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[Knight Templar_]

I really like how they are so willing to engage with us, makes them more human, and less robotic things that churn out games every few years and months.

If they are willing to talk to us then care about us. As a group anyway, I imagine individuals we matter very little.

[Fiery Phoenix]

silentassassin264 wrote...

To be fair, Patrick Weekes was always posting on the forums during ME2's buildup. They just disappeared after the game was released.

Which is why I wouldn't be surprised if they returned after the official announcement of ME3. At least I hope so.

[Dave of Canada]

Honestly, if I was in a position similar to the ME2/DA2 team myself, I wouldn't even consider going on the forums. The forums are probably one of the most hostile places to do anything "official". Anything you say will be ripped apart, people will make false conclusions out of what you say and scold anybody who disagrees with their opinions or viewpoint. Some newbie might come in, enjoyed the game greatly and played it a dozen times, to share his affection of the game and then he's ripped apart because his opinion is WRONG. Let's not forget the hyperbole where people go around and say "MASS EFFECT 2 WAS THE WORST GAME EVER!" and such.

I'm just glad that the team have enough patience to deal with the community and reveal new and interesting information, answering our lore related questions and such. To those who stomp their feet and yell at them for not answering to their yells, stop acting like you're entitled to their posts. Stomp your feet loud enough and you'll scare even the most devout forum posting Bioware staff.


Edit: Rereading that, it's a little hostile but I'm too tired to try and trim it out. I fear the post would lose coherence.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 20 septembre 2010 - 06:45 .

[Sanzee]

AMEN DAVE OF CANADA. YOU'RE JUST AS COOL AS THAT GAIDER GUY.

[Merced256]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Honestly, if I was in a position similar to the ME2/DA2 team myself, I wouldn't even consider going on the forums. The forums are probably one of the most hostile places to do anything "official". Anything you say will be ripped apart, people will make false conclusions out of what you say and scold anybody who disagrees with their opinions or viewpoint. Some newbie might come in, enjoyed the game greatly and played it a dozen times, to share his affection of the game and then he's ripped apart because his opinion is WRONG. Let's not forget the hyperbole where people go around and say "MASS EFFECT 2 WAS THE WORST GAME EVER!" and such.

I'm just glad that the team have enough patience to deal with the community and reveal new and interesting information, answering our lore related questions and such. To those who stomp their feet and yell at them for not answering to their yells, stop acting like you're entitled to their posts. Stomp your feet loud enough and you'll scare even the most devout forum posting Bioware staff.

whoa that you Tseric?

[Dave of Canada]

Merced256 wrote...

whoa that you Tseric?

No, I'm not him. Although I did support him though when the Shamans were starting to threaten his life and call him a waste of human life, further proving my point.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 20 septembre 2010 - 06:44 .

[What?]

I'm basically riding the rails of what everyone else said: were I a developer, I wouldn't want to post here either. From what I've seen cruising incognito 'round the boards, there's a lot--and I'm talkin' astronomical proportions--of rage and butthurt. And the dev can be as polite and patient as can be, and that ragin' fan will find something--an inkling of something--in their words to shred apart like some rabid junkyard dog. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't sorta situation. You talk to the fans, you get steamrolled by the rage; try to defend your choices and explain, and, yeah, you get steamrolled again. It wears. And have you seen the ME forums? Nothin' but malcontent and crazy. You got the Talimancers. Got the ME2 haters. Got the creepy ME fans who've played through every nook and cranny of the game and memorized all the devs names, and what parts they wrote or contributed to. You get it, I'm sure.

I, for one, am glad for the little bits and pieces the devs contribute to the forums. For the time they give to tell us about their games. It's real nice, and shows they do pay attention to their fanbase despite all the heat they get. Keep up the great work, devfolk, and don't let the naysayers rip ya down.





Also, for the record: I loved ME2. But it was Lair of the Shadow Broker that made me want to commit.

Modifié par VictorianTrash, 20 septembre 2010 - 09:14 .

[NoAngel89]

David Gaider wrote...

Krytheos wrote...
But in all seriousness, I would like the ME writers to just discuss things with us more. Lore things and all that? Yeah, the ME forums don't get that sometimes as good or as extensively as the DA: forums do on a fairly decently regular basis.

In all seriousness, us developer folk have varying tolerances for the forums. Some just like to watch but are hesitant to interact, some are just too busy, some are wary about what it's "safe" to talk about and so err on the side of caution... and some think it's crazy-making like having five loud people piled into the back seat of your car with each one shouting different directions while simultaneously criticizing your driving. And then a sixth calls you on your cellphone just to troll you.

It's all completely voluntary on our part whether we come here and interact or not-- all of us on DA2 who do it do so on our own time (and recognizance). If there's more of us who do it it's probably because we talk about it more among ourselves. It's just a project culture thing, I think (which is totally a real thing, believe it or not), and I would never think of suggesting to them that they should dive into the Crazy Pool more often... any more than I'd want them to suggest we should dive into it less.

Which, quite frankly, is the far more sensible course of action.

lol I love this guy, especially when he curls my arm to the back of my head, and makes me cough blood, while forcing me to eat my own poop, I mean words XD. cough cough, still have a bad taste in my mouth lol:sick:. And those are on his good days. Still a great writter, and apericate you taking the time to hear what we have to say, another reason we like the game, and thank you for what you do, though I do wish we you could ease little on the "make fans feel like sh$%t part". that leaves..... idk alot of strange emotions......  :innocent:

Modifié par NoAngel89, 20 septembre 2010 - 09:31 .

[Bobad]

Not much of a fight, Vigilence is good, but Thanix cannon is better.

[NKKKK]

If the fans are getting madder with each release of a game...um, maybe it's not the fans that are the problem.

[fchopin]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Let's not forget the hyperbole where people go around and say "MASS EFFECT 2 WAS THE WORST GAME EVER!" and such.

The game was not the worst game ever made but a mediocre game.
 
The story was very amateurish and had no class compared to the first game.
If the writers from ME2 want to hide it’s up to them, but i will not be tricked again in to buying a game like i was with ME2.

[mmmu]

Some "fans" often behave very disrespectfully and I am not the least bit surprised if only a few writers have the courage and nerve to actively take part in the community. As Gaider pointed out it's their free time and I for one know I wouldn't want to waste my time reading insults etcetera in search of a one out of ten constructive feedback/criticism discussion. Sure, I miss ME writing folk on the forums but that doesn't mean I don't completely respect their choice of not being around - atleast posting.



I do really appreciate the fact that some of the DA writing team takes part in the discussion on these forums, it provides great insight on things one would not know otherwise, but I don't believe it's our place to judge them for being or not being here.

[kaiki01]

I will always be thankful for David Gaider giving me my sig =D "Okay, I know it's just me but when I first read this I thought it said "freedom over tranny" and did a double-take."

[Beerfish]

NoAngel89 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Krytheos wrote...
But in all seriousness, I would like the ME writers to just discuss things with us more. Lore things and all that? Yeah, the ME forums don't get that sometimes as good or as extensively as the DA: forums do on a fairly decently regular basis.

In all seriousness, us developer folk have varying tolerances for the forums. Some just like to watch but are hesitant to interact, some are just too busy, some are wary about what it's "safe" to talk about and so err on the side of caution... and some think it's crazy-making like having five loud people piled into the back seat of your car with each one shouting different directions while simultaneously criticizing your driving. And then a sixth calls you on your cellphone just to troll you.

It's all completely voluntary on our part whether we come here and interact or not-- all of us on DA2 who do it do so on our own time (and recognizance). If there's more of us who do it it's probably because we talk about it more among ourselves. It's just a project culture thing, I think (which is totally a real thing, believe it or not), and I would never think of suggesting to them that they should dive into the Crazy Pool more often... any more than I'd want them to suggest we should dive into it less.

Which, quite frankly, is the far more sensible course of action.

lol I love this guy, especially when he curls my arm to the back of my head, and makes me cough blood, while forcing me to eat my own poop, I mean words XD. cough cough, still have a bad taste in my mouth lol:sick:. And those are on his good days. Still a great writter, and apericate you taking the time to hear what we have to say, another reason we like the game, and thank you for what you do, though I do wish we you could ease little on the "make fans feel like sh$%t part". that leaves..... idk alot of strange emotions......  :innocent:

I would say that he is pointing to a select number of fans on these sites.  BioWare for the most part is willing to discuss many things even strong criticism if it is presented in a logical and mostly friendly way.  The people that rant and froth or make posts with very little logic behind them are the type Mr. Gaider is talking about.  Goodness knows there is a great volume of that kind of stuff.

[Beerfish]

fchopin wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Let's not forget the hyperbole where people go around and say "MASS EFFECT 2 WAS THE WORST GAME EVER!" and such.

The game was not the worst game ever made but a mediocre game.
 
The story was very amateurish and had no class compared to the first game.
If the writers from ME2 want to hide it’s up to them, but i will not be tricked again in to buying a game like i was with ME2.

ME2 was excellent overall. a very fun game with some great companions.  The story was pretty good other than the very beginning part (how they got Shepherd back into the game.)  The game was certainly not perfect but it was on par at least with the 1st one in my mind.

[PsyrenY]

NKKKK wrote...

If the fans are getting madder with each release of a game...um, maybe it's not the fans that are the problem.

They seem to be getting happier to me.

[Dave of Canada]

NKKKK wrote...

If the fans are getting madder with each release of a game...um, maybe it's not the fans that are the problem.

Only on these forums and they are a small vocal group. Anybody who shows being amused or pleased with the product is teared down and ripped apart by the rabid angry fan.

[ankuu]

Dave of Canada wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

If the fans are getting madder with each release of a game...um, maybe it's not the fans that are the problem.

Only on these forums and they are a small vocal group. Anybody who shows being amused or pleased with the product is teared down and ripped apart by the rabid angry fan...

...that has nothing better to do

[fchopin]

Dave of Canada wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

If the fans are getting madder with each release of a game...um, maybe it's not the fans that are the problem.

Only on these forums and they are a small vocal group. Anybody who shows being amused or pleased with the product is teared down and ripped apart by the rabid angry fan.

I think it’s the opposite of what you say, if people complain about some features they get attacked constantly.

[David Gaider]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Only on these forums and they are a small vocal group. Anybody who shows being amused or pleased with the product is teared down and ripped apart by the rabid angry fan.

To be honest, my impression is that you'll get a bit of that on both sides. The very negative fans are particularly vicious, but you'll also get a bit of a gangpile by fans every time someone expresses a negative opinion that isn't widely shared by others-- politely expressed or not.

The strange thing about the forums is that there appears to be a bit of a panic when anyone expresses an opinion that others don't like, as if BioWare will be unable to distinguish it from the truth or otherwise weigh its merits on our own unless that opinion is immediately and vociferously discounted. Truth is, our critical evaluation skills aren't as bad as you might think-- we tend to know when an opinion is widely held or (more commonly) just the same five people driving up the post count, and even when it is widely held we still have to weigh it against the fact that such opinions come without a knowledge of the issues we face internally. There really is no need for the panic, and sometimes it's a bit disheartening to watch when it ensues.

Modifié par David Gaider, 20 septembre 2010 - 03:37 .

[ErichHartmann]

I have a problem with both extremes. Rabid fans who don't see issues with a game and haters who still post here. More so with the latter. If you really don't like a game, then don't waste your time posting about it.

[Dave of Canada]

David Gaider wrote...

There really is no need for the panic, and sometimes it's a bit disheartening to watch when it ensues.

GAIDER IS TELLING US TO NOT PANIC.

PANIC NOW.

[packardbell]

I remember Patrick posting a lot in the old forums but he suddenly stopped when he revealed DA2 was in development.

[cinderburster]

I don't really understand the fans that get so upset about changes. I mean, I was disappointed when my favorite character didn't get so much as a cameo in Awakening or the more recent DLC, but I didn't come to these forums and spew bile at the developers. Maybe it's having a relative in the gaming industry and getting to hear from him just how difficult and constraining it can be to keep things within budget and still produce something enjoyable to play? Do people just forget that video games cost money and time to create?

I think that Bioware has a lot of fantastic writers, artists, and programmers working for them, and these people should get the credit they deserve.

If you're going to put unrealistic expectations on them, go out and make your own damn game.

EDIT: all "you"s are general, of course.  I'm not pointing this at anyone in particular, just voicing an opinion.

Modifié par cinderburster, 20 septembre 2010 - 04:10 .