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[sylkwyrm1]

heh i got ultimate sacrifice too, felt really bad for zev, he returned to the crows and killed anyone who opposed him until he became thier leader but he never again took a lover, brought a tear to my eye to think as he says all he knew was death and pleasure and i took the pleasure from him, shoulda killed him when we first met, poor bastard.

Modifié par sylkwyrm1, 19 novembre 2009 - 05:29 .

[Taritu]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

You know, I have less problems with Morrigan's offer than I thought I would. (Though at first I was all eww...squicky.) If you've got a lot of approval with Morrigan, the impression I get from her dialogue is that she's really trying to help, in her weird Morrigan-ish way. She doesn't think you need to throw your life away for the Archdemon, and she's offering you a way out.

Besides, what she wants isn't the tainted Archdemon-spawn. What she wants is the spirit of the Old God, and I'm really quite ok with that. The Old Gods only become Archdemons after being tainted. The Tevinter Imperium worshipped them as powerful, benevolent beings. Who's to say that they were wrong? The Chantry? Can you really believe everything they say either? I might just be deluding myself, but Morrigan's not an evil person. I'm sure she's serving her own purposes here too, possibly using the child as a pawn in her power-play against Flemeth, but if you've taken the time to befriend her, she seems to genuinely care about your well-being. (Besides, it's not like she really wants to sleep with Alistair...she certainly isn't his biggest fan.)

I just don't trust what she says.  Not only might she not be her, she isn't exactly trustworthy in the first place.

[sylkwyrm1]

i honestly did believe that she did not want my character to die, but i didn't for a moment believe that was her only motivation, and even if it was.. the fact it was part of flemeths plan from the beginning led me to believe nothing good could come of it regardless of morrigans motivations

Edit: oops guess this thread is hurtling off topic *leaves*

Modifié par sylkwyrm1, 19 novembre 2009 - 05:33 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Oh, no, I'm sure Morrigan has her own motivations, probably having to do with Flemeth. I'm just saying that whatever her other reasons for raising the God, she honestly does not want your PC to die, either out of friendship or love or the fear that, Maker forbid, that adorable idiot Alistair might be the one who comes out alive when you didn't XD All I'm saying is that I don't think Morrigan's out to screw you over, whatever the other consequences may be.



And since I'm playing a mage, I'm curious--how exactly does one cheat to become queen if one isn't a human noble?

[Malkut]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

And since I'm playing a mage, I'm curious--how exactly does one cheat to become queen if one isn't a human noble?

You don't.  You make a human noble into a mage: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/47/index/208430

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ah. Poop. I even saw that thread, and was too sleep-deprived to put two and two together Props, btw, for finding that out. Now I can make a Dalish apostate mage and cackle at the templars XD

[Vormaerin]

While its true in the real world that Anora would have little to no chance of ruling as a widow, its also true that nowhere in Europe would Alistair have a claim on the throne either (except in pre English conquest Wales, but then Ferelden would have been split between Maric's sons in that case).



Also, Anora isn't a commoner. Her father was at one point, but she was born noble. And a high ranking one at that. There's little difference between Loghain's story and that of William Marshal as far as that goes and his descendents were never sneered at. Granted, William Marshal was the landless son of a traitor rather than the landless son of a freeholder, but its pretty much the same.

[Yorenec]

Could Mr. Gaider or Ms. Kirby please confirm or deny whether the "princess-consort" and "Queen Anora" and Alistar going off to the Grey Warden fortress even though he has kingly duties things in the ending are bugs/typos?

I don't even actually care if they are bugs(long as it doesn't somehow affect my save carrying over to DA2). I, and I'm sure many others, just want to know so that it stops bothering us.

Thanks.

Modifié par Yorenec, 19 novembre 2009 - 02:45 .

[krystalevenstar]

I second Yorenec! All of those things are really bugging me so I'd like to know some sort of resolution for them as well.

[Helen0rz]

i think....Bioware just didn't see this coming. They didn't think that we would get this attach to DA...AND Alistair

[Walina]

Malkut wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

And since I'm playing a mage, I'm curious--how exactly does one cheat to become queen if one isn't a human noble?

You don't.  You make a human noble into a mage: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/47/index/208430

 though about it but I prefered not to use this trick, cause dialog will remain for a noble woman.

[Malkut]

Walina wrote...

 though about it but I prefered not to use this trick, cause dialog will remain for a noble woman.

That is true.  Having that background is the only way to become Queen.

Maybe eventually someone will mod this, but I don't think it's even possible to significantly modify that main campaign, yet.

[Skydiver8888]

yah, i did everything right and got the princess consort/queen anora thing too...after everyone SAYS you're the queen.



Ah well, i chose to look past that particular part and replay the last conversations with my soon-to-be husband

[Red Viking]

Malkut wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

And since I'm playing a mage, I'm curious--how exactly does one cheat to become queen if one isn't a human noble?

You don't.  You make a human noble into a mage: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/47/index/208430

That and there is now a mod that allows you to become Queen without having to be a Human Noble:

http://www.dragonage.../file.php?id=74

Modifié par Red Viking, 20 novembre 2009 - 08:12 .

[Daedalus1773]

This guide is The Win.  Thank you!!!

[Tigrae]

Yorenec wrote...

Could Mr. Gaider or Ms. Kirby please confirm or deny whether the "princess-consort" and "Queen Anora" and Alistar going off to the Grey Warden fortress even though he has kingly duties things in the ending are bugs/typos?

I don't even actually care if they are bugs(long as it doesn't somehow affect my save carrying over to DA2). I, and I'm sure many others, just want to know so that it stops bothering us.

Thanks.

I came here to see if anyone else had answers to this problem. Reading my ending credits, I was made "Princess-consort", but I also got some info about Anora being peeved that Alistair stayed in Denerim with his "love" and that he went off to Weisshaupt (or whatevs) to serve with the Grey Wardens and be with his love (which is me, which is married to him, which is ruling Ferelden with him...). I'm very confused about how my story ended.

I'm a Teyrna, I'm just as "royal" as Anora is. Why is she queen but I'm just a princess-consort? Is it because she didn't abdicate?

I'm confused

[Jayce]

sylkwyrm1 wrote...

...at least thats how it is and was here in modern times and in olden days, though before Elizabeth the first it was more common place for the husband of a regal wife to actually become king(-consort) simply because woman were not accepted to rule, but thats another story and seems to have no baring on ferelden stances

Not quite true.... Sorry for the longwinded post that follows, as it's sort of off topic but it gives an idea of how complex dynastic politics can be.

There aren't any hard fast rules to royal inheritance, as what rules are used are often based on the whim of the powerbloc governing at the time. There's even less reason to believe that these rules would apply to Ferelden, obviously!

The biggest stumbler in the real world is Salic Law, which disbars any maternal descendant, male or female, from inheriting the throne. Wether a country uses Salic Law or not has a massive impact on the way it's ruling dynasties play out. Here's a real world example...

In 1316, when Louis Capet, (Louis X) King of France, died with only an young daughter, for an heir (his son had died as a newborn), his brother Phillip argued that under Salic Law, he was the better candidate than his niece. Sure enough, he became king.  Unfortunately, he died heirless and so his younger brother, Charles, also argued that the crown should pass to him rather than his niece. Ironically he also died with only an infant daughter to his name. So Salic Law wise, the Capetians were extinct...

But there was a fourth sibling; Princess Isabelle. She had married Edward Plantagenet who was King Edward II of England and they'd had a son; Edward....

Now we need to go back in time two centuries to, 1130. The Plantagenet's had started out as the Dukes of Anjou in France and had become the ruling dynasty in England when Geoffroi Plantagenet had married Queen Maud, the last living descendant of William the Conqueror. Their son, Henry went on to become Henry II of England and founded the Plantagenet dynasty, but as their claim came through a woman, England never recognised Salic Law....

...Back to Edward III. As a guy whose inheritance of the English throne was via ancient marternal lineage. He refused to recognise his disbarment from the throne of France, as he was the male descendant of King Phillipe IV.  The former Capetian supporters (long rivals of the Plantagenets) had other ideas and placed the Valois dynasty on the throne.

Edward wasn't about to take this lying down. He quartered the three red and gold lions of the Plantagenets with the blue and silver Fleur-de-Lis of the Capetians and invaded France.

Cue the start of the 100 years War.

[apantoliani]

Tigrae wrote...

I came here to see if anyone else had answers to this problem. Reading my ending credits, I was made "Princess-consort", but I also got some info about Anora being peeved that Alistair stayed in Denerim with his "love" and that he went off to Weisshaupt (or whatevs) to serve with the Grey Wardens and be with his love (which is me, which is married to him, which is ruling Ferelden with him...). I'm very confused about how my story ended.

I'm a Teyrna, I'm just as "royal" as Anora is. Why is she queen but I'm just a princess-consort? Is it because she didn't abdicate?

I'm confused

Because Anora was Queen and while she is no longer ruling, she still holds the title as she hasn't abdicated to Alistair, he just put her in a tower to deal with later. Knowing him, she stays in the tower for quite a bit and he probably never really gets around to dealing with that situation so the FemPC gets to run around as Princess-Consort. Oh, and as a female Noble, being a Teyrn(a) never passes to you because it goes from your Father, to Howe to your Brother. Not that it would matter, you and Anora are both daughters of a Teyrn, Cousland having a leg-up having been noble for a much longer period of time.

That's my theory off of what I've heard, but it doesn't make sense because if you are a MalePC and marry Anora, I think you end up the prince-consort?

I tried.

[Vampyra666]

Tamyn wrote...

Jesira wrote...

I still hate the fact he has to sleep with the creepy girl <_<

And we have to watch! I was mad that he had a smile on his face in that scene. <_<

Bioware are sadists....  I suffered through this scene.. However, i dont think Alistair enjoyed it.. his expression seemed kinda terrified to me, not happy.. don't know..

Helen0rz wrote...

i think....Bioware just didn't see this coming. They didn't think that we would get this attach to DA...AND Alistair

Heheeh, I agree! They didnt see that coming! They should better make a decent expansion/sequel now OR ELSE!! 

And yeah, i got the same "princess consort" ending as well. I dont think it's a bug. It's what the posters above me comment. Which isss bleeh, but at least i get to stay with Alistair and he sounds happy to rule with me by his side instead of alone. 

Modifié par Vampyra666, 27 novembre 2009 - 02:15 .

[Loki330]

Dragon Age presumably follows real conventions. In england anyway, whoever marries the current king/queen becomes the consort. In england for example the 'king' (Phillip) is the Prince Consort because he married Elizabeth, the heiress to the throne. This is despite the fact that technically Phillip comes from a more distinguished background. Apparently he's been known to yell 'I'm more royal than you!' at his wife during arguments.

Modifié par Loki330, 27 novembre 2009 - 02:11 .

[Anton de Staen]

Loki330 wrote...

Dragon Age presumably follows real conventions. In england anyway, whoever marries the current king/queen becomes the consort. In england for example the 'king' (Phillip) is the Prince Consort because he married Elizabeth, the heiress to the throne. This is despite the fact that technically Phillip comes from a more distinguished background. Apparently he's been known to yell 'I'm more royal than you!' at his wife during arguments.

.. Then why is there a Queen Anora?

[Loki330]

Anton de Staen wrote...

Loki330 wrote...

Dragon Age presumably follows real conventions. In england anyway, whoever marries the current king/queen becomes the consort. In england for example the 'king' (Phillip) is the Prince Consort because he married Elizabeth, the heiress to the throne. This is despite the fact that technically Phillip comes from a more distinguished background. Apparently he's been known to yell 'I'm more royal than you!' at his wife during arguments.

.. Then why is there a Queen Anora?

(shrugs) The king is dead. As I said, Prince phillip is technically King, iirc, but since it implys he's the ruler, he goes with Prince-consort as his official title. I think. Honestly, I don't really care about the semantics of my royal family's titles.

[Yorenec]

In all likelihood it's just a bug. If it were an isolated incident then I'd go with being intentional, but there are other endings that are screwed up, even ones that have nothing to do with becoming queen/king or Alistair marrying Anora.

[Rivie]

I've been wondering about the god-child too.. I mean, all accounts report the Old Gods becoming "tainted" by the darkspawn and, "driven mad by pain and darkness" leading them to attack the general populace. So it is very possible that they were rational, peaceful beings before being tainted. Or not. But it is possible, at least.

Re: Being Queen.... Does what you say after you complete the Redcliffe events effect all of this any? I don't see it mentioned on the guide, but you can state up front if you think Alistair'd make a good king or not at that point. I'm wondering because I'm trying to figure out where to plant my first save point. I have one there already just in case, though.

[Tatooine92]

Tamyn wrote...

Jesira wrote...

I still hate the fact he has to sleep with the creepy girl <_<

And we have to watch! I was mad that he had a smile on his face in that scene. <_<

I didn't watch.  I got p****d off and left the room.  Well, not literally, but I took off my headphones, turned away from the computer, and buried my head under my pillow.
And I heard he looked terrified, not happy.  Still.  My character is going to MURDER Morrigan.  She's out scouring Ferelden for the witch right now, and I didn't stop her from going.