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[Nadijeh]

krystalevenstar wrote...

I romanced Alistair the whole game, didn't harden him with his sister, let him personally kill Loghain, then at the Landsmeet I chose "Alistair will be rule as King and I will rule at his side" or something along those lines. (Edit: Also I let Morrigan sleep with him... did they really have to show her doing it though? <_<) Then at the end during the wrap-up text it talked about our Wedding and the king touring the country side with his new bride and referred to me as Princess-consort. Aren't I technically Queen since I married Alistair now, even though Anora is still alive?

I question this, too. I deleted my final save so I can play through the whole before, during and after landsmeet again, but in the wrap up text it said I was Princess-Consort to Alistair, and not Queen. Even though during the game they recognized me as their new Queen, and Alistair proclaimed me as the new Queen. It may be an error that BioWare would need to fix, or it might just call you Princess-Consort in reference to before you marry Alistair, and leave you to assume you take the Throne afterwords. But what threw me off is they still called Anora "Queen Anora", so I don't know.

[Malkut]

OniDaimyo wrote...

How the hell do you "harden" someone? What the heck is that?

Convincing Alistair to be more butch.  Which everyone should do, actually.

[OdinTGE]

I've gathered you can harden Alistair and Leliana. Is there some Bing! sound or achievement or something if you do it? I'm aware of how/when to do both but I'm wondering how it seems to be such a light-switch moment people are aware of.

[Aseya]

I missed the hardening completely, just didnt cross my mind to rub it in his face cus sure as hell would never say that in irl situation to one of my friends.



Does he change his attutide afterwards or what is the main difference?

[ZGold]

Isaantia wrote...

I made a youtube playlist of videos related to the Alistair/Human Noble Romance. I'm still working on it - I have so much video to go through, but the big events are there.

Oh god...I about died laughing at the video with the Isabela/Alistair/PC threesome; I automatically went the 'what game?' --> 'play game' route, never even crossed my mind to go the 'get to know you better' route, something I'm definitely going to rectify on another playthrough!

[droolingtiger]

Red Viking wrote...

Is it wrong that I laughed when I read "If you want to be Queen, put out" ?

Naw....I laughed myself hehe.

[Dark83]

I've got a semi-related question - is it possible to become King? (For male human nobles only, I presume.)

[Joie de Combat]

Yes, by marrying Anora, though I'm not sure what you have to do to accomplish that.

[Gold Dragon]

It was back about a page or 2 for being king.

[Dark83]

Ah, the details were scattered. What I actually really wanted to know was Leilana's response to the male noble becoming King.

[PatT2]

Just a mention about royalty and real life. The Queen of England's current husband is not a King. Ever notice that? There's a reason.... the same reason your character can only ever be Princess Consort. Because you're not blood, you married into the job. Your children would be rightful heirs. But the husband of the Queen, even today, is well, not king. And he was no commoner.



But then, this is a fantasy, right? The way the royalty is designed seems fashioned after England's (which makes sense in this game, no?)



So it's no bug that needs fixing. You cannot become "queen" if you are not royal, even if you are nobility. That's why Loghain is never king, but regent.



However, that makes me wonder about Anora's rightful title? Is it for the King to give? I don't know...I'm not completely familiar with the way royal lines of succession go. Except that the Prince who is the husband of the current Queen of England is not King. If someone from Britian can explain?



Personally, I think royalty, nobility, etc., is nothing more than another caste system. So if the PC is against the caste system, how do they explain wanting anything to do with royalty? Isn't that a double-standard? Reminds me of the Elven storyteller who said to the PC, so, you disagree with the treatment of the elves, but you did nothing to change it. That makes you better how?



Those kinds of lingering moral dirtyness always get me. I still don't have the answer.

[sylkwyrm1]

i thought the queens husband is called a prince because kings outrank queens and she is the one who owns the throne, so he is the next highest male "rank".



but a woman who marries a king becomes a queen. all of henry the eighths wives were crowned queens and not princesses for example, and at least one of them started as a servant iirc (though anyone married to regal blood has the usually silent "consort" after thier title making prince philip prince-consort and those unfortunate six women queen-consorts technically) and anora as a queen-consort has no power whatsoever if her position is not cemented by being a "queen mother" that is a mother to an heir of the blood, and even then her child is the king/queen whose affairs would be handled by a regent, in this case that would most likely be anora herself if not loghain until the child comes of age.

at least thats how it is and was here in modern times and in olden days, though before Elizabeth the first it was more common place for the husband of a regal wife to actually become king(-consort) simply because woman were not accepted to rule, but thats another story and seems to have no baring on ferelden stances

[Shannara13]

Jakia wrote...

he will break up with you unless you are a Noblewoman, because the council will not accept a peasant as their Queen. 

I don't really understand this. I may not be remembering correctly but I could have sworn the game said that Logain was a commoner.

[sylkwyrm1]

yeah he was, loghain was promoted to tyrn, a noble title,by maric after they faught off the orlasians and maric was officially crowned, it was his first official act as king iirc, his guard tells you about it in ostagar, most believe without him ferelden would still by occupied by orlais

[krystalevenstar]

I can see and understand where you're coming from PatT2, but that does lead to more questioning about how Anora would have ended up with the Queen title herself? Since she 'married into the role' like you said. It seems if that were the case then as soon as my character married Alistair, Anora would lose her title and claim to the throne and I would become Queen. Especially since she didn't produce any heirs with Cailan and with Loghain gone her only real 'claim' to the throne is that she'd been there for a while. Very interesting... In the meantime in my after-game text, it said that Alistair had gone off to Weisshaupt fortress for a while and "promised to return soon to his love". So I guess it means he left me in charge of Denerim.

[Tielis]

Just a quick question, but why wouldn't the dwarven princess be able to become queen? Is it just a racial thing? I haven't played through that origin yet, but aren't the Aeducans still considered a royal line?

[Shannara13]

sylkwyrm1 wrote...

yeah he was, loghain was promoted to tyrn, a noble title,by maric after they faught off the orlasians and maric was officially crowned, it was his first official act as king iirc, his guard tells you about it in ostagar, most believe without him ferelden would still by occupied by orlais

Well since you are a hero too, I don't see why Alistar could just promote you to a noble then marry you.

[krystalevenstar]

If I understand correctly, the only way your PC can become Queen is if she's of a human noble origin. It probably is just a racial thing in the context of the games. For instance there's not an option for a human noble to take the throne of Orzammar either.

[PatT2]

And, for all my confusion, whatever it is in this story is separate from fact by the very "fantasy" that it is. Sylkwrm1's answer helped me a bit to understand the real throne, but who knows...this is a game.



Ali won't put a mage or an elf on the throne, from what I recall.

[sylkwyrm1]

Shannara13 wrote...

sylkwyrm1 wrote...

yeah he was, loghain was promoted to tyrn, a noble title,by maric after they faught off the orlasians and maric was officially crowned, it was his first official act as king iirc, his guard tells you about it in ostagar, most believe without him ferelden would still by occupied by orlais

Well since you are a hero too, I don't see why Alistar could just promote you to a noble then marry you.

thats.. a very good point. *shrugs* maybe for human mage origin, elves and dwarves still not sure about the race thing, but the matter of human station could conceivably be resolved in such a way

EDIT: though now i think about it, "magic was made to serve man never to rule over him"
          that maybe where the issue against royal mages comes in, tevinter was ruled by mages after all

Modifié par sylkwyrm1, 19 novembre 2009 - 05:16 .

[Malkut]

Mages cannot even hold a noble title in Ferelden, let alone a royal one.

[sylkwyrm1]

heh yeah i just edited after considering that, missed your reply

[Malkut]

The only way to play a mage and become royalty is to cheat with the console. It is doable, though..

[Taritu]

SwashbucklerXX wrote...

Jesira wrote...

Oh sorry, Lethlar I didn't even think of that for some reason! So the ladies and the gays got the short end of the stick! 

Also, I was naturally more inclined to Alistair, because his personality reminds me of my fiance in some ways, thus making that dreadful decision was even more horrible to my mind considering in games like this I usually tend to make choices that I would see myself making in real life, I can't be so sure I would be able to make that one. On the point of Zevran, he isn't really my style. My character is a human noble trying to redeem her slaughtered family and secure her place back in society, so it wouldn't be very fitting for her to run off with an assasin that's into flings. I'm a sucker for love stories, this one was grand, and then the end decisions came which one way or another ruin it.

I played my character very similarly to yours, Jesira.  At first I really didn't like that there was no way to save yourself and Alistair from being killed besides making Morrigan's icky baby.  I said no to her the first time, and as soon as I saw what was starting to happen in the end I got super pissed off and rebooted my computer.  Yeah, this game did a really good job of getting me emotionally invested in the characters.

Luckily, I'd saved before the choice, so when my computer rebooted, I went back and said yes to Morrigan with a heavy sigh.  (Note: I don't think Alistair was smiling before the nookie scene... I think he looked scared!)  Looking back at it now, I think it was a great choice to have to make.  It's asking, "just WHAT would you do to save yourself and your lover from certain death?"  Here I had a character who always tried to make the good choices and the just choices, but she always knew that those choices would help inspire loyalty amongst the people and would help her ambitions of marrying Alistair and becoming queen (what better way to spite the Howes)?  At the end, though, her choice comes down to the nitty gritty.  What would she rather do?  Be virtuous or be queen?  Do the "right thing" or save the life of the man she loves?  My character wasn't as virtuous as she'd maybe like to convince herself that she was (after all, she *could* have thrown herself at that archdemon!), which I think adds a great dimension to the story.

Don't envy the straight dudes, they have to marry a rather treacherous woman if they want to be king, and they don't get to make nearly as interesting a decision.

I just died.  Of course, I was romancing Leiliana.  Felt real bad about that, but no way was I giving Morrigan a God to raise.

Planning on doing a male noble run and marrying Anora, though.  Sure, she's conniving and untrustworthy, but since I'm planning on romancing Morrigan, I won't notice any change.