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[Red Viking]

Out of curiousity: Does the requirement to become king/queen extend to dwarf nobles as well, or does the PC specifically have to be a human noble?

Modifié par Red Viking, 14 novembre 2009 - 05:34 .

[MBirkhofer]

Mary Kirby wrote...

The Angry One wrote...


Yes but in that sense, Anora has no real claim either. She's a commoner who became queen by a marriage to a dead man who left no heirs.
If Alistair buggers off or is killed, then Maric's bloodline is dead, gone, poof, finito. Yeah there's Eamon's family but with the Connor incident I suspect they'd be seen as a liability.
In that case, the other nobles may have a claim too.. but then YOU have a big ol' army behind you.

Just seems to me it should've been an option..

Escalating the civil war wouldn't have led to getting a unified Ferelden army fighting the archdemon.  I guess we could have put that option in, and then you get "Game Over" as you and everyone else in Ferelden get eaten by darkspawn.  Next time, I guess.

I would have liked to see some dialouge based "game overs".  
Letting a demon possess you as a mage for example, and become an abomination. 
Pick the wrong choice in the joining, and have Duncan kill you.

[Walina]

First, I am agaianst Morrigan ritual because in my opinion she is not necessary to the ritual, only a grey warden is need because of his tainted blood.

Second, I would prefer sacrifice myself rather having a scar in my heart about the cheating. sincerely, who won't be wounded in real life ? Who won't be hunted by it ? If you have a bit of common sense, you won't agree with it and desperatly seek another way. None can live without a scar in his heart about being cheated or have cheated on person they love the most.

Modifié par Walina, 16 novembre 2009 - 04:51 .

[vocalemuse]

Red Viking wrote...

Out of curiousity: Does the requirement to become king/queen extend to dwarf nobles as well, or does the PC specifically have to be a human noble?

Your character has to be a female human noble in order to marry Alistair and become queen, as far as I've read.

Modifié par vocalemuse, 15 novembre 2009 - 05:10 .

[Seraglio79]

SwashbucklerXX wrote...

I played my character very similarly to yours, Jesira.  At first I really didn't like that there was no way to save yourself and Alistair from being killed besides making Morrigan's icky baby.  I said no to her the first time, and as soon as I saw what was starting to happen in the end I got super pissed off and rebooted my computer.  Yeah, this game did a really good job of getting me emotionally invested in the characters.

I just did the same thing.  I refused Morrigan's offer, thinking that Alistair would be super pissed that I made him sleep with her.  Got to the final battle thinking Riordan would sacrifice himself and then watched him fall to his death.  WTF?!  I'm reloading to accept the offer.  Life without Alistair?  Unbearable.

Yes, I am also way too invested in these characters!!

[Vansen Elamber]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

You know, I have less problems with Morrigan's offer than I thought I would. (Though at first I was all eww...squicky.) If you've got a lot of approval with Morrigan, the impression I get from her dialogue is that she's really trying to help, in her weird Morrigan-ish way. She doesn't think you need to throw your life away for the Archdemon, and she's offering you a way out.

Besides, what she wants isn't the tainted Archdemon-spawn. What she wants is the spirit of the Old God, and I'm really quite ok with that. The Old Gods only become Archdemons after being tainted. The Tevinter Imperium worshipped them as powerful, benevolent beings. Who's to say that they were wrong? The Chantry? Can you really believe everything they say either? I might just be deluding myself, but Morrigan's not an evil person. I'm sure she's serving her own purposes here too, possibly using the child as a pawn in her power-play against Flemeth, but if you've taken the time to befriend her, she seems to genuinely care about your well-being. (Besides, it's not like she really wants to sleep with Alistair...she certainly isn't his biggest fan.)

Yes but wasn't this Old Gods spirit already tainted because it has been an Archdemon? My PC did go with the "way out" Morrigan offered, but I still wonder what the child will become in the next "episode" of Dragon Age.

[Walina]

Well, this guide as been confirmed by another one here : http://mycheats.1up...._age_origins/pc



Now the big moment arrives: Who will be crowned? Here are some of the options.

* Alistair rules alone: Basically the default.

* Alistair rules with Female Human Noble PC: If you have him interested in you, he'll go for it easily. If you toughened him up during his Personal Quest, it'll be even easier.

* Anora rules alone: If Alistair doesn't want the kingship, it'll go to her. Leave Loghain alive without changing him.

* Anora rules with Human Noble PC: Let Loghain live, or have Alistair kill him in your place.

* Alistair rules with Anora: If you let Loghain live, Alistair will only keep the throne if he has changed, at which point it's easier to get him to marry Anora. Otherwise, you'll have to kill Loghain yourself. You'll also need a decent Persuasion rating to talk Alistair into going through with it.



OH DAMN IT, I AM A MAGE >_<

DAMN I AM AGAINST CHEATING!

[Agni108]

You girls totally crack me up. I am having more fun reading this thread than playing the game.

Gotta hand it to Bioware, they have succeeded in developing a very emotionally involving game.

[Kyrellic]

Technically speaking, though, your Human Noble PC is already (theoretically) second only to the Crown in power, given that you should be Teyrn(a) after the confirmed death of your father and mother, and presumed death of your brother.

That is, of course, unless the title is not truly hereditary in Ferelden.

[Isaantia]

I made a youtube playlist of videos related to the Alistair/Human Noble Romance. I'm still working on it - I have so much video to go through, but the big events are there.

[Lerolain]

Prior to the landsmeet - speak to Anora & Alistair

I took a bit of a different tack here.

I did a bit of politics of my own

I spoke to Anora and told her that she had my support in the landsmeet.  Doing this and various tasks for the other teyrns allowed me to skip the battle with Loghain and his men.

I then had Alistair kill Loghain.

When asked for my opinion, I metaphorically stabbed Anora in the back and said Alistair and I would rule together. He was a bit surprised but he went for it.
I did everything else as you said in your helpful guide.
I wasn't too pleased with the 'sleeping with Morrigan' business, but sacrifices had to be made.  I reckon my character went and downed ten pints of Oghren's special brew to deal with it.

[Lycid]

Is there a counterpart to become King by marrying Anora?

[Red Viking]

Lycid wrote...

Is there a counterpart to become King by marrying Anora?

Yep.  You have to be a Human Noble, support her for the throne, have high persuasion to convince her to marry you and either spare Loghain or have Alistair execute him.  She's not going to marry the guy who just killed her father, after all.

Modifié par Red Viking, 16 novembre 2009 - 10:49 .

[Ariella]

Kyrellic wrote...

Technically speaking, though, your Human Noble PC is already (theoretically) second only to the Crown in power, given that you should be Teyrn(a) after the confirmed death of your father and mother, and presumed death of your brother.
That is, of course, unless the title is not truly hereditary in Ferelden.

Hell, I'm surprised that rule could fall to a queen who produced no heirs of the blood, period. Administrative ability, and the fact Anora ruled "behind the throne" would mean absolutely nothing. In fact, that the couple had been married for five years and not produced an heir of any type should have had the nobles of Fereldan clamoring for Cailan to either put her aside for a new wife or at least take a mistress to produce an heir to the throne. As much as it sucks, and even Alistair points this out if you're a noble female but don't push that there NEEDS to be production of a royal heir. That's the first duty of a queen, and Anora failed miserably.

And while this sounds horrible and completely unfeminist, consider the fact that A) women die in childbirth even today with modern medicine. In a place like Fereldan, even with magic, it's possible to loose a wife to child birth children have the potential to die young in a setting like this even with said healing magic C) among noblity Blood is always the most important determinant of lineage. If Anora had been say a third cousin to the Theirin line, then I could see some kind of accomidation being reached, but she's the first enobled generation of her line. The nobility should be up in arms over that, no matter how popular a queen she is or how popular her father is.

[Never]

Ariella wrote...

Kyrellic wrote...

Technically speaking, though, your Human Noble PC is already (theoretically) second only to the Crown in power, given that you should be Teyrn(a) after the confirmed death of your father and mother, and presumed death of your brother.
That is, of course, unless the title is not truly hereditary in Ferelden.

Hell, I'm surprised that rule could fall to a queen who produced no heirs of the blood, period. Administrative ability, and the fact Anora ruled "behind the throne" would mean absolutely nothing. In fact, that the couple had been married for five years and not produced an heir of any type should have had the nobles of Fereldan clamoring for Cailan to either put her aside for a new wife or at least take a mistress to produce an heir to the throne. As much as it sucks, and even Alistair points this out if you're a noble female but don't push that there NEEDS to be production of a royal heir. That's the first duty of a queen, and Anora failed miserably.

And while this sounds horrible and completely unfeminist, consider the fact that A) women die in childbirth even today with modern medicine. In a place like Fereldan, even with magic, it's possible to loose a wife to child birth children have the potential to die young in a setting like this even with said healing magic C) among noblity Blood is always the most important determinant of lineage. If Anora had been say a third cousin to the Theirin line, then I could see some kind of accomidation being reached, but she's the first enobled generation of her line. The nobility should be up in arms over that, no matter how popular a queen she is or how popular her father is.

I had thought about both of these towards the end of the game.  It was almost awkward to be the one to nominate myself to rule with Alistair.  There were so many options to mention that Anora should marry him, but it seems like the Cousland daughter would be more logical (especially since, as Kyrellic said, Anora failed to produce any heirs in the past 5 years).

[Dragoness75]

The guide seems to imply that all you have to be is a human, which led me to believe that a mage could do it too. Is that right?

[Malkut]

No. You need to have the human noble background in order to be king/queen. Commoners need not apply.

[Mikka-chan]

I keep hearing hints here and there that you can let Loghain live and have Alistair not run off in a huff- and maybe even marry Anora, to boot. Has anyone actually gotten that to work? I understand you need to 'harden him' after he meets his sister... is that enough? Is it really possible?

[Polyhymnia]

I believe to have Loghain in your party, there is no way to keep Alistair even if he is hardened.

[Walina]

That will be nice to let Loghain die instead of you or Alistair *smirk*

Since he will die in the end, I don't care about being a hero.

[krystalevenstar]

I romanced Alistair the whole game, didn't harden him with his sister, let him personally kill Loghain, then at the Landsmeet I chose "Alistair will be rule as King and I will rule at his side" or something along those lines. (Edit: Also I let Morrigan sleep with him... did they really have to show her doing it though? <_<) Then at the end during the wrap-up text it talked about our Wedding and the king touring the country side with his new bride and referred to me as Princess-consort. Aren't I technically Queen since I married Alistair now, even though Anora is still alive?

Modifié par krystalevenstar, 17 novembre 2009 - 02:33 .

[tkaz85]

Played as a male noble, and I didn't even THINK about becoming king myself until I started browsing the forums again after finishing the game (finally).  My character wouldn't have been interested anyway, as by this point he was a) head over heels for Leliana fully committed against the darkspawn with Howe dead  and c) reconciled to the fact that the Couslands were gone (the revelation of Fergus being alive at the end surprised me)

I didn't really have a problem with Morrigan's request, as I figured it was a one-nighter designed to keep me alive so that I could be with my redhead   I was a bit surprised that Leliana didn't say anything, as I thought there would be some kind of romantic "last night" scene or something.  I was also a bit dismayed to discover that I couldn't tell Leliana about what I would have to do.  I think that conversation would have been a very powerful one.

I also should have let Anora execute Alastair to get my Blood Dragon armor back

*runs*

[Sunfire00]

Is there actually a difference if you ask Alistair to sleep with him (at adore, before 100%) or if he asks you? I didn't pay attention to it and I would hate to waste all the time played already. It's my second time through the game, so I took less saves than before...

[OniDaimyo]

How the hell do you "harden" someone? What the heck is that?



Also to the person crying about Morrigan sleeping with your man to keep him alive. Your awfully selfish. So you'd rather DIE or have him DIE because you cant handle him sleeping with someone once and never seeing them ever again to save YOU and HIM? Ugh.

[Jacks-Up]

Red Viking wrote...

Is it wrong that I laughed when I read "If you want to be Queen, put out" ?

Is it wrong that I laughed at what you just put?  Good show