she rather do?  Be virtuous or be queen?  Do the "right thing" or save the life of the man she loves?  My character wasn't as virtuous as she'd maybe like to convince herself that she was (after all, she *could* have thrown herself at that archdemon!), which I think adds a great dimension to the story.

Don't envy the straight dudes, they have to marry a rather treacherous woman if they want to be king, and they don't get to make nearly as interesting a decision.

[SwashbucklerXX]

The Angry One wrote...

PDXGamerGirl wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I don't suppose there's a way to get Loghain over Alistair and still be ruler for a female?
I'll be sad if that utter jerkwit option is not available for girls.

Well, no, that's not an option as your character has no claim to the throne.  You can only get there as Alistair's queen (if female) or by marrying Anora (if Male) AFAIK.

I would think a Cousland would have a better claim to the throne than a commoner who got there through marriage in the first place. :happy:

Yesss, I was rather disappointed that my family background didn't play more of a role in the Landsmeet.  Nobody even mentions it.  I mean, supposedly Loghain and Howe did something to discredit the Couslands (though we never learn what was done or said), but Daddy was very popular, and everyone in the room knows who you are.  Surely there are banns who would have things to say about the fact that your family was pretty darn close to the Crown, itself.

[Tamyn]

PatT2 wrote...

Now we need a guide for how NOT to be queen, and for how Alistair gets to do other things. What are those possibilities?

It's really easy to not be queen and keep Alistair. Just endorse Anora fully, tell Alistair you are endorsing Anora, and convince him to sleep with Morrigan. Then at the end he will stay with you if you return to the Grey Wardens. If you choose to do something else, Alistair will stay with you for awhile but will eventually go to Weisshaupt when he is needed.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

i did EVERYTHING i could, so alistair didnt want me because i was a MAGE? And thats it? I was doomed from start? :S

[Tamyn]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

i did EVERYTHING i could, so alistair didnt want me because i was a MAGE? And thats it? I was doomed from start? :S

That's why I didn't have him be king. I didn't want to lose him.

[Mary Kirby]

SwashbucklerXX wrote...


Yesss, I was rather disappointed that my family background didn't play more of a role in the Landsmeet.  Nobody even mentions it.  I mean, supposedly Loghain and Howe did something to discredit the Couslands (though we never learn what was done or said), but Daddy was very popular, and everyone in the room knows who you are.  Surely there are banns who would have things to say about the fact that your family was pretty darn close to the Crown, itself.

Talk to the nobles in the Gnawed Noble tavern.  All of them recognize you if you're noble. 

[Maria Caliban]

Tamyn wrote...

It's really easy to not be queen and keep Alistair. Just endorse Anora fully, tell Alistair you are endorsing Anora, and convince him to sleep with Morrigan. Then at the end he will stay with you if you return to the Grey Wardens. If you choose to do something else, Alistair will stay with you for awhile but will eventually go to Weisshaupt when he is needed.

Seriously. Any female can have Alistair. Any noble human female can have Alistair and the throne. It's not easy, but only Zevran is easy.

Tamyn wrote...

Jesira wrote...

I still hate the fact he has to sleep with the creepy girl <_<

And we have to watch! I was mad that he had a smile on his face in that scene. <_<

Eh. After hoping that Morrigan was the F/F romance for years, she showed no interest in my female PC, and then I got to watch her have sex with Loghain. Loghain! Ew.

But seriously, he’s never been with any woman but you, how could you resent him having at least one other sexual partner?

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 13 novembre 2009 - 09:21 .

[The Angry One]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Talk to the nobles in the Gnawed Noble tavern.  All of them recognize you if you're noble. 

More of a reason for you to have a claim to the throne without marriage!

[Mary Kirby]

The Angry One wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

Talk to the nobles in the Gnawed Noble tavern.  All of them recognize you if you're noble. 

More of a reason for you to have a claim to the throne without marriage!

The Couslands are no relation whatsoever to the royal family. If just being a noble gave you a claim, then every person in the Landsmeet would have been a contender for the throne.

[The Angry One]

Mary Kirby wrote...

The Couslands are no relation whatsoever to the royal family. If just being a noble gave you a claim, then every person in the Landsmeet would have been a contender for the throne.

Yes but in that sense, Anora has no real claim either. She's a commoner who became queen by a marriage to a dead man who left no heirs.
If Alistair buggers off or is killed, then Maric's bloodline is dead, gone, poof, finito. Yeah there's Eamon's family but with the Connor incident I suspect they'd be seen as a liability.
In that case, the other nobles may have a claim too.. but then YOU have a big ol' army behind you.

Just seems to me it should've been an option..

[Mary Kirby]

The Angry One wrote...


Yes but in that sense, Anora has no real claim either. She's a commoner who became queen by a marriage to a dead man who left no heirs.
If Alistair buggers off or is killed, then Maric's bloodline is dead, gone, poof, finito. Yeah there's Eamon's family but with the Connor incident I suspect they'd be seen as a liability.
In that case, the other nobles may have a claim too.. but then YOU have a big ol' army behind you.

Just seems to me it should've been an option..

Escalating the civil war wouldn't have led to getting a unified Ferelden army fighting the archdemon.  I guess we could have put that option in, and then you get "Game Over" as you and everyone else in Ferelden get eaten by darkspawn.  Next time, I guess.

[The Angry One]

Psh, I doubt it would've escalated..

You a Cousland + Loghain on side + army + Maric's line dead = nobles proclaim new queen! Yay!

[Tamyn]

Maria Caliban wrote...


But seriously, he’s never been with any woman but you, how could you resent him having at least one other sexual partner?

I didn't resent him. I thought it was strange that after he seemed so opposed to it in dialogue and was only going along with it reluctantly because he trusted my PC the animators gave him a smile in the cutscene like he was looking forward to it. I assume it's the same setup with a male PC and Morrigan. So while I can understand why a PC romancing Morrigan would be excited, it bugged me that Alistair seemed to be too in the cutscene. Although I suppose it could have been a nervous smile and Morrigan did promise that it wouldn't be unpleasant.

[Maria Caliban]

You could always sex up Alistair between the time you found he could be king and the Landsmeet, and then make sure he dies tragically years later after you've produced an heir.

The Angry One wrote...

Psh, I doubt it would've escalated..
You a Cousland + Loghain on side + army + Maric's line dead = nobles proclaim new queen! Yay!

If only wishing for things made them so.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 13 novembre 2009 - 09:39 .

[Tamyn]

The Angry One wrote...

Psh, I doubt it would've escalated..
You a Cousland + Loghain on side + army + Maric's line dead = nobles proclaim new queen! Yay!

Yay! Just like Julius Caesar!

Modifié par Tamyn, 13 novembre 2009 - 09:36 .

[Mary Kirby]

The Angry One wrote...

Psh, I doubt it would've escalated..
You a Cousland + Loghain on side + army + Maric's line dead = nobles proclaim new queen! Yay!

Loghain won't support you over his own daughter. 

And you don't have a personal army.  You have: Eamon's army (and he won't support you over someone with royal blood.)  Elves or werewolves(who agreed to fight the darkspawn and aren't going to get involved in fighting a human political war), Dwarves (who also won't help you fight a political war) and mages, who the Chantry won't let fight a political war.  So... what you've got is you and your followers, versus all the nobles and their armies, who are now each fighting for the crown.

I guess, if you don't kill her, maybe you could ask Flemmeth for help.  That could be good for a laugh.

[Wissenschaft]

Tamyn wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Psh, I doubt it would've escalated..
You a Cousland + Loghain on side + army + Maric's line dead = nobles proclaim new queen! Yay!

Yay! Just like Julius Caesar!

And we know how that ended. One very dead Julius Ceasar and some years latter the end of the republic.

[SonvarTheMighty]

Tamyn wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...


But seriously, he’s never been with any woman but you, how could you resent him having at least one other sexual partner?

I didn't resent him. I thought it was strange that after he seemed so opposed to it in dialogue and was only going along with it reluctantly because he trusted my PC the animators gave him a smile in the cutscene like he was looking forward to it. I assume it's the same setup with a male PC and Morrigan. So while I can understand why a PC romancing Morrigan would be excited, it bugged me that Alistair seemed to be too in the cutscene. Although I suppose it could have been a nervous smile and Morrigan did promise that it wouldn't be unpleasant.

I thought my PC looked frightened to be honest when I agreed to go with Morrigan's plan during the cutscene.    And I would assume Alistair would have done the same. 

[Tamyn]

SonvarTheMighty wrote...


I thought my PC looked frightened to be honest when I agreed to go with Morrigan's plan during the cutscene.    And I would assume Alistair would have done the same. 

Hmm. Maybe I need to rewatch that again. I really thought a saw a smile.

[PDXGamerGirl]

I see Alistair's reaction as more of a "grimace." : )



I used to be a hopeless romantic who believed in one guy. one girl, one love, forever and then I got a little more life experience and realized how absolutely rare that is anywhere in the world. So while I wasn't crazy that he had to bed Morrigan, I could live with it. It was ten times more important for my character to have whatever years she'd get with him than to lose him over an event that probably lasted 10 minutes.

[Taerda]

Mary Kirby wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Psh, I doubt it would've escalated..
You a Cousland + Loghain on side + army + Maric's line dead = nobles proclaim new queen! Yay!

Loghain won't support you over his own daughter. 

And you don't have a personal army.  You have: Eamon's army (and he won't support you over someone with royal blood.)  Elves or werewolves(who agreed to fight the darkspawn and aren't going to get involved in fighting a human political war), Dwarves (who also won't help you fight a political war) and mages, who the Chantry won't let fight a political war.  So... what you've got is you and your followers, versus all the nobles and their armies, who are now each fighting for the crown.

I guess, if you don't kill her, maybe you could ask Flemmeth for help.  That could be good for a laugh.

Alorna should have been executed at the same time as her father. In fact, I would have killed her after her betrayal during the escape.

Alorna has no Royal Blood, and is not Mother to a Prince of the blood, so Eamon would have most likely supported you - especially if you have saved his life, the life of his wife and of his son ... . The statements about the Dwarves, mages and Chantry are also not really on mark, since not only had they been "fighting political wars" within their own situations, but the factions supported by you won.

Once Alorna was dispossessed of her crown by Alistair - by sending her to the Tower ( too bad there were no Beef Eater Guards) - her claim as it had existed was done with.

I am sorely disapointed that Iwas not able to kill her as soon as she proved to be disloyal to Alistar the first time.

I understand the story plotline needing her, but she has the weakest claim to the crown of any of those that did at the end .. and If I was really there at the end of the story - I'd have demanded her life. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

You know, I have less problems with Morrigan's offer than I thought I would. (Though at first I was all eww...squicky.) If you've got a lot of approval with Morrigan, the impression I get from her dialogue is that she's really trying to help, in her weird Morrigan-ish way. She doesn't think you need to throw your life away for the Archdemon, and she's offering you a way out.



Besides, what she wants isn't the tainted Archdemon-spawn. What she wants is the spirit of the Old God, and I'm really quite ok with that. The Old Gods only become Archdemons after being tainted. The Tevinter Imperium worshipped them as powerful, benevolent beings. Who's to say that they were wrong? The Chantry? Can you really believe everything they say either? I might just be deluding myself, but Morrigan's not an evil person. I'm sure she's serving her own purposes here too, possibly using the child as a pawn in her power-play against Flemeth, but if you've taken the time to befriend her, she seems to genuinely care about your well-being. (Besides, it's not like she really wants to sleep with Alistair...she certainly isn't his biggest fan.)